Leveson's inquiry waste if time and money.

I have several computers none of which do I keep sensitive information on if the are connected to the internet.

So how comes these mobile phone users are dumb enough to use there phones for sensitive information.?

And why do the mobile phone manufacturers and operators not have any responsibility for producing a product that is not safe/ or issuing a warning to anyone puchasing that information is not secure when switched on.

I mean we issue a warning when a toy is not suitable for children under 5 years old.?

 

[Nuno]

I have several computers none of which do I keep sensitive information on if the are connected to the internet.

So how comes these mobile phone users are dumb enough to use there phones for sensitive information.?

And why do the mobile phone manufacturers and operators not have any responsibility for producing a product that is not safe/ or issuing a warning to anyone puchasing that information is not secure when switched on.

I mean we issue a warning when a toy is not suitable for children under 5 years old.?

Yes, Millie Dowler and her anguished parents were just dumb. All their fault.
Just 'asking for it' really you would say.

 

Yes, Millie Dowler and her anguished parents were just dumb. All their fault.
Just 'asking for it' really you would say.

Oh your pulling at my heart strings.

But missing the main point.

Which was the manufactureres responsibility.

well done.

 

[owas]

The thing is with this, its not actually phone hacking, its illicit access to voicemail messages, which can be done remotely by calling in from any phone. I am no expert in all of this but I doubt other than the network providers getting users to change the pin by post there's not much that can be done, or I suppose they could have a notification system when your pin is changed, or stop access to voicemail unless its from your phone.
Saying that though, most of this (hacking) took place before smart phones, so I wonder if there is much change in security since, and even if there is on the voicemail side of it, with smart phones as they are now, wireless etc, I guess they are more vulnerable to hacking, the actual handset.
On my iphone, I have three email accounts, twitter, Facebook, on-line docs, bank apps, personal info, pics, diary etc, so if it were to get in the wrong hands, or hacked I guess I am really exposing myself.
I think this whole hacking stuff is the one true thing that will forever have a black mark over British news/reporting. I think the whole leveson inquiry is a farce and waste of time and money (another story) and I think MPS are afraid of the Media the power and influence it has. I think the only good thing that will come off all of this, other than the media being exposed is that people will turn more to social media for news rather than the press/papers.

 

[Beachcomber]

Yes earl, of course it is the manufacturers obligation to make sure their products cannot be abused by someone with criminal intent.

Maybe while we are at it we should compel knife manufacturers to make blades out of rubber so no one can be stabbed?

How about we make envelope manufacturers add a password protection system to all of their envelopes to prevent unauthorised access?

Come on earl, with this attitude you would react to someone hurling a brick through your window by blaming the brick manufacturer.

Take the time to look up the long forgotten concepts of personal accountability and responsibility.

 

[owas]

Yes earl, of course it is the manufacturers obligation to make sure their products cannot be abused by someone with criminal intent.

Maybe while we are at it we should compel knife manufacturers to make blades out of rubber so no one can be stabbed?

How about we make envelope manufacturers add a password protection system to all of their envelopes to prevent unauthorised access?

Come on earl, with this attitude you would react to someone hurling a brick through your window by blaming the brick manufacturer.

Take the time to look up the long forgotten concepts of personal accountability and responsibility.

not necessarily, if your paying for a digital service such as a mobile phone networks surely they are obliged to protect your info, just as much as your bank would be to protect your data and info. For instance if Payapl left an open gap where anyone could log in to our account in such a simple method there would be an outcry!

 

Take the time to look up the long forgotten concepts of personal accountability and responsibility.

We are talking about journalists who's only accountability is to get a good story by hook or by crook.:|

 

[kulture]

Actually Earl, you are wrong. We were talking about manufacturer's accountability and the individual phone owner's accountability. You should know this, you started the topic.

 

Actually Earl, you are wrong. We were talking about manufacturer's accountability and the individual phone owner's accountability. You should know this, you started the topic.

Well I think we are probably talking about ignorance by all parties in expecting wireless communications to be safe from prying ears.

I suspect that may be the reason the Germans invented the enigma machines.

But I do think mobile phone manufacturers should publish the fact that wireless communication is not secure along with a warning about the risk of brain cancer .

But then morality and business have never been happy bed fellows.

 

[internetspaceships]

Actually Earl, you are wrong. We were talking about manufacturer's accountability and the individual phone owner's accountability. You should know this, you started the topic.

Come, on, by the time it's three posts into the thread, Earl's already forgotten what it was about

 

[Beachcomber]

not necessarily, if your paying for a digital service such as a mobile phone networks surely they are obliged to protect your info, just as much as your bank would be to protect your data and info. For instance if Payapl left an open gap where anyone could log in to our account in such a simple method there would be an outcry!

Not really.

Sure - a bank has a responsibility to protect your money and information, but you also have a responsibility not to put a sticker on your card with the pin number on it or have your banking passwords on a post-it note on your desk!

Relying on the presumed actions of others to ensure your security is lazieness.

 

Relying on the presumed actions of others to ensure your security is lazieness.

So we should all take our money out of the banks.?

 

[Beachcomber]

So we should all take our money out of the banks.?

'ere we go again...............

Certain levels of security are specified - if added levels are presumed then this is the fault of the customer, not the bank.

If mobile signals are secure to a certain level, but total security is presumed, despite it never being implied, then any breach of security is the fault of the user, not the network / phone company.

......or do you need a label telling you that drinking petrol is bad for your health or not to put the pointy bit of a knife through your heart as it may cause discomfort and injury?

Personal accountability and responsibility.

 

[mobyme]

I suppose one way that the manufacturers could have escaped any criticism regarding security would have been to make the voicemail inoperative without the provision of a custom pin number.
Providing a default pin with the benefit of hindsight was and is crackers.

 

[owas]

Well the reports out and what a load of rubbish that is,

Press Complaints Commission would be replaced by a new, tougher body governed by an independent board, appointed without interference from the newspaper industry or the government. Funding would come from the industry

but of course the PM being the pm, is not for this idea, hmm I wonder why?

 

[Nuno]

Well the reports out and what a load of rubbish that is,



but of course the PM being the pm, is not for this idea, hmm I wonder why?

I can tell you if you want, but I think that you have your own theory why the PM wants to avoid statutory regulation. Care to share?

 

As said a complete waste of money and time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20571526