Is anyone used paymentsense.co.uk gateway and merchant service?

emotion-2003

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Hello
i did build my e-commerce website.I am going to add gateway and merchant account soon. I am still looking for safe and secure site. There are many offers but as usual lots of details with % .Be honest I am very confused with that.as i am new on online retail business.

I found paymentsense.co.uk and they offer £10 monthly.I don't know is there any hidden fees. I feel that i need mobile card reader for payment when i deliver goods to customers.Do really i need it?
Is anyone using this company and have experience please?

I ll be very happy to give me some advice about gateway and merchant account.

Thanks
 
...I am going to add gateway and merchant account soon. I am still looking for safe and secure site. There are many offers but as usual lots of details with % .Be honest I am very confused with that.as i am new on online retail business...

I feel that i need mobile card reader for payment when i deliver goods to customers.Do really i need it?

Hello emotion-2003.

It seems as if you are new to ecommerce. For this reason you should be careful of contracting yourself to a service that charges you a monthly fee, particularly if you don't have a lot of money to begin with.

You also have a concern about whether you need a mobile card reader. This is typically a high cost option; why don't you try ecommerce only to start with and then see whether you need a payment device as well?

I work for Nochex.com; like PayPal you don't have to pay a monthly fee to open an account. In your position I would consider Nochex.com and PayPal before committing myself to a monthly fee.
 
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Evelyn Feng

Hi, emotion-2003, I don't want to say any bad things about Payment Sense. I just tell you my experience. You judge.

We started to set up our online shop in June, at the same time, we were negotiating with our supplier about products, i.e. we had nothing to sell online at that moment. But we thought it might be useful to contact payment providers to prepare everything. We contacted three companies. One had a hefty fees that was very unreasonable. The second wouldn't discuss any details unless and until we have a Bill of Lading to show them that we have products to sell. The third one, Payment Sense, being enthusiastic and offered a low fee, just as you said, £10 per month (Please be careful of this £10. There is a catch. On top of this £10, you need to generate a certain amount of money for them; otherwise, another £20 will be charged to you).

I was in charge of our website but I had no programming background and I wasn't in the country at that time. My partner, without much IT knowledge, told that Payment Sense salesman that (1) we were just starting, a two men band, (2) neither of us had any coding background, (3) we had no idea of how the payment gateway worked; and (4) we use opencart.

The Payment Sense salesman answered: (1) the integration is very simple, 45-minute job (2) opencart is fine, compatible with them (3) we'll be guided through.

Hearing this, my partner decided to proceed. In just three days, the account was set up and they started to charge us. This efficiency wasn't welcome, because we had nothing to sell. My partner raised this issue, so they refunded the first month charge and and started charging from the second month. Again, it was too quick, as our products were still in a container on a ship. We were paying Payment Sense for a service that didn't exist. However, I took it as their "efficiency", so we didn't say much.

However, two weeks before my container arrived, my website was almost done. So I started to look into the documentation to complete the "the 45-minute job" integration. To put a long story short, the documentation sent to us is entirely for programmers to use. We've been provided with no proper documentation or guidance at all. Their 24x7 support is a sham: I made calls in the evening and nobody answered; emails sent at 3pm on a Friday afternoon were replied on Monday morning at 11am. After several emails, I was told, my Hosting service provider wasn't right, and my hosting plan wasn't compatible with their payment gateway. In order to use Payment Sense, I have to change my hosting service provider and my hosting plan.

At this point, we have already paid almost £200, for account set up and monthly charges. And, we haven't even integrated with them. To save your time, I won't go into details of other bits and bobs with their customer service.

The ending of this story is, financial ombudsman will be involved. I want my money back because P. S. provided inappropriate financial advice.
 
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emotion-2003

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Thanks for advice Evelyn,
I am with BigCommerce. When i go to set up payment methods page Bigcommerce giving different options. as ''PayPal, HSBC, Stripe ''.

When you set up STRIPE you don't need merchant account.But you need a SSL certificate.

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SETUP FEEVALIDATION FEETRANSACTION FEE
$0$02.9% + 30¢
Per successful charge

Sadly i review Facebook page of Payment Sense and looks like nobody happy with service at all.
 
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Evelyn Feng

An SSL certificate is a must have for e-commerce site. SSL certificates' prices vary a lot, from £8 to several hundred pounds. I just use the cheapest, so my site will show https:// instead of http://, and also there's a padlock sign.

Go for those who doesn't charge us a set up fee. I can't see any point of the set up fee, simply a name for getting money out of us. So that 0% is good. 2.9%+30 cents (is it Euro?) isn't cheap, but still cheaper than what I'm paying for PayPal, which is £3.5%+20p. I'll see whether my Opencart has this STRIPE or not.
 
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Hi emotion-2003.

There are a lot of payment gateway companies out there so it is understandable that you are confused. I work for a UK based payment gateway called Cardstream. We offer a simple monthly fee of £18 per month (rolling no contract) and a flat rate of 9.9p per transaction which is the lowest transaction fees against other payment gateways. There are no hidden fees. We have a team of technicians that may aid you with free integration with our modules to your shopping cart.

Hope this helps.
Cardstream Payment Gateway
0845 00 99 575-------------------------------------------
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Evelyn Feng

Just checked the Cardstream Payment Gateway: "We have a straightforward monthly fee of just £18 per month, which includes 350 transactions FREE every month. Each additional transaction over and above your inclusive monthly allowance is charged at only 9.9p per transaction."

Too good to be true. I'm paying around £5 for each transaction via PayPayl. If this Cardstream is really so cheap, I'll be over the moon. Will call on Monday to ask for more details. Still can't believe it.
 
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    Just checked the Cardstream Payment Gateway: "We have a straightforward monthly fee of just £18 per month, which includes 350 transactions FREE every month. Each additional transaction over and above your inclusive monthly allowance is charged at only 9.9p per transaction."

    Too good to be true. I'm paying around £5 for each transaction via PayPayl. If this Cardstream is really so cheap, I'll be over the moon. Will call on Monday to ask for more details. Still can't believe it.

    That will just be the price for using the gateway itself. On top of that, you will need a merchant account, which will charge you a fee for each transaction.

    It's a decent price, but it's not spectacular. Worldpay charges £19.95, with 350 transactions and 10p per transaction over that.
     
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    Hello Evelyn.

    As it seems you are very cost conscious, can I suggest Nochex.com to you? There is currently no set-up fee and no monthly fee; you pay just 2.9% + 20p per transaction. This covers both merchant account and payment gateway charge.

    Our integration software genuinely is easy to set-up, it is designed for start-ups like yours, and we have an integration team standing by to help you if you do need it.

    The fact that there is no monthly fee means there is no penalty if you wish to switch to a different supplier when you get economies of scale. You will also find that a successful trading history with Nochex is invaluable in terms of attracting other payment providers for your business when you have scale!

    Happy and prosperous new year to you!
     
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    japancool

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    In comparison to a flat charge for all transactions, if you get a merchant account, you'll usually be charged a flat amount for debit card transactions, something like 15-25p, and a percentage of credit card transactions, perhaps 1.5-2.5%, depending on what you sell and your business' profile.

    I recommend getting a quote from cardswitcher.co.uk, and see what you're offered.
     
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    Hi

    I am sorry to hear about your difficulties with Payment Sense but I am afraid part of the problem would appear to be that you have underestimated the effort involved in integrating your shopping cart to the payment gateway. The advice you were given would have been based on your using a competent web developer to undertake the integration with Open Cart.

    Also we do clearly explain at the point of sale that we will provision your new merchant account and gateway 24 hours after your application has been approved, at which point it then becomes chargeable. If you were aware that you would not be trading for a period why not wait until you were almost ready to go live before submitting your application to PS ?

    Re the fees the £ 10 is for the gateway only, you then have the Merchant account charges as well which are always a min of £ 19.99 PCM.

    We have many many fully operational ecommerce websites running with OpenCart, so I can only presume that the issues you ran into were unrelated to your choice of shopping cart, and as you mention were an issue re your Hosting provider which again is unusual but not unheard of.

    To put this into perspective there are in excess of 30K websites using our gateway platform in the UK currently.

    If you would like to PM me your details ( name, trading postcode, web site URL) I will raise an internal case for you to see what we can do to resolve the issues you have had, and if appropriate resolve any o/s issues that you are currently having.

    Kind regards

    Mark
     
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    Tx for this Evelyn,

    I agree that it would appear based on the information you have provided in your post, that the rep may have not been as clear as they should have been re the technical elements involved, and the need for a developer skilled appropriately.to implement your requirements.

    Unfortunately there will always be a level of technical integration required when implementing a payment gateway to a website and your choice of shopping cart, and as an Organisation PS will always offer to assist its merchants with this activity but they will never take responsibility for the actual integration work, hence the provision of the various test tools, API's and documentation to assist you in this process as available on our developer resources website.

    If you would like me to intercede to see if we can address your concerns and hopefully assist you, I will need your details (via a PM if you prefer) to enable me to investigate further and hopefully reach a mutually acceptable solution if that is what you want ?
     
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    Hi Evelyn

    I now have a fuller understanding of your experience with PaymentSense and I think that in fairness to them, you have been a little harsh as far as the explanation and support you received.

    Go Daddy.com are well known for being a difficult Hosting Provider ( low cost tends to equal equivalent service) to work with and tend to be one size fits all and they choose not to allow certain ports to be opened up on their services, this is not something that PaymentSense or any other Gateway provider can Police or control..

    I know there was a considerable level of dialogue, but I cannot help but conclude that you entered into a trading agreement before you were actually ready to start trading, so you could have delayed and saved yourself the operating costs until you were ready to go live.

    I also think that you should have engaged an experienced developer to assist you with the integration work, as I suspect your lack of technical knowledge / skills in this area also contributed to your issues, as you appear to have got yourselves into difficulty as a result of your not understanding the processes involved.

    Again you were advised the time required for a suitably skilled developer to implement using the methodology as suggested (Hosted Integration) would be 45 mins. However I understand you then decided not to follow that suggestion ?

    I appreciate that you have now cancelled your service with PS, however you will hit the same issues, whoever you decide to use for your Payment Gateway / Merchant Account unless you have somebody who has the skills to complete the integration work on your site as part of your implementation plan.

    Good luck with your business though and I hope you are now trading successfully.

    Mark
     
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    Hi

    I am sorry to hear about your difficulties with Payment Sense but I am afraid part of the problem would appear to be that you have underestimated the effort involved in integrating your shopping cart to the payment gateway.

    Re the fees the £ 10 is for the gateway only, you then have the Merchant account charges as well which are always a min of £ 19.99 PCM.


    Kind regards

    Mark

    It would be nice if people were upfront about all the charges, rather than be economical with truth.

    Do you charge any setup fees?
     
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    Evelyn Feng

    Hi, Mark. You spent quite some time on writing a post to criticise us. You succeeded in angering me and made me feel determined to finish my complaint to the Financial Ombudsman tomorrow.

    You conclude that we "entered into a trading agreement before we were actually ready to start trading, so we could have delayed and saved ourselves the operating costs until we were ready to go live."

    What wonderful comments! I wish that Payment Sense sales guy had a little bit sense like you, rather than rushing us into signing a contract.

    As my first post said, we got in touch with three companies. The first had a very high fee, the second wouldn't even go into further details until we had the Bill of Lading and they told us it would take several weeks to set up our account. Payment Sense was the third we contacted, and because of the second company's "several weeks" impression, we thought it might take some time for Payment Sense as well, so no harm to ask, right?

    You're active in this UK Business Forum, why? Because you are looking for potential clients, right? You don't mind people asking for some questions about payment gateways, you answer them, then you invite them to consider Payment Sense, am I right? ----- So, why you now said, we should wait?

    Tell you some facts. We started trading in October, now we are on our second container. We paid PayPal £600 in fees. Do you think, we started looking for a payment gateway too early? If Payment Sense treated us properly, Payment Sense and us could have been in a win-win situation.

    As your other bizarre comments, I have no time to argue. I used to work in an investment bank in the City, so I know all the sales calls must be tape recorded. So, simple, let the Financial Ombudsman listen to the tape recording and decide who is responsible.

    As to our business, it is going very well. Whether or not to involve a "suitably skilled developer" will depend on our business needs, but will not be merely for the purpose of integrating a payment gateway. I drink milk, but I don't need to have a cow in my back garden.
     
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    You would have found yourself in the same situation no matter which gateway you used. If your shopping cart software didn't already have a plugin to integrate with whichever gateway you chose, you would have had to hire a developer to do the integration for you.

    You mentioned that you felt misled by the fact that PaymentSense charge £10 for the gateway, plus a certain amount for each transaction up to £20. I'm assuming you got your merchant account with PaymentSense as well. This charging model is quite common amongst almost all the gateway providers. You get charged a fixed price for using the gateway, and another fee per transaction for the merchant account, and there is often a minimum amount per month.

    And the contract for your gateway and IMA starts as soon as it is set up. Again, this is completely normal for any kind of service contract, not just payment gateways. If you hire a car and you don't drive it, you still have to pay the rental. Just because you're not using the service, that's not the fault of the provider. If you open a bank account that has fees associated with it, you will still get charged the fees even if you don't pay money into it, so why on earth would you expect this to be any different?

    I don't use PaymentSense because their gateway isn't compatible with my shopping cart. I bothered to check that before deciding to go ahead with any contract with them.
     
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    PaymentSense is always very clear about the gateway and Merchant account charges, and all fully details all the relevant fees within their quotations which forms the basis of the agreement that the Merchant signs up to, so there are no "hidden charges". This merchant did have all the applicable charges laid out to them as part of their offer.

    As with any service offering, you should always review the offer you are made in full, and if you are not sure as to why there is a charge query it, so you can ensure you are fully aware of what you are signing up to.

    In the case of ecommerce PS do charge a setup fee to provision the solution as there is no underlying lease agreement to fund the set up costs for the service and associated Merchant account. This is quite normal in the industry although some providers will charge a lower set up fee but recover their set up costs through higher operating costs or other charges within their agreements.
     
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    I am really confused about the charges that Payment sense are talking about. We have been speaking with a rep about an account with you and have been told that the payment gateway and merchant account are all included in the cost of £14.95 per month but from what I have been reading on here, the payment gateway is one fee and then there is an additional fee of £19.95 for the merchant account. Can Mark please confirm what charges there would be.

    We have been told that all we will pay is the monthly payment of £14.95 and then the card payment fees. There is no mention of PCI compliance fees as we were told it was included in the £14.95 for hosted integration.
     
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    Hi

    Happy to clarify for you as follows:-

    The £ 14.95 is the Gateway fee which allows you to process up to £ 4K PCM in transactions.
    The £ 19.95 is the Min Monthly Service Charge which is made up of your Debit and Credit card acquiring fees and the authorisation fees, so if you generate less than £ 19.95 PCM in fees then the diff is charged, so if you do £ 20.00 a month in card fees no additional cost is levied, but if you do say £ 18.00 in a month, then £ 1.95 is added to the account.

    PCI Management fees are paid for by PS for your first year that you are a Merchant of ours, thereafter it is £ 4.99 PCM month 13 onwards.

    Hope this helps, if not please do PM me and I will assist you further if possible.

    Rgds

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    Baby Boxes

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    Thanks for that Mark. Not totally happy with the information that we have been given by one of the agents. He is being very selective with what we have been told and I feel that as there is no transparency over charges, then maybe PS is not for us. Shame really as you seemed to be offering what we wanted at an affordable price. We asked directly about the PCI costs and were told that it was included in the monthly fee with no mention of it only being free for 12 months. No mention of a minimum monthly card fee - just the individual card charges. We asked if there was any further charges and were told NO, just the monthly gateway fee and the card payment charges.
     
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    Thanks for that Mark. Not totally happy with the information that we have been given by one of the agents. He is being very selective with what we have been told and I feel that as there is no transparency over charges, then maybe PS is not for us. Shame really as you seemed to be offering what we wanted at an affordable price. We asked directly about the PCI costs and were told that it was included in the monthly fee with no mention of it only being free for 12 months. No mention of a minimum monthly card fee - just the individual card charges. We asked if there was any further charges and were told NO, just the monthly gateway fee and the card payment charges.
    We also were told that PCI charges are free.
    If I find out there is a £5pm charge I will be more than annoyed when I asked specifically as I pressed and pressed the agent to let me know every single possible charge and this was not mentioned.
     
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