Link Building...

[draelectricals]

Links to my website - how many links are good?

People say quality over quantity which is great, and too many is bad but the question is "how many is too many?"

Quantity could be thousands and looking at some of the sites on google that's quite a few but it doesn't seem to do them any harm.

Can anyone advise?

 

[thetime22]

Focus on getting 5 good ones this week, build your empire up over time. There is no quick fix, think of it this way, if it was easy everyone would be doing it.

I'll say this before someone else chimes in though "depends on the keywords/niche you are going after, depends on the competition" etc etc

 

[RadiusBPO]

It's not really the quantity of links in total. It's the amount of links in a short space of time which can sometimes send alarms to Google and they apply a filter of some kind to push your rankings down.

How many is this? Depends. Wikipedia probably gets 100000s of new links per day, but a brand new site getting a few 100 could cause a filter.

Generally you need to focus on the quality links, there aren't many of these so there is no danger of being penalised.

 

[Toni Anicic]

I disagree with the "too many backlinks in a short time span will cause you harm" theory. If it was true, every single piece of content that ever went viral would be penalized and yet it never happened.

The idea is, build links naturally and you'll be just fine. Don't do black hat, don't spam, don't create content and links for robots.

 

[sigurog]

Yep I agree with these guys, take your time and get quality links. Also there are a lot of low quality directories out there which can make up your volume in quite easily and even though there is limited value they can be a very good place to get a few anchor text links in the early days.

I find it easiest to say right I am going to get 5 links or 10 links a week for this particular account. Just be prepared to put in the hours and you will be fine!

 

[eventdomain]

Yes, you will have to put insane work in at first, er to get the link ball rolling..... And it does matter about the type of site you have - most businesses won't get many links, mainly bcos their websites dont get much traffic in the first place (the nature of what they are), they are not built for traffic centralisation. Dont believe me, then check out a few link pages and you'll soon find ones with just 10 links on their link page - no point in being on those.

Also, with linking, think about what the link hunter wants. They want traffic, so its likely that chasing link slots on low traffic sites wont produce much reward - they arent traffic magnets. Linking to biz sites will get you a bit of 'link benefit' in the SERPS, but nothing that converts, mainly as link seekers, hit link pages and web searchers mostly dont. So you need to be where the searchers are - not the link hunters, link hunters wont buy.

Seems the world wants any old link, and thats just the wrong way to go about linking. Links are like the web - MIXED, how the hell can you ever expect conversions from something so mixed and untargeted. Link pages are a mixed bag of low traffic returners.

This is about 'standing out' - you aint going to be seen on some deep links page.

 

[pickaweb]

Concentrate on quality rather than quantity.

 

[jimmyjimmerson]

Quality over quantity has been the way since december 2008.

To view how many is too many have a look at how many links your competitors have. yahoo site explorer will show this.

I view how my competitors have built links time wise using majestic seo but the data isnt as good as it used to be

 

[marketingquotes]

Google has measures in place to red flag unatural link building.

As long as you are doing natural link building - then quantity should not really matter. It is when you suddenly go from getting 0 links a day to 1000's - that is when the red flag is raised.

If there is a sudden spike, then this just shows google that you are doing SEO - but as long as it is natural, then all is good.

Quality is good, but you do need quantity in order to beat your competitors.

Regards,

Marketing Quotes Support.

 

[RedEvo]

If there is a sudden spike, then this just shows google that you are doing SEO - but as long as it is natural, then all is good.

So all you need to do to kill your competitors is buy a few thousand spammy links and point them at their site?

Cool, SEO finally solved.

d

 

[eventdomain]

I think Google are smarter than this. They'll know when there is genuine popularity for a website and when someone's gaming their system.

 

[MASSEY]

I disagree with the "too many backlinks in a short time span will cause you harm" theory.

It is not so much harm but it seems like a filter and many other people think this. If you get into a filter even though you may come across good links because of the filter you wont rise to the top as quick as you would.

 

[MASSEY]

Yes, you will have to put insane work in at first, er to get the link ball rolling..... And it does matter about the type of site you have - most businesses won't get many links, mainly bcos their websites dont get much traffic in the first place (the nature of what they are), they are not built for traffic centralisation. Dont believe me, then check out a few link pages and you'll soon find ones with just 10 links on their link page - no point in being on those.

Also, with linking, think about what the link hunter wants. They want traffic, so its likely that chasing link slots on low traffic sites wont produce much reward - they arent traffic magnets. Linking to biz sites will get you a bit of 'link benefit' in the SERPS, but nothing that converts, mainly as link seekers, hit link pages and web searchers mostly dont. So you need to be where the searchers are - not the link hunters, link hunters wont buy.

Seems the world wants any old link, and thats just the wrong way to go about linking. Links are like the web - MIXED, how the hell can you ever expect conversions from something so mixed and untargeted. Link pages are a mixed bag of low traffic returners.

This is about 'standing out' - you aint going to be seen on some deep links page.

Chris as usual you are talking nonsense. Any old link is all you need. People arent interested in getting traffic from the links they want the links to get them higher on search engines to get the traffic. Other than yell where else do you think people look for electricians on the internet?

 

[draelectricals]

Hello everyone - thanks for the advice on link building it's all really useful thanks - the positive and the negative.

When you talk about good linked sites - how do i found out if a site is good?

 

[aidan1980]

Hello everyone - thanks for the advice on link building it's all really useful thanks - the positive and the negative.

When you talk about good linked sites - how do i found out if a site is good?

if you are in the electrical business you'll know if the sites good an useful. if a site looks crap, with crap info and covered in crap links then i'd guess that that site is crap.

 

[draelectricals]

if you are in the electrical business you'll know if the sites good an useful. if a site looks crap, with crap info and covered in crap links then i'd guess that that site is crap.

Fair enough - I was expecting some technical response but straight to the point - I like it

 

[unet]

Focus on getting 5 good ones this week, build your empire up over time. There is no quick fix, think of it this way, if it was easy everyone would be doing it.

I'll say this before someone else chimes in though "depends on the keywords/niche you are going after, depends on the competition" etc etc

If its a new site then sort your "on" site seo first ie: ie H1 tags, alt tags, keyworded content etc etc - you can google "onsite seo " plenty of advice out there.

in relation to off site ( backlinks ) - you should be okay with 5k backlinks a week ( i dont know where he got 5 links from ).
get an article written and "spin in", then submit it to the thousands of article sites ( including your keywords as anchors )

Gl with it and if you need any pointers just message me ( advice is free )
Rob

 

[robmcnicoll]

Interesting thread this.

Quick question to draelectricals - what is you market focus. Are you targeting at a local level, or is your focus on a national client base.

There are 2 separate and distinct strategies you can employ for relatively quick and effective results, but it depends on the answer to my question.

Regards

Rob

 

[Fresco_Creative]

Focus on getting 5 good ones this week, build your empire up over time. There is no quick fix, think of it this way, if it was easy everyone would be doing it.

I'll say this before someone else chimes in though "depends on the keywords/niche you are going after, depends on the competition" etc etc

As mentioned here, do it bit by bit and not in massive chunks

Also, never ever buy links. Someone I know has had their website de-listed because they were seduced by a nice looking 5 dollar banner! Avoid at all costs

 

[eventdomain]

Also, never ever buy links

Where did you here that, forget that drivel, you can buy links - just dont buy tons of links on pagerank pages eg: manipulate PR. I cant believe people still talk about this stuff - websites buy links and ad spots every single day.

Google cannot ban them for this, it would be unethical and unwise - jeeze there would be no web in Google results if it did that.

Google sells Adwords, Adwords contains links - thus Google encourage link buying. You cannot remove people's rights to buy where they like, and what they like.

 

[Kingdingle22]

Both.

Quantity and Quality.

Vary sources, anchors.

 

[Mike Morrison]

Google has plenty of means of judging blackhat links and also of judging google bowling.

If you have a new domain name, for example, that suddenly gets 10,000 links all from forum profiles appearing, that's probably black hat. Hello -250 penelty.

If you are an established site that has ranked for a few years and suddenly 10,000 links appear, that's less likely to be blackhat. Remember, some sites do become 'newsworthy' and legitimately get that volume of links. (Say, for example, a breaking news story on the BBC). It's not as clear cut as '10k links = ban!'

I think anyone in the SEO game can think of plenty of examples where competitors have spammed their way to the top. But, those businesses are always one Google Algo review away from crashing and burning. I'd do everything you can to develop white hat linking tactics first - Establish connections with other webmasters, develop and seed linkbait, dig out 'authority' directories on your industry only (Not generic SEODIR.CC type sites!), put out press releases - give a reason for people to link to you.

Bare in mind white hat strategies often generate leads directly, in addition to giving a boost in the SERPS. I have a client, for example, who recently got quoted in a national newspaper as a result of our press release strategy. Not only did he get an incredibly powerful backlink, the sort no blackhatter could ever get, but he's gotten a few thousand hits through that link as well. And it cost less than buying a cheap scrapebox blast as well. Done properly, Whitehat beats blackhat in every single way. It just requires a bit of creativity. (No offense to blackhatters, but they tend to approach SEO from a 'technical' POV, which is actually only 1/3rd of the game in my experience)

If, after everything above, your still being beaten by spammers and have to resort to similar tactics, you will have much more authority and trust from Google and can get away with a lot more than your competitors. You will always be one Google review away from plummiting though. For gods sake build a contingency plan if you end up going this route.

 

[eventdomain]

Establish connections with other webmasters, develop and seed linkbait, dig out 'authority' directories on your industry only (Not generic SEODIR.CC type sites!), put out press releases - give a reason for people to link to you.

Couldnt have put it much better myself.....

You must get your website 'out there' for someone to link to it


a lot of link pages are devalued and won't show up in SERPS. So going from link to link IS the best way of choosing linking sites.

Linking with sites of a related/targeted nature is the key.

 

[workingnomad]

Don't go looking for links, just write excellent content or provide something very useful and people will link to you naturally. People that buy links are wasting money and time 9once Google catches up with them).

 

[sigurog]

Don't go looking for links, just write excellent content or provide something very useful and people will link to you naturally. People that buy links are wasting money and time 9once Google catches up with them).

This is not strictly accurate at all. While writing great content is a very good piece of advice, not looking for links is not.

You should constantly be looking to get links from other related websites and blogs through link swaps, guest blogging, forums, directories etc If you want to succeed in seo you need to do this. Paying for links on the other hand is something to be avoided on the most part.

 

[orchardpressltd]

Hi , I say you need to add a steady flow over a period of time.
I have found 5-10 a week is the answer.

 

[stone21]

So all you need to do to kill your competitors is buy a few thousand spammy links and point them at their site?

Cool, SEO finally solved.

d

coolif this works , google must be busy to find what are spam maker....

 

[eventdomain]

Paying for links on the other hand is something to be avoided on the most part.

Flawed thinking. Links are the highways of the web, without links you are making it difficult for people to find you. Must be a lot of people who think 50 links will solve their business cash flow for life eh.

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