Newsagents / CTN / Anyone ?

kevr6384

Free Member
Nov 2, 2007
45
0
Hi,

Just dropping a post in here as my partner has recently taken over an operational newsagents. The shop & above flat were purchased as an investment property but it seemed a shame to close a local shop when it was running and had staff employed.

The shop is running @ sales of around £175k - £190k p/a and we are looking into ways of expanding the sales and more importantly the margins !

The shop at present sells.

Cards & Stationery
Drinks (Soft)
Confectionary
Newspapers
Magazines
Cigarettes

It has 8 morning rounds no evening rounds and 6 Sunday rounds.

Are there any newsagents lurking on here who might be prepared to offer any friendly advice and suggestions ?

Thanks

Kevin
 

Philip Hoyle

Free Member
  • Apr 3, 2007
    2,247
    1,092
    Lancashire
    We had a family newsagents/CTN for over 20 years and I have acted as accountant for several in more recent years. The key to success is:-

    1. Exceptional Customer Service - in such a competitive market, you really have to do something special to keep the customers coming to you rather than buying their papers and the supermarket, especially given that newspaper reading is declining anyway. Never do anything to lose a customer - they're all valuable. Sack any paper boys/girls who are late, don't close gates, screw up the papers, get them wet, etc - don't give a news delivery customer any excuse to stop their papers - they are your lifeblood! Ensure service with a smile and help the customers.

    2. Don't limit yourself to the same boring magazines and papers that the supermarkets sell. Work closely with the wholesalers to make sure you have virtually anything you can get that is SOR. The vast majority of titles are not readily available, so get the shop known as somewhere to buy the unusual ones.

    3. If at all possible, get a lottery terminal, paypoint terminal (for phone and utility top ups), accept credit cards. Get a photocopier in the shop. Get a cash machine in the shop. Offer fax sending and receiving as a service. Offer a payphone. Do absolutely anything to give people a reason to come into your shop rather than go elsewhere.

    4. Seriously think about becoming an off licence - profits are small, outlay for stock and security is huge, but it brings in the punters who then tend to buy other things as well.

    5. Think about groceries. Whatever you do, don't just be boring and sell the same old stuff as garages. Get some refrigeration and do a good range of milks, yoghurts, cooked meats (packets etc), speciality pies (not like the garages), sandwiches, cheeses. Do fresh fruit and veg. Get a freezer and do frozen meals, frozen veg, etc. PLEASE do it propertly - you won't get anywhere selling a load of canned/processed rubbish, Ginsters or Park Farm Pies, McCoy crisps, bags of spuds, etc which is where a lot of people go wrong. Also make sure you get a good range of heavy stuff, washing powders, washing up liquid, bleach, etc. Don't go for cheap/value lines - get the usual well known names and sell at cost or a little above - you aren't doing this to make a profit, you're doing it to get the customers into your shop. Put in a microwave so that customers can heat up their own pies/pasties for lunch - or even better get a hot food box and get pies/pasties brought in newly cooked from the local bakers.

    6. Open even longer hours. Don't close at lunchtimes, don't take half day closing, open seven days, all day. People won't make the effort to come back if you were closed the last time they came.

    7. How about something completely different, any hobbies you have. One shop turned itself into a model railway shop, another became the areas main die-cast car seller. How about pet foods, hay/straw, heavy tins of dog food?

    What you need to do is get the customers in by enticing them with what they want, even if that means little profit for you. Once they are in, there's more chance of them buying the more profitable items such as news & mags, cards & stationery, soft drinks, etc. With the range you have, you are just another "me too" shop competing for the same customers as every other local CTN, concenience store and supermarket.

    What you need to do is forget the conventional idea of CTN's - they belong in a bye-gone age that won't return.
     
    • Like
    Reactions: kevr6384
    Upvote 0
    I completely agree with what Phillip posted. You need to extend your range as much as possible. What size is your store and is there any opportunity to expand?

    I was in the convenience store business for 10 years before selling up last year. We sold news and mags in all our stores. You will probably already have good footfall but you need to increase the amount they spend.

    The other thing to consider is maybe joining a buying group/symbol group. We were Nisa members and the buying groups can offer advantages to you in terms of cheaper prices and better range. They also deliver and do very good promotions which can allow you to compete with the multiples.

    I would also agree with Phillip about the off licence. It is a virtual must, it will bring in evening trade which you probably don't have much of at the moment.

    If you have any specifiic questions feel free to fire away.
     
    • Like
    Reactions: kevr6384
    Upvote 0

    kevr6384

    Free Member
    Nov 2, 2007
    45
    0
    Thanks for the replies:

    Some interesting points made:

    The shop is pretty much full as it is and we dont have much space for anything else.

    We have added a slush machine and will be putting an ice-cream freezer in in the next month or so as the town is a seasonal sea-side holiday resort.

    The shop is on a high street which has another newsagents on it and also has two co-op stores and a Threshers so the competition for off licence trade is high.

    We have applied for a paypoint terminal and will be installing a fax service but there is a stationers three doors up who we couldnt compete with on photocopying services. There are also three lottery terminals withing 250m !

    We open at present 7 days from 5.30am to 5pm with a half day wednesday, the town as a whole goes quiet on a Wed afternoon as most other shops shut, we have tracked sales over a 1 year period on wednesday afternoons at with staffing costs etc we can not make it pay at present.

    We have a problem at the minute with paper boys/girls - seems kids do not want to work these days ! I had to go on a waiting list for a year before i got a paperround when i was younger.

    What do you feel is a reasonable delivery fee to charge for customers and what is the average pay for the boys/girls doing the rounds ?

    Thanks Again

    Kev
     
    Upvote 0
    One heck of a good post from Phillip there, and nothing really to add.

    The only thing i would say is, if you are going down the Ice Cream route, and are at a Seaside location - ensure your ice cream is the best you can get.

    We have a little shop near us (well down the shore funy enough) and their Ice Cream is so good, people take trips there from a few neighbouring towns on a Sunday, just for the Ice Cream.

    We have Maud's over here, not sure what your equivalent is.
     
    Upvote 0
    What do you feel is a reasonable delivery fee to charge for customers and what is the average pay for the boys/girls doing the rounds ?

    £2 per week. You can only get away with this if you provide a EXCELLENT service. Paper before 8am (weekdays) and 8.30 (weekends).

    Out of interest - how much do you pay your paperboys/girls? May this be a reason non of the want to work?
     
    Upvote 0

    kevr6384

    Free Member
    Nov 2, 2007
    45
    0
    Our daily delivery charge is 8p so thats 56p per week. Something i feel definitly needs to be looked at !

    The paper boys/ girls get £1.50 per day Mon-Sat and the Sunday rounds are £3 + a cash bonus at the end of the week if they complete the rounds error free + a free bottle of pop or choccy bar when they want one.
     
    Upvote 0

    MikePage

    Free Member
    Jun 11, 2007
    158
    33
    Bristol
    A lot of very good info.

    Philip Hoyle : with your experience as an Acct & a CTN owner - what advice would you give on the till/scanner/software/accounts package set-up?
    Also - any tips on Stocktaking - ie using external service like the pub/club trade?

    Thanks

    Mike
     
    Upvote 0

    Philip Hoyle

    Free Member
  • Apr 3, 2007
    2,247
    1,092
    Lancashire
    Our daily delivery charge is 8p so thats 56p per week. Something i feel definitly needs to be looked at !

    Far too low, but difficult to change too quickly as you don't want to give any customers a reason to go elsewhere or just not bother at all. What do the other newsagents charge to deliver? If you don't know, phone up pretending you've just moved into the area and ask them.

    You are probably better doing something more flexible than a straight 8p per day. That is really penalising those who want a cheap/light paper, and subsidising the Sunday Times reader. How about a fixed percentage of the paper bill - say something like 10-20%, so those getting two papers a day, magazines delivered, locals, etc will pay more than someone who just gets the Sun daily.

    But as mentioned by another poster above, you really do have to offer excellent service - virtually error free, paper in excellent condition, on time, and make sure that if a customer does have to complain, you get straight out there to deliver the right one.

    Quality ice cream is an excellent idea - everyone does walls - get a local quality manufacturer - people pay more for better quality. Also, get a "soft" machine for ice cream so you can do your own 99's etc like ice cream vans do and a good range of sauces.

    Whatever you do, you are building a customer base over the long term - day trippers etc don't come every day, week or even month - you may never see them for another year, but they will remember you and seek you out if you've something special to offer.
     
    Upvote 0

    retailworld

    Free Member
    Jan 8, 2006
    147
    12
    Lots of good points already, but I'll try to add a couple more...

    1) While there isn't a great margin on magazines, they can be a great footfall driver - the comment about reserving specialised titles for a customer would help attract new business. Plus, you should pick up on add-on purchases (confy/drinks) when the customer picks up their mags.

    If you're a Smiths News Customer, then www.connect2u.co.uk is their web site, Menzies and Dawsons also have sites where you can view/amend orders, and review specialist titles.

    2) Make sure you've got the right mix of confy / drinks - look at your customers to help to decice if you are stocking the right ranges. Ask reps to help with planograms, or visit www.retailforum.co.uk for more suggestions.

    3) Local street or town maps? Try ranges from TheAA or Geographers A-Z - a quick Google search should yeild results. Or a town guide should as the one produced by Itchy (www.itchymedia.com I think) might also be useful.
     
    Upvote 0
    4. Seriously think about becoming an off licence - profits are small, outlay for stock and security is huge, but it brings in the punters who then tend to buy other things as well.

    with the price of a pint in your local constantly going up with energy price hikes and budget increases, more poeple are turning to drinking at home.

    And of cource the smoking ban

    Ive certainly seen that my local newsagent very busy with this, he sells wines and spirits and cans as a new venture when he purchased the place.

    cameras and proof of age stickers everywhere but he thinks its worth it.

    i suppose you have to ask yourself do poeple like a drink where you live not all places are the same.

    but if we have a good summer and poeple get the barbecues going you might just do well with it
     
    Upvote 0
    The paper boys/ girls get £1.50 per day Mon-Sat and the Sunday rounds are £3 + a cash bonus at the end of the week if they complete the rounds error free + a free bottle of pop or choccy bar when they want one.

    OK - So that's £12 per week for the little bliters to get up early, 7 days a week.

    To put this into perspective our local shop pays £35 per week. For that customers get early, reliable service. Put it this way - would you get up early for 7 days a week for £12?

    News rounds really are your bread and butter. 8p delivery charge per day is mad!

    Also - get rid of free choc & drinks and just pay them a decent wage. It makes it fair & equal.
     
    Upvote 0

    KidsBeeHappy

    Free Member
    Oct 9, 2007
    7,371
    1,573
    Sunny Troon
    Look very carefully at what you stock, and make a list of all the items you sell one of a week or a fortnight. There will be a lot more than you anticipate. The 80/20 rule is never more relevant than in a grocers store, so work out what that 20% is that generates 80% of your revenue. and then look at that other 80% of your stock and cut it down to create the space (and cash you need) to stock up with new lines.

    Most of that 80% of slower selling stock will be duplicates (how many washing powders do you have, how many different types of toilet roll, etc etc). Be brave and cut these down to just one or two lines, people will cope.

    Re new lines. My shop was the local village shop. We moved away from custard creams and mr kipling cakes to high quality locally produced goods, tying up wiht the local farmers market suppliers. The folk before us used to sell about 5 flavours of Hartley's Jam at 79p, and sold very little. We sold locally produced homemade jam, in stawberry or raspberry at £2 a jar, and we used to have a waiting list for it.

    Fresh Fruit & Veg is key too, as if you've shelves full of old manky stuff it reflects badly on your whole shop, and vice versa with the fresh stuff. Get a good supplier who can delivery daily or everyother day, and then your not tempted to overstock.

    Look at your customers, we identified our role as being able to sell them something different, that they couldn't get at the supermarket, and items fresh and affordable and good enough to make them delay the trip to tesco's for a day or to, and buy "tea" from us for that night instead. It was a simple approach but it worked.

    Anyway, i ramble......

    Kind regards
    Sandra
     
    Upvote 0
    "The shop is on a high street which has another newsagents on it and also has two co-op stores and a Threshers so the competition for off licence trade is high."

    Don't be put off by the competition, you will find you can compete on price against the Co-op and Threshers neither are particularly good on booze prices.

    If you are short on space then you may want to think about specialising in a particular area. Cards and stationery may be something that will complement your news side. Get a good range of Birthday/Occasion cards, go for quality as well as the cheap ones. We had an account with Hallmark and their Forever Friends range is a good seller.

    Contrary to what another poster said I would be very wary of fruit/veg. I found it was one of the hardest areas to increase sales, even in high turnover high footfall stores.
     
    Upvote 0

    KidsBeeHappy

    Free Member
    Oct 9, 2007
    7,371
    1,573
    Sunny Troon
    "Contrary to what another poster said I would be very wary of fruit/veg. I found it was one of the hardest areas to increase sales, even in high turnover high footfall stores.

    I would agree with this in some situations. It was something that just completely turned our shop around as there were no alternative suppliers for 8miles in any direction.

    We sold fruit and veg, ok type stuff, for several years, approx £50pw worth.

    The we got a really good supplier, and we had delivered twice a week, we bought £800a week worth, good markup, and sold out usually within an hour of delivery!

    It can work, but the situation needs to be right. If you've a tesco's round the corner, it's probably not for you.
     
    Upvote 0

    Latest Articles

    Join UK Business Forums for free business advice