Lets be honest website designers....

Denchr

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How much money can your average website designer make UK good old pounds per year???

There is only so many hours in a day after all, I am seeing web designers boasting of big bucks....

But lets talk about the average freelancer..... making general sites for small/medium businesses....


HOW MUCH ARE Y'ALL MAKING??


I rekon 25k TOPS!
 
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Because the likes of those Youtube adverts promise it, and people buy it. In fact they promise more than £25k, its more like a life style of being free and hipster. They annoy the crap out of me tbh. I used to teach it and it would be easy to make those claims, people are queueing (or at least were, can't speak about last 2/3 years) to believe it all.

Plus if you've come from a regular non-supervisory office position, £25k is going to sound a lot. That's if someone NQ would command that. Doubt it myself. The adverts are full of what a difference some education is going to make but I don't see the list of actual people having done actual work being published anywhere.

I wouldn't do it for a big clock, I did a bit before the teaching then taught it for years and its a lot of work for the return.
 
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Why spend thousands on courses, a few books off Amazon and online tutorials give you a starting block. Everything else is learnt through experience and finding solutions to real world requirements as you come across them

Yes, it's a lot of hard work and sometimes it can be seriously stressful but I love my business.

I get to work with a totally different mix of people all the time and the more I put into it, the more it grows and the more I get out and I get genuine satisfaction from seeing people do well from their sites.
 
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Faevilangel

I make more than enough to live comfortably but I also get the freedom to work when I need / want to and can enjoy life... as long as my bills are paid I couldn't give 2 hoots about money.

Working it out though, a typical freelancer will be charging upto £1k for a cms based website, and could do 2/3 simple websites a week if they worked 10 hours a day, so £1k x 3 x 4 x 12 = £144k

Now they won't work every week and won't have 2/3 jobs a week so lets round them down to

£1k

1 job a week (average)

35 working weeks a year

this is £35k a year

There is money to be made if you're good at what you do and market yourself well, and still have the freedom to work when you want.

I know of many freelancers turning £100k+ because they charge the right amount for the time and experience, meaning they can earn enough without being overrun with work.
 
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Dencher,



Well, the factor that you seem not to take into consideration is that most people do web design on a part-time basis, not so much for the extra income but because it is, after all, a very enjoyable activity that let's one be a bit more creative.


Lastly, if one does wish to work in web design a bit more professionally, there are plenty of fairly high-paying jobs out there and, often, the entry requirements are as low as Zend and Magento certificates plus a one or two years of experience which, given that most junior quant jobs, often regarded as very financially rewarding, require a PhD plus professional qualifications such as CFA or FRM and pay little above 50k, is actually not that bad. I mean, every profession or trade might seem very bad or very good at first sight to a degree, but things are actually more even than they seem, in my opinion at least, with plenty of window cleaners making more than, say, a solicitor just like there are plenty of web companies receiving over 100k for a website.
 
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Denchr

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Dencher,



Well, the factor that you seem not to take into consideration is that most people do web design on a part-time basis, not so much for the extra income but because it is, after all, a very enjoyable activity that let's one be a bit more creative.


Lastly, if one does wish to work in web design a bit more professionally, there are plenty of fairly high-paying jobs out there and, often, the entry requirements are as low as Zend and Magento certificates plus a one or two years of experience which, given that most junior quant jobs, often regarded as very financially rewarding, require a PhD plus professional qualifications such as CFA or FRM and pay little above 50k, is actually not that bad. I mean, every profession or trade might seem very bad or very good at first sight to a degree, but things are actually more even than they seem, in my opinion at least, with plenty of window cleaners making more than, say, a solicitor just like there are plenty of web companies receiving over 100k for a website.



I agree, employed web designers can earn a lot more than freelance for good companies.

But simply being you average web designer which most who train to be will end up doing will not be as financially rewarding as they might expect.
 
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Denchr

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''could do 2/3 simple websites a week if they worked 10 hours a day''

A decent CMS website will take a minimum of 1/2 weeks to plan, design and develop. Your talking about a wordpress fanatic who thinks their a website designer. If I paid a website designer and they made my site in a week along with two others I would hit the roof - that is not a website designer.
 
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Faevilangel

''could do 2/3 simple websites a week if they worked 10 hours a day''

A decent CMS website will take a minimum of 1/2 weeks to plan, design and develop. Your talking about a wordpress fanatic who thinks their a website designer. If I paid a website designer and they made my site in a week along with two others I would hit the roof - that is not a website designer.

It depends on how quick they work, from a PSD I can convert it to WordPress and have it finished in 2 days as I know what I am doing.
 
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How much money can your average website designer make UK good old pounds per year???

There is only so many hours in a day after all, I am seeing web designers boasting of big bucks....

But lets talk about the average freelancer..... making general sites for small/medium businesses....


HOW MUCH ARE Y'ALL MAKING??


I rekon 25k TOPS!

Complete arrogance. UK Labour Market:- In the UK a million people are on zero hour contracts not guaranteed any work. A lot are working below the minimum wage and so many more are on the minimum wage... in reality £25k is a good salary. Furthermore the majority of entrepreneurs are working 60 hours per week for around that or less - most are working for £14-18k per year when income permits it.

The three main reasons people are a freelancer:-
1) highly skilled individual prefer to work on projects using their initiative as self-employed as it makes them more money than a salaried job and have better job satisfaction
2) a professional looking for additional work on the side - especially if work part time or on the lower range of full time (i.e. 30-35 hours per week)
3) someone unemployed proactively looking to utilise their skills instead of being just another statistic

For #1, £25k is tiny. For #2 and #3, £25k is a really good salary/income from it.

An average website designer? Looking at an average of £500 per week top end (just over the £25k) probably more likely £300 per week average.

By 'average' I am assuming:-
1) no formal qualifications or past experience in the industry for an employer
2) some significant experience of doing the work before and aged under 25
3) using the right tools but not too expert at it, and not too bright so everything is from scratch
4) not utilising networking to get clients, and
5) relying on freelance websites to get work

Bottom end freelancers struggle. Its not that easy to get the work and its hard to compete with cheaper labour from developing countries when solely relying on the freelance websites out there. You begin without a portfolio... discounts to get a portfolio, gets people suspicious, especially when you are beating price of the typical like-for-like quote from India or Brazil etc.

One of the latest website developers on my team struggled as a self-employed freelance web designer, the youngster found it near impossible to get the work even with a good checkable portfolio and was making no where near £20k let alone £25k. It wasn't so easy for him to get a job as employers were suspicious that his self-employment was a nice way of putting "unemployed". The guy is a whizz kid... he types code like he was typing a word document. A very good investment employing him; he began only as a junior, but with training and support from the senior developers, now he is at the standard where we would have to pay him double his current salary if he came with that training. Furthermore, he is a good bloke and enjoys the work he does.
 
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A lot of freelancers have their niche.

Focus on open source CMS... i.e. joomla, wordpress themes and the like.

For design everything should be rather bespoke but when it comes to coding a lot of efficiency can be achieved from using the same (updated) code base for most of it. As already stated a lot of delays can be communication and getting content from the client. This can be a good thing when managing your workload. However, its only ever a big problem when you are awaiting payment in part of full after you have done the work. If you have the sense to get paid upfront, either in full or half, then its less of an issue.
 
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Everyone rushing out spending thousands on courses and software for 25k a year + all the stress for what???


Not worth it IMO

I can honestly say I have never "rushed out spending thousands" on courses and software. How about buying some books (£100), research on the web (free and so many resources for free) and buy sublime text ($50) and then get going. I think i've spent about £200 max if that?

I have worked as a freelance designer and developer for the last 12 months after working for various digital agencies in the North East area for 3 years I decided to leave and work for myself. In the years I have worked as a developer I have worked from many parts of the world when I want on projects that I have really enjoyed. I have worked with clients such as Victoria Pendleton, Manchester United FC and some decent size Academic Institutions.

I'm not so sure where you got the £24/25k from. What research was that from? Thats normally just over a starting wage?

There is lot's of worth being a web designer or developer. Working from any where I want at any time I want is just a few reason I love being a web developer, and I can assure you there are plenty more.
 
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