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Pab

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Hi guys,

I posted here a week or two ago about a new laptop for one of my team. That's all been successful and I'm now looking for a new desktop in the office.

I'm after something that's reasonably powerful... it doesn't haven't to be latest and greatest machine available but it needs to be able to cope well with applications such as Indesign, Illustrator and Photoshop. HDD size doesn't matter as we have a lot of server space. I'd also prefer it to be XP Pro or have the option to downgrade.

I'm looking for a complete package (monitor, keyboard etc) and would like to spend £400-£600.

Any recommendations?
 
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Personally I am a big fan of Dell, I think they do a nice, sensibly priced range.

We have just bought some Vostros for the office and they are fine.

We've got mainly dells and they are good quality.

However last order from them went very pear shaped and not the first time its happened. We made the mistake of upgrading the video card. This caused all sorts of problems as they didn't have the part in stock.

Each week they rang me the day before it was supposed to turn up and tell me there is another delay. After one month I'd had enough and tell them to cancel order. Then I get some bloke from india calling me every few hours begging me to give him a second chance to deliver - having already given me at least 3 delivery dates over past month that they failed to deliver on.

So I cancelled and looked elsewhere. Found a good deal at www.pcspecialist.co.uk and around 15% cheaper than dell. PC is still going fine some months later!

I then had to ring dell several times to get a refund, they even disputed the amount I'd paid until I sent them copies of my card statement and THEIR invoice!!!

Its a shame because when things go smoothly with dell its really great, and I have one of their XPS laptops that is superb and I love it. But if something isn't in stock I'd rather be told straightaway than have someone keep putting the delivery date back a week each time its supposed to be about to arrive.
 
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Just received a replament / upgrade for one of my old Dell Vostros, it was replaced as they couldnt fix a HDD noise (constant access of the HDD) after two replacements HDDs and one replacement motherboard. Even though they suggested replacing the HDD again a day after it was replaced a 2nd time I told them that they clearly have no idea, after much support 'chat' they upgraded the PC to one 2 models higher and one that was 40% more expensive.

Good in theory but the replacement had the incorrect OS (Vista Basic ! which doesnt let you install dreamweaver cs4) and other bits missing (card reader), but to give them their due they are sending me the OS and sorted out my problems eventually.

Having reinstalled all apps / data onto a 750 GB drive 4 times now I have wasted days and I mean days on this but happy now and PC is very very fast and quiet. This is the only hassle I have experienced from Dell and bought from them or used them as a preferred supplier over the last 10 years

Value for money they do some terrific deals and you can monitor their deals on twitter to get the most up-to-date info about them.

Overall I would recommend them and we have bought 4 PCs / Laptops from them in the last 8 months
 
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Built these ourselves for our new office. Total cost was like £1,400 for everying including monitors and saturday before 12pm delivery. Took like 1-2 hours to build.

That's not my office either btw.
 
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Thanks all. It seems like Dell are well-recommended here! For reasons I'm not quite sure of, perhaps it's a skewed opinion, I've always avoided Dell. Maybe now it's time to take the plunge and give them a try.

Thanks again.
 
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I can't see how custom build makes sense when you get get an HP dx2450 with Athlon 64, 1GB memory, 160GB HDD for less than £218.00 including VAT. Add an £80.00 flat screen monitor and you have a fully functional PC for office use at less that £300.00 (inc. warranty of course).
 
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It can be quite a little saving or a lot it depends where you go and if you are willing to shop around. An have the time to sort it out and skills to keep the computer going (not having to rely on warranty). Though if you want something quick and easy Dell is a good option.
 
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If its any help to you - I'm happy to build you one. I built mine last month - And it'll do all the Jobs you need it to:

Intel E7300 2.66GHz
ATi 4850 512MB
750GB Seagate Hard-drive
2GB Ram

Total: £523.99

Its up to you - Buying in parts and building it is cheaper than going to a big firm such as Dell.
 
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If its any help to you - I'm happy to build you one. I built mine last month - And it'll do all the Jobs you need it to:

Intel E7300 2.66GHz
ATi 4850 512MB
750GB Seagate Hard-drive
2GB Ram

Total: £523.99

Its up to you - Buying in parts and building it is cheaper than going to a big firm such as Dell.

I think for that price, you should be able to reduce the hard drive a bit and double the RAM - because of the programs that the OP wants to run, it would be a much smoother ride with 4GB :D
 
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Pab

I have watched this thread with interest, as I always like to see the very definite advice given by people who may have experience of one or two brands only. 'buy x as they are great' is a very definite statement, but may not be based on knowledge of the complete range available these days tbh.

It is going on a bit long now, so I thought I'd throw my 2p in now.......

1) Do you honestly think that the interior of a Dell differs much from say an HP, PB, Acer, etc? Not really, most of the big manufacturers/assemblers are buying from similar sources, and their parts are all of a similar quality (unless you go to some of the more expensive options of course).

2) For a basic desktop PC, it will hardly matter that much which one you go for, just buy one at the top end of your budget and ensure you look at getting the best specification you can for your money.

3) If you are looking for something a little more than usual, then explain your needs on here and we will advise on some spec details you should look at.

4) Do not take the advice of someone who has had 3 machines of the same brand and has never had problems with them, so they must be the best manufacturer out there :) Ask for some of the guys who get Pc's in on a daily basis for repair which are the best ones..... and I can easily tell you that they are mostly of a similar quality. HP have made some shockers, Dell have made some shockers, Acer, or anyone else you'd care to mention are all capable of making a shocker. Likewise they have all had their decent machines too. I can tell by the machines that I get in though, the quality is not just the same in a lot of the newer ones.

You inevitably get what you pay for, so as the market demands cheaper and cheaper, then so too will the quality decline. don't even get me started on the laptop market, it is becoming as disposable as razors !

I know, because I build PC's. We supply custom-built PC's, built to a specification that I would personally buy. They do not always compete on price with the off-the-shelf machines, but I stand over every component as being one of the best manufactured available. I refuse to save a fiver on the price of a HDD, buying an inferior brand - this to me is a false economy. I also put a lot of faith in future upgradeability, and this is lacking in a lot of the 'branded' systems.

I have 2 PC's in my office these days....this new one I am typing on, which is the dogs balaerics, and another which has been my main PC for almost 10 years. Imagine getting 10 years out of your PC, and only adding a little RAM and a PSU in 10 years (had a dirty power cut once when not adequately protected).?

Now, I am not trying to sell you anything, I am merely trying to save you wasting your time in this thread and torturing yourself as to what to buy.

Take £400, look around, and buy the best SPECIFICATION you can get - not necessarily a particular brand !!


Disclaimer.... i have never mentioned Advent above, as I do not rate them worthy of the wear on my keyboard..... but thats a personal opinion based upon years of repairing PC's :)
 
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Just to follow on what ComSpec said:

Once you've bought your computer, stop looking around. Seriously. Don't look at other computers, as inevitably, the prices will have dropped (even just a week on). You'll only depress yourself when you realise that a month in, the computer you bought is now a third of the price.

Just be happy in the knowledge that once you've bought the computer you got the best possible computer for that price at the time. That's what matters.
 
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Disclaimer.... i have never mentioned Advent above, as I do not rate them worthy of the wear on my keyboard..... but thats a personal opinion based upon years of repairing PC's :)

Now see my personal opinion, is that Advent do some very good computers. In the past I've had three Advent machines and one laptop, and not a single problem with them. I've still got my first Advent machine and I'm using that everyday for a file server.

Acer on the other hand...well what can I say. My sister got a new Acer laptop for Christmas and she as had no end of trouble with it. I've also had an Acer computer, which again I've had loads of problems with. Again several friends of mine also have Acer machines, and they are always breaking. Not to mention the amount of **** software that Acer put into the machines.

Of course Acer was just an example, but as you mentioned each manufacturer does good and bad machines.
 
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Disclaimer.... i have never mentioned Advent above, as I do not rate them worthy of the wear on my keyboard..... but thats a personal opinion based upon years of repairing PC's :)

I have two in just now, both with completely dead PSUs. Now to see whether or not the crappy PSU has surged the motherboard and processor. Any bets? :rolleyes:
 
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I have two in just now, both with completely dead PSUs. Now to see whether or not the crappy PSU has surged the motherboard and processor. Any bets? :rolleyes:

They tend to mate, unfortunately :)

Steve202, the things I find with Advent:
1) Desktops seem to use less than the best quality components, and when they go, they go :)
2) Laptops when they come in for repair are usually beyond economical repair.

Just something I noticed about that brand.

Though I will give them this - they made a range of desktops about 3 years ago which seem to last the pace. Not much wrong with them.
 
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On a slightly different note, this has just made me think about computer life duration. How often do computers usually last? Now that we have numerous computers (laptops and desktops + server) it's quite interesting to know when they might be up for replacement.

Any view? Is replacement usually due to compatibility/performance with newer software or is hardware failure quite commonplace after X period?
 
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Would you care to elaborate on that?

I'd love to. Gives me and excuse to damage dells reputation.

Okay,

1 - Customer services is awful. Call centers and in the UK and when you finally get through to a bot/real person - They don't really understand what you mean.

2 - The profit they make is insane. Having said that - Thats what most businesses aim for.

3 - There always breaking down. I've had 3 dells. All 3 have broken within the first year. I'm not the only person.....

4 - The amount they charge for the parts your getting is over expensive.
 
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1 - Customer services is awful. Call centers and in the UK and when you finally get through to a bot/real person - They don't really understand what you mean.

You mean outside the UK? Don't phone their support then - get in professionals like us ;)
2 - The profit they make is insane. Having said that - Thats what most businesses aim for.
Exactly, that can't be held against them.

3 - There always breaking down. I've had 3 dells. All 3 have broken within the first year. I'm not the only person.....
I disagree. I've hardly had any Dells "breaking down". I've had lots with viruses, but not so many hardware issues.

4 - The amount they charge for the parts your getting is over expensive.
No it's not. Some of the prices are actually extremely competitive - cheaper than other places.


And... I have a Dell Dimension 2400 acting as my gateway, it's almost silent. Compared to my other 5 desktops, it's the quietest.
 
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Get a professional like yourself to do the Job?

As much as you might be very good at your Job - Dell should keep there customers happy and repair for free (Depending on the problem).

And I disagree - You give me a PC from dell and I'll get the parts. Then we'll see how much they make just on the parts....

:rolleyes:
 
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1 - Customer services is awful. Call centers and in the UK and when you finally get through to a bot/real person - They don't really understand what you mean.

I have a Dell flat screen monitor for my gaming machine and when that stopped working, I rang up and managed to sort out a replacement for the very next day. Took all of 2 minutes and they had no problem understanding me.
 
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On a slightly different note, this has just made me think about computer life duration. How often do computers usually last? Now that we have numerous computers (laptops and desktops + server) it's quite interesting to know when they might be up for replacement.

Any view? Is replacement usually due to compatibility/performance with newer software or is hardware failure quite commonplace after X period?

Sorry only noticed this as a result of the recent bumping...... :)

Lifespan is something that not a lot of people take into consideration these days when purchasing their PC/Laptop, and there are also some things you can do yourself to lengthen these too.

The cheapo laptops being sold these days in supermarkets, etc, will not last what I would call a normal time for a PC tbh. If you buy a £300 laptop, there is a good chance (not sure of the percentage, just we get a lot of these in for repair) that they will not last any longer than 2-3 years. Physically they are of weak manufacture and have inferior components a lot of the time (but hey - what do you expect the manufacturer to do when everyone only wants to pay 300 for it). The spares are very expensive, so it can be financially better to just buy a new one. I call these 'disposable laptops'

Desktops are a different matter - the one beside me is a great workhorse, and has been moved from pillar to post over the years - and is still my main PC for daily use (even though it is 10 years old). The average desktop though I would be looking at 5 years + out of. Obviously those who are heavier users or power users who do specific jobs will get less, as their applications demand more.

A few little tips for you, apart from the buying process:

1) Never work with your laptop either on your knee (or worse on the bed directly) as this will normally block cooling fans, causing overheating and general reduction of machine lifespan. Put a tray or a board underneath it, let it breathe, and it'll last the pace better.

2) Always buy a decent laptop carry case if you are moving it around, giving adequate protection particularly to the end you usually set down on the table/ground (it gets a lots of knocks over the years).

3) Always give a little time when hoovering to go around where your desktop sits. the dust it gathers into fans,. etc cause it no ends of trouble in later life.

4) Never situate your desktop tower so that the side vents are even partially covered. The number of times I pull a desktop tower out from below a desk to find that the vented side is tight against a wall is unreal.

5) Never, but never, sit your PC too close to radiators or direct sunlight, for obvious (to everyone except the numerous people doing it obviously) reasons.

6) Always use some sort of power protection for your desktop PC, whether it be a UPS or a simple Surge-Protection socket.

A couple of articles we had written a while ago, but you might gleam some info from:

Desktop PC Buyers Guide (Feb 08)

PC Preventative Maintenance
 
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The cheapo laptops being sold these days in supermarkets, etc, will not last what I would call a normal time for a PC tbh.

I have a laptop in at the moment. Customer bought it just over a year ago, hasn't actually touched it for 9 months. Went to use it and it's awffy slow.

She's not installed anything daft. She has Office on it, she has Anti Virus, she has Quicktime and Adobe Reader. Nothing else.

Why is it slow?


It's an Acer. It has 512MB of RAM. And it also had Microsoft Vista shoved down its throat.

I love Vista :) It gives me more work!
 
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