I want to become an Electrician

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  1. davidansell

    davidansell UKBF Newcomer

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    Hi,
    I have recently been thinking of training as an electrician,
    I am 23 years old and would love to do this full time
    I was wondering what the best path for this would be and your thoughts on this course provided by olci, I am very skeptical regarding companies such as this but they do seem to be partnered with Department for working pensions.

    According to www.OlCI.info on there website you require this qualification to become a fully certified electrician.

    City & Guilds Level 3 NVQ Diploma in Installing Electrotechnical Systems and Equipment (Buildings, Structures and the Environment) (2357)

    Any Idea's or Thoughts would be great.
     
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    Posted: Jun 11, 2012 By: davidansell Member since: Sep 22, 2011
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  2. Beachcomber

    Beachcomber UKBF Legend

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    Best bet is to contact your local colleges.
    They will have both full time and part time courses to get you on your way.

    Whatever you do - DO NOT even contemplate these learning centre 'get fully qualified in 10 weeks' places - 99% of them are scams offering non-industry recognised qualifications (despite clever wording and implications to the contrary) At best you will pay 5 times more for any training you receive than if you went the college route.

    Might also be worth visiting your local job centre careers advisor. They will have all the latest info regarding courses in your area.
     
    Posted: Jun 11, 2012 By: Beachcomber Member since: Apr 29, 2009
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  3. fiftyintheclip

    fiftyintheclip UKBF Contributor

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    Good advice above. I'm an electrician and personally think you would be better off training to be a plumber/gas engineer.

    The C&G 2330 in electrical installation is the standard qualification for an electrician. You'll then need to be able to inspect, test, and certify your own work if you want to be self employed which requires the 2391 (now the 2391 and 2392, I think, I know it has been fragmented into two courses). I think the 2330 is a waste of time, most of the students who have passed and then go on to take the 2391 know very little considering they've spent 3 years in college.

    Would you mind telling us what qualifications you have and what work you've done before? I was unemployed with 4 GCSE's when I was your age and went back to college to study to be an electrician.

    What would you like to end up doing? Work for yourself?

    My advice would be to buy Brian Scaddans book 'the 17th edition' which you'll get for about £10 on Amazon, have a read through this as it is basically what the 2330 course is centered around.
    Contact as many companies as possible asking for work experience. If you're keen enough to do a couple of weeks' unpaid work experience here and there and are a good worker then you'll be an asset as many firms are quiet at the moment. You may need to get yourself a CSCS card for H&S purposes.
     
    Posted: Jun 15, 2012 By: fiftyintheclip Member since: Dec 21, 2011
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  4. Cov2000

    Cov2000 UKBF Newcomer

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    What he said ^^^^^^

    We do a lot of electrics as a part of our work. It has the biggest outlay of all the work we do and generates the smallest return with the most hassle. The market is flooded with electricians and you won't make a decent living from it.

    I would either specialise in a specific area or choose another trade. If you think doing it will line you up for something in a few years and you have a longer plan then fair enough, but if it's a route you choose to take be prepared for a competitive marketplace so you'd better really enjoy it!

    And like he said don't pay out a fortune for a crap course promising you the earth

    Good luck
     
    Posted: Jun 20, 2012 By: Cov2000 Member since: Nov 29, 2011
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  5. fiftyintheclip

    fiftyintheclip UKBF Contributor

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    ^^^

    What he said, go for plumbing.
     
    Posted: Jun 20, 2012 By: fiftyintheclip Member since: Dec 21, 2011
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  6. fiftyintheclip

    fiftyintheclip UKBF Contributor

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    Any electrician who's making money is making it more from his entrepreneurial skills than from his technical ability as a spark.

    A few years back I was making a half decent living from sparking but the industry is flooded with red tape, none of which is enforced. The overheads are ridiculous, the net profit from plastering on site is probably comparable to the net profit of the average self employed spark.

    Just be aware of what you're getting into and have realistic expectations. There's more money and less hassle in plumbing, trust me. In my opinion electricians are the most over regulated, undervalued and underpaid trade. Most electric work is a 'grudge' purchase, most of what is not is 'middle maned' by builders, estate agents and a host of other ass holes who will significantly dilute the profit.

    if you get into sparking go with a view to get into kitchen fitting and doing your own electrics; and most importantly start developing your business skills, selling and marketing are crucial.
     
    Posted: Jun 20, 2012 By: fiftyintheclip Member since: Dec 21, 2011
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  7. fiftyintheclip

    fiftyintheclip UKBF Contributor

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    I agree, electrics is a HUGE pain in the backside, the profit to headache ratio is well out of balance IMO.
     
    Posted: Jun 20, 2012 By: fiftyintheclip Member since: Dec 21, 2011
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  8. MG Plastering Leeds

    MG Plastering Leeds UKBF Newcomer

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    too many swings and roundabouts now a days with electricians.
    the lad we use has to pay quite a bit of money out to keep up to current regs and other stuff bits rubbish really
     
    Posted: Jun 26, 2012 By: MG Plastering Leeds Member since: Jun 23, 2012
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  9. paulears

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    Backup to the warning about short courses. A business near me - a big one, just had to fire their head electrician when he instructed the apprentice to do something contrary to what the apprentice just learned on his two year apprenticeship course - The Head electrician was interviewed by the boss with the notes from the apprentices coursework and hadn't a clue what a certain type of installation was - yet had been signing it off on his inspections for a number of years. They asked him to bring in his qualification certificate and it was one of the short course top-ups - not at all what was required. They'd determined from the apprentices college that the apprentice was actually more qualified already than the boss!

    Going to college full time to do it often needs you able to carry out real work - so sometimes they need you to get a sponsor. Talk to them and ask.
     
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  10. markymark981

    markymark981 UKBF Newcomer

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    Hi David I joined OLCI and since April 2012, I have completed my EAL domestic installers with part P qualification, 17th regs and PAT testing and I cannot fault the training they provide...yes finding work could be a challenge but what is easy in this world nowadays!

    If you can afford it go for it!
     
    Posted: Jul 2, 2012 By: markymark981 Member since: Jul 2, 2012
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  11. CAEDAN

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    If you like Electrics, why not try auto electrics?? In far more demand as there are very few specialists - and with cars becoming more and more reliant on electrics and electronics, you can catch the wave by the time you qualify.

    That said, I havn't seen a struggling plumber or gas/oil engineer either!! Depends on where you live - look what is around you - some rural areas may have a demand for oil engineers, or LPG engineers.
     
    Posted: Jul 5, 2012 By: CAEDAN Member since: Jul 4, 2012
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  12. Robs

    Robs UKBF Regular

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    I don't know any sparks out of work but i do know plenty of plumbers who are out of work. It also depends within your local area, see how many jobs are going.
    Electricians don't have to be Licensed unlike gas engineers, you got to fork out a grand every five just to stay in the domestic gas industry and if your going self employed £450 for the first year, then £175 after that. On top of that if i go commercial then i got pay extra training and exam fees every five years. lot £££££££££ wonga for 20k-35k. Also wages are dropping.

    If your 23 then you can still do an apprenticeship with local councils, SSE etc or as said go to your local college that does sparky courses. Do a taster course to see if its for you. Brush up on your maths. homes law for either sparky or Heating engineers posts.

    If your going down the plumbing route then get an apprenticeship stay away from training centres, local college is better. their also may be funding available for you. Contact the local sparks in their area to see if their willing to take on trainee or start as a mate.


    Only use a training centre if and i mean if their exam are cheaper than the local college.
     
    Posted: Jul 5, 2012 By: Robs Member since: Jun 22, 2008
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  13. blinkingspirit

    blinkingspirit UKBF Newcomer

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    It seems like a job that's not going anywhere at least - people are going to have electrics in 40 years, they're going to have running water, and one's going to pour in and mess up the other :)
     
    Posted: Jul 6, 2012 By: blinkingspirit Member since: Jul 4, 2012
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  14. Orrell Electrics

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    Go for it I make a pretty decent living out of it, as people have said the red tape is a pain and many of your customers do not understand this and expect you to install a socket for a tenner seriously!!

    There are so many jokes out there who call themselves sparks if you are good at your job you will be in demand.

    Do not do any short courses - we have a saying for those guys 5ww's

    5 week wonders, 10 years roughly you will be training for and I estimate it will cost you 10 - 15k to get qualified.

    Good luck!
     
    Posted: Jul 9, 2012 By: Orrell Electrics Member since: May 17, 2012
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  15. RobertOrtegra

    RobertOrtegra UKBF Newcomer

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    There are quite a few Electrical Apprenticeships available on the 'Not Going To Uni' website... Helped me with my apprenticeship...
     
    Posted: Oct 10, 2012 By: RobertOrtegra Member since: Oct 10, 2012
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  16. Frimley111R

    Frimley111R UKBF Regular

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    Is the challenge not so much about the skills/red tape but more about the 'entrepreneurship', i.e. selling yourself? I seem to see lots of 'Learn to be a ......' courses but very few of them seem to cover 'Day 1', i.e. where/how do I find work?
     
    Posted: Nov 26, 2012 By: Frimley111R Member since: Nov 1, 2009
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  17. S-Marketing

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    That's what i'm for.;)
     
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  18. Just_a_bloke

    Just_a_bloke UKBF Newcomer

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    I'm in my 50's. I did a 4 year apprenticeship, plus 2 years 'improovership' (low pay for top rate work, hey ho).

    A few years ago I used to teach 1st year full time apprentices at a local technical college (full time = 3 days!). But now they're considered qualified after a couple of years, very annoying for people like me, but they don't have the in-depth training like I got. I too have encountered the 5ww's, and they're dangerous to be honest. Okay for an extra socket in a new kitchen, but... that's where it ends. There may be good 5ww courses, but I've not yet encountered them (I don't have time to do my own electrical work, hence employing others, usually by recommendation to keep a friend happy)

    With my grounding I was able to be a factory maintenance manager for 15 years till the company went bust. What would I do if I started again, well it would be electronics with specialising in robotics. Second choice automotive electronics which would cover things like ordinary cars to massive 500 ton dumpers! Now if you've not got the maths, plumbing or gas/combustion equipment.
     
    Posted: Dec 5, 2012 By: Just_a_bloke Member since: Sep 10, 2007
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  19. LED Lightworld

    LED Lightworld UKBF Regular

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    At 23, you are going to lose out to the younger lads. Companies get more incentives from the government to take on under 20's.
    A qualification without the site experience is not worth the paper its written on, we had a 24 year old lad, who had been at college for 3 years who didn't know what a pozzi screwdriver was!!
     
    Posted: Dec 5, 2012 By: LED Lightworld Member since: Jan 22, 2012
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  20. sueprice

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    My sons are in college doing bricklaying, my youngest eventually wants to build his own house, He is being advised to do painting and decorating, as he has a knack for it. Would you guys have a view on whether I should encourage him to carry on with his bricklaying or should I support him in changing courses after his first year? He is also looking for work to gain experience whilst in college, would he be allowed on a construction site at 16?
    Your comments/suggestions would be appreciated.
    Cheers
     
    Posted: Jan 3, 2013 By: sueprice Member since: Jan 29, 2012
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