No Sales but why???

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Hello all,

I have set a new pet shop this went live on the 9th June 2008 but to this day I have no online sales and im not sure why!!! I am using a few promotional tools such as google adwords and bt tradespace with no avail. I am generating 30 visits a day but no purchases. I was wondering if anyone could give me frank honest critism about why this could be

Hi Rebecca,

Your shop breaks some very important useability rules such as;

1. Using frames, this is an outdated means of creating a website and as you'll notice, its resulted in a horizontal scroll bar at the bottom which really puts people off.

2. Your actual shop looks completely different to your landing page?

3. Your shop is very very slow to navigate around, I could just about manage looking at 3 products before my 'Internet Shopper' head kicked in and I went elsewhere.

4. There are several inconsistencies in your font (text types).


All this is a shame because your products look excellent and they are the most important aspect of any shop.

I think with some thoughtful re-working of your shop and perhaps finding a better host so your shop works much quicker, you've got the basics of a very good business there.

Its important to be realistic with a new online shop. We host over 250 of them and although some hit the ground running, some can take a while to establish themselves.

We've an article on how to sell more with your own online shop which has some ideas of increasing visibility and hopefully orders, but you need to address the on-site useability issues as a priority.
 
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Agree with the comments from the others. That first impression is all important. I went through dozens of changes to our toy site after annoying the life out of everyone on here :)
It takes a while and a lot of experimenting to get it right. It also needs to be easy to navigate and for you to find products without trawling through loads of menus etc.
 
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Oh Dear, I have just taken a look and it appears your shopping cartis 100% non search engine friendly. (sorry I didn't look previously, inwas only looking at pretiness)

The storepro software you are using is all based on a single page (or at a glance it was), running entirely on javascript. Search engines can't spider javascript, so your store doesn't exist :(

I am REALLY sory to be the one to have to break this news to you.

Also I did make an offer earlier of some free help, but you either missed it, or chose to ignore it :(
 
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rebecca-edwards

ahh sorry I did get you offer of help but i dont know you use things like that i'm struggling with zencart at the moment. Im feel so lost right been going right and have been told need left.

Oh Dear, I have just taken a look and it appears your shopping cartis 100% non search engine friendly. (sorry I didn't look previously, inwas only looking at pretiness)

The storepro software you are using is all based on a single page (or at a glance it was), running entirely on javascript. Search engines can't spider javascript, so your store doesn't exist :(

I am REALLY sory to be the one to have to break this news to you.

Also I did make an offer earlier of some free help, but you either missed it, or chose to ignore it :(
 
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lol i do you like your small animals then!!

I certainly do!

I got there in the end but I had a lot of problems with the shopping cart - I had to click add to basket several times and things kept disappearing.

The bit about do I live in the UK (with "no" as the default) was strange but I went past that bit and was pleasantly surprised that the paypal part went very smoothly.

There was no option for delivery to a different address though but I added that as a note.

I really like the products which I have not see elsewhere which is why I persevered!

If you want comments on the rest of the process up to delivery let me know.
 
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Its such a shame cos I have worked so hard to get suppliers of original products and some must haves too. The products are a passion of mine its so a bit uplifting that its not the products but the whole shopping cart needs to be changed. Whole revamp is needed
 
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Rebecca,
Bite the bullet. The website is not a natural born flier. Put it out of it's misery. The Old Welsh Gut, (oops, bad typo), sorry OWG, Old Welsh Guy, has offered help and seems to know bunches; that will improve things amazingly. Also, look at post #41 from quickshop: a fast way of getting up and going at a low cost, the renta site option. There are people on this board who use him who have great, successful shops.
You are not going to get anywhere fast enough changing things on your own. Use your expertise and passion to source and sell the goods, and accept help on the bits you are struggling with.
Good luck.
 
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rebecca-edwards

Just had a look at your website. Do supply wholesale to online pet store or just retail outlets?

Rebecca,
Bite the bullet. The website is not a natural born flier. Put it out of it's misery. The Old Welsh Gut, (oops, bad typo), sorry OWG, Old Welsh Guy, has offered help and seems to know bunches; that will improve things amazingly. Also, look at post #41 from quickshop: a fast way of getting up and going at a low cost, the renta site option. There are people on this board who use him who have great, successful shops.
You are not going to get anywhere fast enough changing things on your own. Use your expertise and passion to source and sell the goods, and accept help on the bits you are struggling with.
Good luck.
 
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Hi Rebecca, all you need to do is ask yourself how you like to shop online? How quickly do you like to find products / How many clicks away are you to ordering and what attracts you to buy from a site? They are simple question but one's we often over look when building our own sites. The answers are in front of your eyes.

Always go for simplicity. If you are an online shop... be one. Don't be a corporate site that happens to have a shop online facility. Target it to your customers. Cuddly like their pets. Show you care, offer advice for pet owners. Add value to your site.

Above all be competitive! Imagine going into 10 pet shops to find the best price... it would take you all day... internet surfers can do it in 10 mins.

Good luck.
 
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====> No1 Position On Google's First Page<====

Yes, I agree, it's your website!

I know I have 1 one website on page 1 of Google and another site that's in No 1 position on Googles First Page. All without paying for Adwords!

I tried Adwords and it cost me around £200 per month for around a 40% return, I no longer need Adwords, I'm on Googles First Page and the traffic generates sales beyond most peoples expectations, I sell to my clients time and time again, if you want to know how - PM me.

You need to get some serious SEO (Search Engine Optimisation) advice, this is what seperates a part time and a full time online business - contact me and I'll be glad to help.
 
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simon-at-shopfitter

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Hi Rebecca,

Apart from the look and feel letting your site down there are fundamental problems with it for ongoing indexing by the search engines. This means that it's unlikely you'll ever get decent ranking and therefore very few buying visitors.

As has been mentioned in another reply you need to have relevant title tags on EVERY product and category page.

That begs the question 'what is relevant?' This is easy to answer, it s a search term that someone will type into Google to find what you have on offer; a good example I can give you is from one of my customers' website. He's a landscape gardener and he wants to get contracts from businesses in Oxford. he knows the property managers will use the term 'grounds maintenance' rather than 'hedge trimming' or 'grass cutting' because he's researched his market place.

Also, because there's a locality involved his main search term is 'grounds maintenance oxford'. His website comes up number one on page one of a Google search.

We've worked with this client and teased out of him what his objectives for the website are and then come up with relevant search terms and then added them to his website.

We do this with most of our clients both webshops and brochure sites because the only really important metric with a business website is a sale, anything else is just vanity.

Search Engine Optimisation is a mix of technical and people based things so there's no one solution.

You may be interested in a post I put on one of my blogs which describes how marketing applies online, there are a load of other things you may find useful on the site too www(dot)shopfitter(dot)com/blog/2008/02/simons-first-rule-of-business.html.

Sorry for the non working link, I haven't posted enough here for it to be a allowed yet.

Good luck

Simon
 
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I have been using ebay as well and do not find this works well for me I am selling pet supplies which doesn't market well on ebay but thanks

The alarm bells should be ringing.

The product doesn't sell on eBay - WHY???? You have carried out valuable market research. If it doesn't sell on eBay (the world's biggest online marketplace) why will it sell on a small independent website?

Regards
 
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"nothing to do with locality"

Hi Geester,

I assume you're referring to my example of our client in Oxford. That was just an example of what was relevant to his business, he doesn't want people from Caithness ringing him up all day because it would waste his time.

We're both in agreement that SEO is the best and most cost effective form of web marketing, but you have to understand your marketplace to come up with the right strategy for your own business.

:)

Simon

BTW, no longer at Nochex
 
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Hi Rebecca,

I've experienced the same basic problem that you describe in the past. It's not exactly uncommon to have a site and either few visitors, or visitors not pressing the vital button.

The whole e-commerce business takes some workign out before we get it right, and there are many elements to take into consideration, not least offsetting the cost of buying traffic against potential profits, and finding ways to secure free organic traffic.

I paid to buy a book on this very subject (which is now free to download!) and would be happy to send you the link if you want to email me timattal-commercial-mortgages.com

Best of luck
Tim
 
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Ignoring the SEO sales pitches, there are some good hints in this thread.

I strongly recommended using Google Analytics - it is free and provides valuable information about your site visitors. Although there are other similar services that might be more simple to use.

The important thing is to find out how many people are visiting your site each day, and from where. You might find that a lot of the visitors come to nothing because they are on the wrong site. We discovered a lot of visitors to our site came through a link in a directory by a similarly named firm which had somehow been set-up to point to our site by mistake - since they were very different products, these visitors just left straight away - but it made our conversion rate seem very low.

Have you considered advertising in pet owner magazines (I presume there are some). Even a small ad in the classified pages will get some attention and in your case might get more attention than SEO or PPC advertising since people might not even realise that this stuff is available online.
 
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Hi,

Its true that there are many good books on the subject, but "Make My Site Sell", and the other books listed below are really useful for anyone involved, or getting involved in e-commerce.

They were written by Dr Ken Evoy who has to be one of the most knowledgable experts on this subject matter.

If you'd like the link to them drop me an email (I havent posted enough responses to include the link, sorry, i must post more often!)

Make Your Site SELL!
"The definitive work on making ANY Web site SELL!"

Make Your Price Sell!, The Masters Course
How to price with complete confidence & double your Net profits.

Local Business Masters Course
How to become a Webmaster that produces RESULTS for local small businesses. Build the SBI! buzz... in your own neighborhood!

Netwriting Masters Course
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Service Sellers Masters Course
How to attract new clients from around the world...
Or from around the block.


Affiliate Masters Course
How to become a high-earning affiliate champion.

There are others available too if you are looking at a specific niche like property etc..

I genuinely hope the info helps someone here, it did me!

Cheers
Tim
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Simply putting a pet web site up on the Internet doesn't mean you'll get anyone visiting it.

To improve it's position on the Google search pages I'd start writing a blog.

However, surely the people who would benefit from this web site are the pet owners from the South East? Why not do some interesting pieces of PR for newspaper and radio that helps the owners with something like a report on "better dog grooming", or "the care of hamsters" or "keeping cats in at night" so that they know your site - referenced in the report.

Give a special (magnetic card so it goes on the fridge) card with the web site URL on and a reason for people to buy from it to your pet and food customers. Maybe a special discount using a code on the card...

The things you can do to encourage people to use the site are endless.

Just don't think it's easy to get people to find it by searching on Google, it's not.:)
 
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Oh dear Lord WHY WILL YOU NOT STOP THEM RECCOMMENDING SEO?

For those of you who are proposing Rebbecca gets SEO help, moreover YTOUR seo help! Would you care to explain how you will SEO a shopping cart that is built entirely on javascript, where the URL never changes, as the content is delivered from within the javascript?

tell me how you can optimise a site that the search engines can not crawl, because someone correct me here, but the absolute first essential of SEO is that the content be crawlable (unless you intend bombing your way to the top with brute force of links !)

I made the post below on page 3 or 4 of this thread.

Sorry to be aggr3esssive, but you REALLY are not helping the OP by recommending SEo, SEO books, Websites, your services, because it will not work.

Use a text browser such as Lynx to examine your site, because most search engine spiders see your site much as Lynx would. If fancy features such as JavaScript, cookies, session IDs, frames, DHTML, or Flash keep you from seeing all of your site in a text browser, then search engine spiders may have trouble crawling your site.
The above is taken from te Google webmaster technical guidelines.

Oh Dear, I have just taken a look and it appears your shopping cartis 100% non search engine friendly. (sorry I didn't look previously, inwas only looking at prettiness)

The storepro software you are using is all based on a single page (or at a glance it was), running entirely on javascript. Search engines can't spider javascript, so your store doesn't exist :(

I am REALLY sory to be the one to have to break this news to you.

Also I did make an offer earlier of some free help, but you either missed it, or chose to ignore it :(


take a look at this rendition of a page in a text browser.
http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.cgi?url=http://petharmony.co.uk/cgi-bin/online/storepro.php

ALL the links are javascript links. The spiders can not follow them.

Rebecca, I really am not trying to make you feel bad here, but you are flogging a dead horse with this shopping cart.

I have made 2 FREE offers of help to you, including a free offer to help you with zen cart!

I am out of this thread now because I am spending time here that could be spent helping someone else.

Good luck with your store, hopefully it will be a success. :)
 
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OldWelshGuy,

You have to think outside the box. I own two online stores. I prefer to build a website first which serves the content and product info. One per page. This allows me to have full control over the SEO, and optimize the pages fully, including deep linking to these pages. From each product page, I then have a proceed to store button, which has the nofollow tag to. This means I have a website AND a store. A hand built website WILL always be more SEO friendly than any ecommerce store in my opinion.

I get daily sales from both my stores, so this works for me, and I don't run any PPC campaigns. All free, targeted organic searches.

Andy
 
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Hi Rebecca.
Your mind must be a whirlwind of info!
I started up an internet business in 2005 and only just now am I reaching the first pages of the internet search engines.
After quite a few mistakes along the way (we all have to make them) and a bit of money wasted, I feel that i'm finally getting somewhere.
All I can say is that it takes time and there is definately no quick fix. I had to do all the usual stuff like increase my oneway links, design a different website etc etc, and luckily i had a few good people help me along the way (free).
The only way I pulled through was to reduce totally my bottom line, invest time in my SEO - and not SEO companies, but doing most of it myself and marketing my website to the hilt! I have actually found that alot of my business comes through direct marketing rather than finding me on the internet and i'm currently getting 2500 hits per day, and generating around 15 enquiries (not bookings) per day! Are you just relying solely on the internet enquiries for orders, or do you do other marketing?
 
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OldWelshGuy,

You have to think outside the box. I own two online stores. I prefer to build a website first which serves the content and product info. One per page. This allows me to have full control over the SEO, and optimize the pages fully, including deep linking to these pages. From each product page, I then have a proceed to store button, which has the nofollow tag to. This means I have a website AND a store. A hand built website WILL always be more SEO friendly than any ecommerce store in my opinion.

I get daily sales from both my stores, so this works for me, and I don't run any PPC campaigns. All free, targeted organic searches.

Andy

Any, with respect, THAt is not the model she is using. I am fully aware of how to bait and switch, and appreciate you advising me to 'think outside of the box' ;) I was thinking outside of the SEO box before SEo was invented, hell before GOOGLE was invented.

her store is dead as a dodo as far as seo is concerned, she has on link to the store.

I agree with what you are saying though, but not in this particular instance. :(
 
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After reading my last couple of posts I appear to be being aggressive. Apologies for that.

let me try and make my point with less words :)

The current shopping cart is not spiderable. so there are two options:-

1. Create pages for each product and optimise each product, then use that to drive traffic to the product page on the shopping cart.

2. Move to zen cart or similar!

To me it is a no-brainer. My reasons for getting a bit hot under the collar is that many have offered SEo help when it is obvious that they have not run through the thread to see what had been posted, and not looked at the cart to see if it is even POSSIBLE to SEO it. :(
 
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rebecca-edwards

In reply to quite a few of aggressive posts i feel that you are attacking me and people posting which really isn't wanted to be honset. To answer your question on seo these people contacting me are talking for the future when I sort it out. As it stands I do not require your help any longer as I have sorted out an eshop that should be ready in next week but I thank you very much for your offers of help. Also I would like to say i did send u pm thought it was quite odd didnt reply dont know what happened there I appreciate your fustration but please stop attacking people
After reading my last couple of posts I appear to be being aggressive. Apologies for that.

let me try and make my point with less words :)

The current shopping cart is not spiderable. so there are two options:-

1. Create pages for each product and optimise each product, then use that to drive traffic to the product page on the shopping cart.

2. Move to zen cart or similar!

To me it is a no-brainer. My reasons for getting a bit hot under the collar is that many have offered SEo help when it is obvious that they have not run through the thread to see what had been posted, and not looked at the cart to see if it is even POSSIBLE to SEO it. :(
 
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Hi Rebecca,

You have visitors to your website , but nobody buys yet. Then,You may want to try ading Live chat / customer service / sales support on your website. It means 10 seconds after somebody opens your website, a pop in window appaers , and operatot greets your visitor (24/7) . asking if they may have any question , or how they can help him or her . So, even when you are at sleep, the operator is working on your behalf to sell . My company which is web-secretary.com provides such a service . It is free for 2 weeks , as a free trial on your website , without any payment , and then , if you liked the feedback, it starts from only £39.95 a month. We charge only on monthly basis , and there is no annual contract . If interested , just vist my website , or give me a call at 07789254686.

Thanks
Farid

Hello all,

I have set a new pet shop this went live on the 9th June 2008 but to this day I have no online sales and im not sure why!!! I am using a few promotional tools such as google adwords and bt tradespace with no avail. I am generating 30 visits a day but no purchases. I was wondering if anyone could give me frank honest critism about why this could be
 
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