Looking for business partner

[assuredplumbing &heating]

Hi all
I am looking for a business partner for a emergency plumbing ,heating,drainage to cover essex and london areas .
I have been in the industry for 20 yrs and am gas safe reg etc.
I need someone to give me the support and input to get a business
going that will use mainly sub contractors on a % basis on a 24hr
callout .
I have .com and .co.uk domains and in the process of haveing a
ten page website built, i want someone who is also a plumber/ heating
engineer that can assist in the calls until we can get enough contractors
Many thanks Paul

 

[G. Lasagne]

Just read this post.

Are you assuming that a 10 page website will autmoatically make the phone ring off the hook, it dosent work like that unfortunately.
If the website is your only marketing plan then i would advise doing the work yourself as it wont be as much as you expect.
If your only work on a % basis you will struggle, im afraid sometimes these things ony work when done the hard way

 

[rickyhelmore]

Hi,

Interested to work with you in emergency plumbing ,heating,drainage to cover essex and london areas.
Please let me know what queries you have regarding that?

 

[assuredplumbing &heating]

Just read this post.

Are you assuming that a 10 page website will autmoatically make the phone ring off the hook, it dosent work like that unfortunately.
If the website is your only marketing plan then i would advise doing the work yourself as it wont be as much as you expect.
If your only work on a % basis you will struggle, im afraid sometimes these things ony work when done the hard way[/quote Thanks for your input but i am looking for a partner not advertising advice ive been in this business long enough to know how it works, so this is why i need help i am to busy to do everything, apart from the website i advertise in local papers and i was in 4 yellow pages books which were a waste of time because most of my jobs were comeing from internet sites etc hence the website being reworked . The % asis works fine as thats how all emergency plumbers work ie you give the work to a subbie where he charges at an hourly rate of etween 58-98 pounds per hour ,he gets half and i get half 50/50 % basis not bad money in anyones books
:|

 

[Joseph H]

Shame its not in the midlands area would of been interested.

 

[Tej]

Where are your customers coming from?.. or do you have them already?..

you make it sound easy... 50/50 for passing on the work...nice

 

[G. Lasagne]

Just read this post.

Are you assuming that a 10 page website will autmoatically make the phone ring off the hook, it dosent work like that unfortunately.
If the website is your only marketing plan then i would advise doing the work yourself as it wont be as much as you expect.
If your only work on a % basis you will struggle, im afraid sometimes these things ony work when done the hard way[/quote Thanks for your input but i am looking for a partner not advertising advice ive been in this business long enough to know how it works, so this is why i need help i am to busy to do everything, apart from the website i advertise in local papers and i was in 4 yellow pages books which were a waste of time because most of my jobs were comeing from internet sites etc hence the website being reworked . The % asis works fine as thats how all emergency plumbers work ie you give the work to a subbie where he charges at an hourly rate of etween 58-98 pounds per hour ,he gets half and i get half 50/50 % basis not bad money in anyones books
:|

Fair enough, but what im saying is that if you get 10 jobs a week at £100 (for arguments sake), would it not be better making £1000 a week than £500 and then when you start getting 30+ jobs a week getting a subcontractor or two in then.

The other problem is that i assume it will be your reputation when these jobs are carried out?
If the subbies do a bad job or treat a customer badly then your word of mouth will suffer and in turn you wont expand at the rate you expect, no matter how many pages your site has.

 

[Tej]

big gap.. £58-£98 per hour?... workable?.. and if its 58 quid.. he gives you half..

would he get out of bed in the middle of the night for that?

 

[assuredplumbing &heating]

Hi,

Interested to work with you in emergency ,heating,drainage to cover essex and london areas.
Please let me know what queries you have regarding that?

Hi Ricky
do you have any previous expirience in plumbing / heating where do you live have you got van tools etc qualifacations
And do you have any ideas in taking the business further
cheers Paul

sorry about the spelling

 

[Tej]

From past experience.. subby plumbers.. they can't do much in the midddle of the night..
They turn the water off.. and give a bottle of water to the ternant.... take their call out money...

... and in the morning.. you will have to go and sort the problem out.

reputation?

 

[estwig]

Amazing, all that from just this website???

and a yell listing???

Is that all??

 

[Tej]

Hi Ricky
do you have any previous expirience in plumbing / heating where do you live have you got van tools etc qualifacations
And do you have any ideas in taking the business further
cheers Paul

sorry about the spelling

don't worry.. he is in the USA.. a bit of a long schlepp to help you out

 

[G. Lasagne]

I knew i had been going wrong somewhere

But seriously which "good" engineer are you going to get to work for £29 an hour, any decent company wont be working for such a rate, so all you will get is the cowboys who no-one will employ, and when it takes 20 visits for one of them to fix a boiler and the labour charge is ridiculous, because he has charged over the top to compensate for his poor wage, you will be the one who suffers, he will just go back to what he was doing and your left bankrupt.

Just go and run and operate your business in-house so you have complete control and only use subbies that you can trust not some bloke off a forum you have never met.
And when you have 10 vans and 100% of the profit you will no doubt thank me for my advice.

p.s if this was the way forward why dont british gas do it?

 

[G. Lasagne]

Amazing, all that from just this website???

and a yell listing???

Is that all??

Yeah but there's another 5 pages to be added yet, then you will see

The websites s..t mate, mines 10x better and i have just enough work for 2 people at times 1 and a half, i dont know whos been filling you with all this sh.t but just do it the the traditional way.

Its only kieth who gets to make money the easy way around here, but then he has done it the hard way also

 

[Joseph H]

I completly had read this wrong, i thought you wanted a business partner not a subby, there is a huge difference.

 

[G. Lasagne]

Tej - Give him some of your wisdom mate, us young guns havent got a clue, im surprised youve been so tame so far

 

[Tej]

I knew i had been going wrong somewhere

But seriously which "good" engineer are you going to get to work for £29 an hour,

There will be plumbers that would work for that rate per hour.

But.. they have to earn about £250 after tax per night to make it worth their while. If they have to pay for their own vans, fuel etc... then forget it.

You have to bear in mind that they can't work during the day if they have been working at night... even if they are on standby and have had no jobs given to them.

Do you have enough business to sustain that?

 

[Tej]

Tej - Give him some of your wisdom mate, us young guns havent got a clue, im surprised youve been so tame so far

LOL..

one up to you... mr pasta lover

 

[Joseph H]

assuredplumbing & heating is your full name Paul Brackley by any chance?

 

[G. Lasagne]

Paul brackley - the millionaire plumbing marketing geezer??? whos probably not a millionaire?

Tej - i agree totally with what your saying, theres no way this business could work even if you had x amount of calls guaranteed, the logisitics of it say it cant.

 

[Joseph H]

Paul brackley - the millionaire plumbing marketing geezer??? whos probably not a millionaire?

After i posted, i got an email about a client needing a Gas Safety Cert of a Paul brackley, never heard of him.

 

[Matt1959]

After i posted, i got an email about a client needing a Gas Safety Cert of a Paul brackley, never heard of him.

I had one them earlier, trouble is I'm not a plumber

 

[G. Lasagne]

I had one them earlier, trouble is I'm not a plumber

Me too i got one also.

Paul brackley is the guy who made that cd matt, what did you think BTW

 

[Matt1959]

Havnt got round to listening to it:redface: Having me tea next, I'll have a listen after and report back

 

[assuredplumbing &heating]

assuredplumbing & heating is your full name Paul Brackley by any chance?

NO WRONG CANT YOU READ !!!!:|

 

[assuredplumbing &heating]

Where are your customers coming from?.. or do you have them already?..

you make it sound easy... 50/50 for passing on the work...nice

Ive got loads of customers ,letting agents and bathroom and kitchens for wickes ut the emergency work is where the money is

 

[Joseph H]

Hi all
I am looking for a business partner for a emergency plumbing ,heating,drainage to cover essex and london areas .
I have been in the industry for 20 yrs and am gas safe reg etc.
I need someone to give me the support and input to get a business
going that will use mainly sub contractors on a % basis on a 24hr
callout .
I have .com and .co.uk domains and in the process of haveing a
ten page website built, i want someone who is also a plumber/ heating
engineer that can assist in the calls until we can get enough contractors
Many thanks Paul

I see Paul but fail to see you last name so what have i read incorrectly?
and i was being facetious

 

[assuredplumbing &heating]

I knew i had been going wrong somewhere

But seriously which "good" engineer are you going to get to work for £29 an hour, any decent company wont be working for such a rate, so all you will get is the cowboys who no-one will employ, and when it takes 20 visits for one of them to fix a boiler and the labour charge is ridiculous, because he has charged over the top to compensate for his poor wage, you will be the one who suffers, he will just go back to what he was doing and your left bankrupt.

Just go and run and operate your business in-house so you have complete control and only use subbies that you can trust not some bloke off a forum you have never met.
And when you have 10 vans and 100% of the profit you will no doubt thank me for my advice.

p.s if this was the way forward why dont british gas do it?

They do i get an email every week from them asking me to!

 

[G. Lasagne]

Ive got loads of customers ,letting agents and bathroom and kitchens for wickes ut the emergency work is where the money is

What you fit kitchens aswell?

 

[assuredplumbing &heating]

Yeah but there's another 5 pages to be added yet, then you will see

The websites s..t mate, mines 10x better and i have just enough work for 2 people at times 1 and a half, i dont know whos been filling you with all this sh.t but just do it the the traditional way.

Its only kieth who gets to make money the easy way around here, but then he has done it the hard way also

Get your facts right efore you post your wrong mate

 

[assuredplumbing &heating]

I completly had read this wrong, i thought you wanted a business partner not a subby, there is a huge difference.

No you never read it wrong half the other muppets have though i am looking for a partner

 

[G. Lasagne]

No you never read it wrong half the other muppets have though i am looking for a partner

Muppets, you dont have a clue mate, you have a crap website, and you think you can make a fortune by having a few ads and sitting back, answering the phones and getting other people to do the work.

There's only one muppet on this thread, if you want positive constructive critiscism then join in the debate, dont just tell everyone there wrong.

Who the f.ck goes on a forum looking for any old random business partner, i will tell you who MUPPETS

 

[assuredplumbing &heating]

There will be plumbers that would work for that rate per hour.

But.. they have to earn about £250 after tax per night to make it worth their while. If they have to pay for their own vans, fuel etc... then forget it.

You have to bear in mind that they can't work during the day if they have been working at night... even if they are on standby and have had no jobs given to them.

Do you have enough business to sustain that?

you are right this is why we use subbies to suppplement their income just doing odd jobs that we cant cover ourselves . They have only got to go over the first hourand they get 2 hours plus a mark up on any materials they use it is how loads of firms work , pimlico etc their engineers dont get payed unless they are on site and they still rent their vans from pimlico if its in the middle of the night its 98 pph

 

[assuredplumbing &heating]

Muppets, you dont have a clue mate, you have a crap website, and you think you can make a fortune by having a few ads and sitting back, answering the phones and getting other people to do the work.

There's only one muppet on this thread, if you want positive constructive critiscism then join in the debate, dont just tell everyone there wrong.

Who the f.ck goes on a forum looking for any old random business partner, i will tell you who MUPPETS

LIKE I SAID MUPPET IT AINT MY WESITE MUPPET

 

[G. Lasagne]

Yeah but charlie mullins (pimlico) had max clifford to do his pr, and hes also got a great business mind.

However it obviously works if thats how he runs pimlico, but i think its probably more complicated than that.

 

[assuredplumbing &heating]

I see Paul but fail to see you last name so what have i read incorrectly?
and i was being facetious

Sorry Joseph i apologise mate

 

[G. Lasagne]

LIKE I SAID MUPPET IT AINT MY WESITE MUPPET

I wont rise So please enlighten us on the domain name of your fantastic website, let me guess its not ready.

p.s do you think your making posts when your not, you never said that wasnt you website, you never said your name wasnt paul brackley, yet you make out that you have already told us, are you ok, mentally i mean

 

[assuredplumbing &heating]

What you fit kitchens aswell?

Only plumbing and gas why am i doing something wrong and y the way my c--ck is only 7 inches long efore you ask

 

[Joseph H]

Just curious if this is not your website what is?

 

[estwig]

If I may interject without caught in the hand bag cross fire

The business model the OP describes is very do-able, I have seen and subbed from (many years ago) company's operating the idea described. In my case it was as a rigger, TV aerials and satellite dishes, but the principles are the same and they rely on the fact tradesmen are cr*p at generating work (no offence intended it's a generalisation). Wheather the OP can manage this? Well it don't look hopeful.