iPad app that customers can sign into when they enter?

TallBox

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Hi

I'm looking for some sort of app that I can install on one or two iPads whereby customers who enter the premises sign in using a unique PIN no (that is already given to them), which then logs their entry (and ideally) links it to an Excel file.

At the end of it, I would like to have an Excel file (or similar) that gives a completed register of all the customers that have entered.

Any ideas??

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gmeyrick

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Hi. Do you still need help with this? I'm an app developer who's on the verge of going self-employed so this might be something I can assist you with.

In any case, I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have. I've got quite a lot of experience in this area so I might be able to point you in the right direction. There may well be a free/low cost option which could be useful to other members. Feel free to get in touch and let me know a bit more about the problem.
 
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Personally I wouldn't use an iPad for that kind of thing, I would choose a decent Digital Kiosk, many support Flash so you could build your app in Flash as opposed to xCode or AIR; which is cheaper to develop.


Also Kiosks are built for the purpose, so are more durable, mobiles and tablets are actually fairly delicate in comparison and could easily get damaged.

Let's say for example, you have a sign in app in the reception of an office, executive walks in carrying their carton of coffee and spills it over the device.

Most good kiosks are water proof, so it would need a clean, however an iPad will be knackered.

Or maybe someone with rings, scratches the screen; again good kiosks are built to be more durable. They aren't as "throwaway" where mobiles and tablets are.


You will spend a bit of money, but it would probably work out better and cheaper long term, after people have buggered your expensive iPad and you are replacing them every 6 months.


ETA, you cannot create an app that over-rides iOS or cannot be closed; not without jailbreaking and modifying iOS; which would break the license agreement and is of course illegal.
 
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...this isn't the case. Check out "Guided Access" in iOS6 - it's designed for accessibility but it's great for kiosk-style apps.

I deliberately ignored guided access for a few reasons. And if you read what I said again, its still true with guided access. You cannot code an app that is non-closable or make the OS only able to run that app. Guided Access is a flick on / flick off feature; so I don't think its really sufficient in the real world.


1. It's a very new feature so isn't security proven. So I err on the side of caution there.

2. It needs to be manually enabled when you start the app, its really, really easy to forget to turn it on. To use a security feature that needs to be turned on every time you start the app is not exactly wise IMO.


So while you are correct, you could use Guided Access, I would't say its really the right feature if you need to lock an app down in a business environment.

Anyway, that was only one of the issues and was an aside rather than "the issue".
 
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gmeyrick

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OK, fair enough, it was only a suggestion. I just though it was useful to point out.

We're going off on a bit of a tangent here but, for what it's worth, based on my experiences...


...its[sic] still true with guided access. You cannot code an app that is non-closable or make the OS only able to run that app. Guided Access is a flick on / flick off feature; so I don't think its really sufficient in the real world.
I guess it depends on the situation. I've worked on some kiosk-type apps for the heritage sector and it seemed to work well enough.

1. It's a very new feature so isn't security proven. So I err on the side of caution there.
I see where you're coming from but I suppose it just depends on the circumstances - if you want something that's absolutely tried and tested then you may just need to forego some of the latest tech until the security has been proven.

2. It needs to be manually enabled when you start the app, its really, really easy to forget to turn it on. To use a security feature that needs to be turned on every time you start the app is not exactly wise IMO.
We've only used one app at a time (on a kiosk) so this hasn't really been much of an issue for us.

Anyway, that was only one of the issues and was an aside rather than "the issue".
Was your main point that iPads aren't waterproof/durable? On their own, yes, but there iPad kiosk options on the market; admittedly, they can often be pretty expensive and a little over-engineered though.
 
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OK, fair enough, it was only a suggestion. I just though it was useful to point out.

Sure, I get that; I was just offering my thoughts on it :)


I guess it depends on the situation. I've worked on some kiosk-type apps for the heritage sector and it seemed to work well enough.

I see where you're coming from but I suppose it just depends on the circumstances - if you want something that's absolutely tried and tested then you may just need to forego some of the latest tech until the security has been proven.

Of course, everything is circumstantial. I always assume security is needed in a discussion rather than to assume it isn't; at least if you highlight the potential issue, the person on the other end can make an informed decision as to whether it's important to them.


We've only used one app at a time (on a kiosk) so this hasn't really been much of an issue for us.

I'm not sure how that relates to the issue. It doesn't matter if you are only using one app at a time on the kiosk.

I'll preface this by saying, I haven't looked at every facet of iOS 6 in detail yet and have only really glanced at guided access, so I may be missing something here.

But as far as I am aware, you have to tap the home button three times and then tap "begin" to start guided access; and there is no persistent on-screen notification to tell you that it's active.


So assuming I've not overlooked anything, my point was something akin to this:

You have a kiosk in the reception, it's Jane the receptionists task to start the kiosk every morning.

She turns the iPad on, opens the kiosk app and then locks it down by pressing the home button three times and tapping begin (maybe setting screen areas too).

That last step, will be forgotten or maybe considered unimportant by the receptionist, thus ignored. She will start the app and then wander off to do the billion other things she has to do this morning.

As not to upset any receptionists called Jane, replace reception area, receptionist and Jane with whatever location and employee you like; the scenario will always be the same. Nothing against receptionists who's name happens to be Jane.

That was where the problem lies; human error, complacency or forgetfulness.

If it's not important whether users can get to the dashboard and play with the device normally, then of course it doesn't matter. However if it does matter and you do not want them to be able to exit out of the app, then it is a problem.

So the issue is simply that the lockdown has to be administered when the app has been opened. It's a bit like having a firewall that has to be turned on manually after you have started the computer, limited usefulness in the real world as the employee will forget because to be frank, they have far more important things to do. Or as can be the case, the employee see's that task as trivial or "stupid"; so just doesn't bother.

Was your main point that iPads aren't waterproof/durable? On their own, yes, but there iPad kiosk options on the market; admittedly, they can often be pretty expensive and a little over-engineered though.

My main point was that I don't see an iPad as a cost effective way to deliver a kiosk; you can get the same end result with spending less money (both upfront and long term).

The iPad isn't as durable as a kiosk which is built for purpose, a decent iPad app will be more expensive to develop than a kiosk app (in say Flash)... well that's not entirely true as you can create native iPad apps using Adobe AIR; but you get the point.

I've seen a few tablet kiosk stands and I don't think they are all that, not without spending some money; and at that point you are really looking at being trendy rather than just providing utility.


Of course, for some, being trendy is important and if that's the case, then fine; but if it's not and utility and cost is what's important, then use a kiosk.
 
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