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  • #41
    saxondale said:
    who said anything about wasting your life? - jeez talk about mood swings.
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    Saxondale, you talk about web design as if it's so easy that "even an alarm engineer can do it."

    Me giving you a full on Ruby on Rails application to build would be like you giving me a set of electrical screwdrivers and telling me to fix an alarm, neither of us would have a clue.

    And web design isn't a skill?
     
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    iKreativ said:
    Saxondale, you talk about web design as if it's so easy that "even an alarm engineer can do it."

    Me giving you a full on Ruby on Rails application to build would be like you giving me a set of electrical screwdrivers and telling me to fix an alarm, neither of us would have a clue.

    And web design isn't a skill?
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    what i said, Mr hysterical was even I understood the concepts you were claiming as a trades "black art" and no -


    C21`s version of painting by numbers is not a skill.
     
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    Hey RedEvo, I believe you guys build around Joomla! quite a lot, just thought I'd give you the heads up, the Joomla! com_articles component has got a 'new' SQL Injection Vulnerability.

    Don't know if there is a patch yet.
     
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    MASSEY said:
    Its a really debatable what you need to do to be able to call yourself a "web designer" you can make a site copy and pasting off google.

    And do people still build things fresh for people any more?

    Im sure any people who build sites now just copy and paste out of there saved files from previous work.
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    Web designer is such a broad term but people are starting to diversify into specific areas such as copywriting, web dev, web design, seo etc.

    I build all of my websites from scratch, as if you just copy and paste another site. The only thing I "copy" is script files like Javascript, as there are thousands of perfectly good plugins I can use instead of spending hours building my own. I would then make tweaks to it to suit the website.

    I have a copy of DW but I cannot stand it, I learnt everything myself using the web, all of my stuff is unique, I don't use templates, copy other websites etc, If someone is paying you £500 to make a website, then make them see you have put the effort in
     
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    My whole point here is one of supporting people who take the time, blood, sweat and tears to earn a worthwhile qualification.
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    I have to disagree with this. I went to college and gained electrical engineering qualifications and I went back later and got computing qualifications (no degree) but I did not think the world owed me a living for doing so. I did it because it made it a wee bit easier for me to get the job I wanted and that is all. The fact that when I did my HNC in computing they were still teaching stuff like Applied Mathematics in Computing and COBOL (and that they used BBC computers!) means that technically my wee qualification did me very little good at all. The fact that I have it may impress some people but it means just about nothing.

    No, I am afraid that supporting people is not even on the radar when I am paying for something. When I am seeking a service I certainly do not think I should seek out the person with the best qualifications just because they took the time to get a degree. Why should I? I owe them nothing and what I want is the person who is best equipped to provide the service I need and I make that judgement based on what they can show me to demonstrate their ability to do this. I want to see examples of their work and testimonials. I have never in my life asked anyone what qualifications they have and I am sure that the vast majority of us are the same.

    Finally, as I said earlier, I regularly get applications from people who have just completed college or uni courses in web design related subjects and for every one of them who can show me an impressive portfolio there is another who is fully qualified and produces work that I would be ashamed to show anyone. The sad thing about this is that their training has not even given them the ability to know how bad they are.

    Qualifications are important and they should not be dismissed but what's more important is being able to demonstrate your abilty to meet and exceed your client's requirements.
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    I can't comment on anyone elses point, but regarding my comments I was specific about the standard of establishment. HNC is a poor quality course, nothing you can't learn out a manual. This is fine for monkey work, but to conceptualise and communicate at a higher level you just won't get it from a college graduate.

    iKreative great to see some forum spirit in sharing advice! You might want to check your site for block elements inside inlines, the order of your heading nesting, then have a look over wcag2 under colour ratios ;) :p
     
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    Hi,

    You can ask him few below mentined questions:

    1) Design needs to be web 2.0 .
    2) DIV and CSS based
    3) Clearly defined call of actions
    4) Must use clean colors for design i.e. white,blue based background as per your prefrences.
    5) Use custom design using Photoshop, instead of using built in templates.
    6) Must embed web 2.0 or social media widgets such as facebook,youtube,twitter,flicker etc.
    7) In the contact us form instead of using email ID helps in preventing spam.
    8) Layout must be SEO compatible.

    These are some of the guide lines you must put forward before asking for design.

    Thanks and Best of luck !!
     
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    my 2p to say that a 4 year degree course is worthless is ridiculous.

    Obviously some will gain more from it than others as in all walks of life.

    But one assumes they have a fairly large start on Joe Bloggs who picks up a copy of dreamweaver from PC world.

    Out in the real business world we know success is down to many factors.

    I am completely self taught ,mainly I suspect that when I started SEO there was no one to learn from.

    If there had been any courses I am pretty sure I would have gone on one to save a lot of head scratching and time.

    But if I had the choice of employing a person who had a degree in design and one that had not all things being equal I know which one I would pick.

    I work with some lads that are still at uni and have the utmost respect for there abilities which are way beyond the designers I know who have not had proper training.

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  • #67
    cmcp said:
    iKreative great to see some forum spirit in sharing advice! You might want to check your site for block elements inside inlines, the order of your heading nesting, then have a look over wcag2 under colour ratios ;) :p
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    Yeah, let's all stick to WCAG and W3C guidelines and then turn out shocking websites.

    It's OK to adhere to simple principles, but if we treat WCAG and W3C as the bible then the web would be shocking.
     
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    Newbusiness2010 said:
    Hi all - I've got a meeting with a web designer tomorrow to discuss content/structure for my new website.

    I've got no experience in this area and just wondering what sort of questions/requests I should ask for with the web design? The site is initially going to be for 6 pages.

    Any ideas appreciated. Many thanks and sorry for the v.open question!!!
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    Put yourself into position of the client. What is it that you wont from site? :)
     
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    iKreativ said:
    Yeah, let's all stick to WCAG and W3C guidelines and then turn out shocking websites.

    It's OK to adhere to simple principles, but if we treat WCAG and W3C as the bible then the web would be shocking.
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    No, it would be accessible and stable.

    Implying that adhering to these standards means a compromise on something (? shocking?) speaks for itself. The fact of the matter is for anyone who knows what they're doing with what tags and attributes to use, these guidelines pose no threat and are not a hurdle.

    W3C; separating the wheat from the chaff for a good ten years or so.
     
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  • #72
    cmcp said:
    No, it would be accessible and stable.

    Implying that adhering to these standards means a compromise on something (? shocking?) speaks for itself. The fact of the matter is for anyone who knows what they're doing with what tags and attributes to use, these guidelines pose no threat and are not a hurdle.

    W3C; separating the wheat from the chaff for a good ten years or so.
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    Is that why your holding page for Aetto isn't valid? No DOCTYPE and CSS in broken style tags. Either include CSS in a stylesheet or at the very least add a "type" to your "style" tag.

    You should have a read of some interesting articles by Eric Meyer, or maybe Dan Cedarholm on the W3C and standards.
     
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    iKreativ said:
    Is that why your holding page for Aetto isn't valid? No DOCTYPE and CSS in broken style tags. Either include CSS in a stylesheet or at the very least add a "type" to your "style" tag.

    You should have a read of some interesting articles by Eric Meyer, or maybe Dan Cedarholm on the W3C and standards.
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    The difference being that's not my site, and I'm not selling my services through it! Unlucky for some :p
     
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