Nigeria Scam

[glass]

Been getting lots of orders from Nigeria recently, obviously scams, how do they work? If I said the item insured post, is there any problems.

 

[glass]

Sorry was meant to start new thread

 

[Jenni384]

Been getting lots of orders from Nigeria recently, obviously scams, how do they work? If I said the item insured post, is there any problems.

You're asking how to send the item and taken the money without getting scammed? :|
If you know it's a scam, steer clear, simple as!

 

[alanc]

Been getting lots of orders from Nigeria recently, obviously scams, how do they work?

Three little words: stolen card details.

 

[MASSEY]

But if they say the cards are stolen, i dont see how they would get there money back off purchaseing from you, surely its up to them to cover themselves for fraud, theres gotta be more to it than that,

 

[PewPew]

Usually what happens is;

Your item is on eBay.
The scammer buys the item.
You ship the item.
The scammer recieves the item.
The scammer tells PayPal they didn't recieve the item.
PayPal ignores all claims by you that you sent it (even if you send them tracking numbers).
The scammer reclaims the full amount.
The scammer sells your item on the black market.
You lose out.
The scammer builds weapons cache.
Terrorism grows.
Soliders in war-zones die.
Drugs are grown.
Teenagers buy the drugs.
Anti social behaviour takes over.
A rebellion forms, taking over Parliament.

Repeat the above several times and you have the end of the world.

Basically, my point is, selling to people who you know are scammers fuels terrorism and drugs. Just stay clear of them.

Thats how scamming via eBay works above by the way, and they do it on any website that accepts PayPal, so be careful.

 

[Mpg]

Have a look at

http://www.419eater.com/index.php

http://www.419legal.org/

 

[Jessies Little Angels]

Usually what happens is;

Your item is on eBay.
The scammer buys the item.
You ship the item.
The scammer recieves the item.
The scammer tells PayPal they didn't recieve the item.
PayPal ignores all claims by you that you sent it (even if you send them tracking numbers).
The scammer reclaims the full amount.
The scammer sells your item on the black market.
You lose out.
The scammer builds weapons cache.
Terrorism grows.
Soliders in war-zones die.
Drugs are grown.
Teenagers buy the drugs.
Anti social behaviour takes over.
A rebellion forms, taking over Parliament.

Repeat the above several times and you have the end of the world.

Basically, my point is, selling to people who you know are scammers fuels terrorism and drugs. Just stay clear of them.

Thats how scamming via eBay works above by the way, and they do it on any website that accepts PayPal, so be careful.

OK, Im gonna sound dumb now but your reply has got me thinking...my website accepts mainly only paypal...do you think this could be a reason why I get alot of traffic but not alot of conversions?

Thanks

Jessica

 

[PewPew]

If you only sell within the European Union, I wouldn't worry, theres enough laws in place to help you if a scammer did ever fraudently take your money.

When I said 'any' website, I meant it quite loosely, because they'll often stick to eBay or familar grounds, so I wouldn't worry if I were you.

A reason you might get alot of traffic, and not alot of conversions, may simply be because people don't trust PayPal - don't get me wrong, it's a great payment method but it's got a pretty bad reputation with some people, but some people prefer a range of payment methods (WorldPay, Protx, etc).

 

[PewPew]

May I ask, what do you think of Sagepay as I am considering implimenting this to my new website...my current one is s**t please excuse my course language but it is ever so frustrating working with someone that has nearly completely ruined my business! take a look if you wish www.jessieslittleangels.co.uk

Bestest regards

Jessica

Hi Jessica,

I've personally found SagePay to be alright, it offers another payment method (which is always good), and it's rates are reasonable.

I'll send you a PM now, you may find it of interest.

 

[MASSEY]

If you send the item, the item is insured so if you send it and they say they dont recieve it, pay pal are informed of this, then why do paypal pay the scammer? when there is proof it has been sent. And if pay pal do pay the scammer, you should then recieve your insurance of the courier for it being lost..? are you sure pew pew, fortunately i have never had a scammer on ebay.

Isn't that what should happen,,,,

 

[PewPew]

If you send the item, the item is insured so if you send it and they say they dont recieve it, pay pal are informed of this, then why do paypal pay the scammer? when there is proof it has been sent. And if pay pal do pay the scammer, you should then recieve your insurance of the courier for it being lost..? are you sure pew pew, fortunately i have never had a scammer on ebay.

Isn't that what should happen,,,,

Yes and no.

Usually the scammer will wait until the item has arrived before claiming they did not recieve it, thus making the courier believe your lying, and therefore, you won't get any compensation from the insurance. However, PayPal would refund the money that the scammer paid you - the scammers seem to have some sophisticated method of making PayPal believe them.

PayPal do often get informed of "missing items", and from my experience, and experience of those who I know, PayPal claim your tracking information is incorrect, even if it's not (I personally think their fraud department are too lazy to check it).

 

[MASSEY]

I Kno its a risky business, i sold lots of phones on ebay , all it would have took is for some one to say they had not recieved it and i could have lost a £200 item. Im gonna try and get some information on paypal about the scenarios you can not work out how they get away with saying the seller is lying Even though there is proof.

 

[PewPew]

I Kno its a risky business, i sold lots of phones on ebay , all it would have took is for some one to say they had not recieved it and i could have lost a £200 item. Im gonna try and get some information on paypal about the scenarios you can not work out how they get away with saying the seller is lying Even though there is proof.

I'm not saying the seller is lying, I'm saying PayPal is too lazy to investigate, and they'll take the easy option by refunding the money to the scammer and closing the fraud-enquiry.

Rarely happens though, but when it does, it's a pain in the backside.

 

[Hedgie]

You have Google Checkout on your site so why not ditch the Paypal altogether.

 

[First in Retail]

ditch both paypal and google chackout, they look very unprofessional, and give the impression that your doing it on the cheap.

Sagepay is pretty good, and cheap enough, they use 3rd man, secured by and 3d secure, once all that is done, the only way you can lose is if the scammer claims not to have had the goods, going through your credit card company with that compliaint is a lot harder than paypay !