How to set up my band as a business correctly

Rocker666

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Hi everyone this is my first post so be easy on me!
some general advice needed please ...

I have recently bought full P.A, lighting,Van and all that is needed to put a band on the road..
All equipment is second hand and I've spent around £10k I'd say

I've got a full band lined up all rehearsed and started playing gigs
I've never played professionally before or as my sole income but this is the route I'm now wanting to take.
Ive built up quite a full diary of dates playing mainly clubs,pubs and venues.
We will be hopfully playing around 100 gigs a year and should have a turnover of around
60k id say.

So....
What do I need to do next legally ? And what is the best way forward?
Im happy to do all the booking, promotion, negotiations etc but
I don't want to become an employer as such 'PAYE' if possible ...
Do I just ask for an invoice from each band member per week and transfer this to their bank account?
Making them responsible for their own tax ?
Do I form OR draw up a partnership, start ltd company?. I'm lost in what to do next
And don't want to set this up wrong...Then there's public liability insurance
I've joined the MU and this is included in the subscription but does this cover us correctly ?
Sorry for the amount of questions but I never thought it might be so complex putting a band on the road!,
I'm sure there's lots I've missed to ask too!
I guess it would be best to set up a meeting with a legal adviser or an accountant?
Any advice would be very very useful.
Thanks in advance ;)
 
1. What do I need to do next legally ? And what is the best way forward?

2. Do I just ask for an invoice from each band member per week and transfer this to their bank account? Making them responsible for their own tax ?

3.Do I form OR draw up a partnership, start ltd company?

4. Then there's public liability insurance - I've joined the MU and this is included in the subscription but does this cover us correctly ?

1. Decide who the band leader is, or what it is you want to get out of the band. Where you want the band to be in the future.

2. Yes.

3. You are already in a partnership. What you need is a partnership agreement. Sit down and work out what you each want and put that in a document.

4. Should be OK. Most venue owners will want to see that you have this.

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But to get you going, here's something I wrote earlier on this subject -

There are three main types of legal status of a musical act, employer, limited company and partnerships. Most larger acts are a mixture of two or even all three. A typical compound setup would be that of the Rolling Stones which is a limited company, with main shareholders, based on the older partnership, junior shareholders who are newer members, and free-lance employees who are the backing musicians, as well as sub-contractors and others.

Many orchestras are limited companies, owned by a partnership of senior musicians, with junior partners owning less and those coming to the orchestra for the first time, being first employees.

Employer
The typical employer-employee relationship is found in most created boy and girl bands and most orchestras. Here a body such as a management company (for the created boy and girl bands) or a broadcaster (for the orchestra) fill find suitable members and offer them either a fixed income, or a fixed term contract as free-lance musicians.

The employee would expect to be paid for all time spent working with that act and not just the days he or she performs.

Although most rock bands are partnerships of one sort or another, some (e.g. Roxy Music) are owned by one person, with all other members being paid for their time on the road.

Limited Company
Some bands prefer to set up a company where all band members are Directors and Shareholders.

The cost of ‘incorporating’, or setting up a company varies, but you should typically not pay more than £500 if the company is bought “off the shelf” from a company formation agent. The formal arrangement of a limited company can put off many musicians, but in the long run it may be preferable to informally working as a partnership.

It would not be advisable to incorporate a company unless the band has had a certain level of success. If the band is at such an early stage that it does not have any assets or liabilities and no goodwill has built up in the band name, the legal structure of the band is less of an issue. But if you have a recording agreement and the name of the band is quickly becoming a household name, the legal status of your band should be resolved as a matter of urgency.

Advantages of limited companies - Limited liability

One benefit of incorporating a company is the protection of limited liability. With a limited liability company, so long as you have not continued to trade and take on debts that you know you have no way of paying back, the directors of the company ( i.e. the band members) should not incur any personal liability and risk their own personal assets, if the company goes bust.

As a general rule, with a company if everything goes wrong, the most you should lose is whatever assets or income you had in the company.

On the other hand however, if the band is operating as a partnership, all partners are jointly liable for group liabilities and there is no limit to that liability, so for example it is possible that band members could lose their home, car or even musical instruments if the band falls into serious debt.

Whether a band decides to operate as a partnership or as a limited company, it is important that key issues are resolved between the band members at an early stage – for example what share of revenue each members expects. This can be formalised as an inter band agreement or a partnership agreement.

Partnerships
You may be surprised to find out that even without signing an agreement, when a band is formed, there is a presumption in law that a partnership has been formed. This is due to the Partnership Act of 1870. When several people are carrying on in business together with the same purpose, it is presumed that a partnership has been created.

Partnership Law
Partnership laws can have serious and far reaching effects on the internal administration of a band – and yet many bands do not even realise they are in a legal partnership.

Unless it is clearly expressed otherwise, partnership law states that all partners share the partnership assets and liabilities in equal shares.

This will include such things as

• The band name itself
• All of the band’s income (this can include the songwriter’s royalties)
• All of the band’s losses and expenses.

The partnership ends if one partner leaves

This can be quite serious for a successful band. If one partner leaves, the partnership must come to an end and all of the assets and liabilities of the partnership shared out equally.
The assets of the band might include the name of the band. As a founder member of the band you may think the name belongs to you but without an express partnership agreement to the contrary, if the band splits up, all members of the band would be equally entitled to the use of the name. The band members of Bucks Fizz have been fighting over the name of the band for many years for exactly this reason.

Another asset could be the future royalty income of the band. If it is not your intention to share all income equally, you should consider instructing a solicitor to draft a partnership agreement, which sets out how the income and liabilities of the band are to be shared and what happens if the band splits up or one member leaves.

If you do not like the idea of a partnership, there are other options available to you, such as one member owning all rights and paying the remaining members a fixed income.

Potential Issues of Concern to Musical Partnerships

1. Group Name - The ownership of the group name must be agreed and what happens to the name if the band splits up or if various members leave.

2. Partnership Property - The band members need to agree what they consider to be partnership property, so for example a new guitar is bought for the guitarist, does that become the guitarist’s personal property or is it a joint partnership asset which he has to return to the band if he leaves.

3. Sharing of Profits, Losses and Expenses - Remember that the presumption will be that all profits, losses and expenses are to be shared equally. If this is not the intention of the band members, any agreement should state very clearly how profits and losses are to be distributed.

4. Salary - If the band is in a position to pay each band member a salary then this should be specifically agreed in writing in the agreement.

5. New and Departing Members - It is usually when there are changes in the membership of a band that disputes arise. A good partnership agreement will set out clearly what the liabilities of a departing member will be and what right they have to future income (if any).

6. Voting - Partnership agreement should set out decisions within the band are to be determined. Partnership law assumes that each partner will be given one vote and that a group decision should be reached by a majority vote.

7. Expulsion - It is important for a partnership agreement to state exactly upon what basis band members can be expelled from the group. Many musicians would be surprised to realise that the Partnership Act provides that a partner may not be expelled, the only way to resolve this is for the partnership to split. Fame and fortune can turn your mates into monsters in a matter of weeks, and so you may consider it important that your partnership agreement allows for expulsion.

8. Royalties - In addition to a provision setting out how profits and losses should be distributed, it is advisable to include a provision setting out how publishing royalties are to be divided amongst the band. Again without an express provision clarifying this, all band members will share publishing royalties equally.

9. Dispute Resolution - Last but not least, a good partnership agreement should include a provision setting out how disputes within the band are to be resolved.
 
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Membership Change
Sometimes, a band member leaves and decides that they want to continue to use the bands name and logo. This can cause problems, for example when Roger Waters left Pink Floyd and the other band members got custody of the name. When a band member leaves, all group contracts are no longer deemed to include that person, but if that person has signed a recording or management agreement, they will still have certain obligations. The leaving member is entitled to take back any equipment he/she brought to the group, or to the value of same.

Who writes the song – who gets what share?
The song writing aspects of a musician’s career have the biggest financial impact, due to the fact that songwriting generates more revenue. The income from performance royalties will be sent to the writer or partly to his/her publisher. The recognised share from writing a song is usually divided into two, allowing 50% for the music and 50% for the lyrics.

Writers should agree and divide the shares at the beginning, not the end!

If group ‘A’ had a hit record written by four members, this following split may occur.

Lyrics written by Smith
Music written by Smith/jones/james/rogers

Shares are as follows:
Smith = 62.5%
Jones =12.5%
James =12.5%
Rogers =12.5%

The majority share will go to the person writing the lyric and a contribution to the musical composition. There are no shares recognised for arrangements!

Royalty shares on A and B-sides

The share of royalty income generated by writers was traditionally divided as to ‘A’ and ‘B’ sides on a record. With more common formats such as CD, the royalties might be divided ‘Pro-Rata’ (between the amount of tracks contained on that release). For example a CD single may contain four tracks. The writer(s) of each song would each receive 1⁄4 of the total publishing income. In the case of a compilation album, the writers would have a royalty shared between the various writers with tracks on that album.
 
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Ian666

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I did this last year. Slightly different circumstances as the band was already running. We started playing pubs and it was pocket money. Probably cost more to do than we made.
We then got into the wedding market and the money worried us so we went legit.
As my partner was also in the band we set up a Ltd company with the two of us as directors. The other band members invoice us per gig or per month. This also means we make the bookings and decisions on the band direction.
It is working well so far. The money is not an even split as you have many costs the other band members will be unaware and uninterested in. Web site, hosting, adwords, stationery, PAT testing, insurance, maintenance etc.
We send them a gig sheet stating the gig details, fee and what is required of them much like an agent would do to you.
We have a computer system for invoices. 100 gigs = 100 invoices and you may be taking deposits for gigs over a year away. You will become a bookkeeper and the accounts will take a lot of your time. But you learn a lot that can be used in other businesses in the future.
We found cheaper insurance through AMPband.
We also decided to stop pubs and clubs altogether. The pubs pay lower and they tend to shut down without telling you!
Also would you pay £1200 for a band at your wedding if you knew they played for a few hundred the week before at the local pub?
Aim high and don't be afraid to turn down the lower paying work.
It is rewarding when you sit back and think you're making money doing something you would do anyway.
 
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Ian666

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The other thing we did was to look at other uses for the van and equipment. We used the PA to run an open mic night during the week when there are no gigs.
With the addition of a laptop to your PA you are a DJ. We had a bride that couldn't afford the band so we DJ'd instead. Same setup different songs and it's a school disco. You still get the same money as you leave the rest of the band behind.
You can add extras to weddings & functions too by running a disco after the band if they want a later finish. Your other musicians can still pack down behind you.
Our van now delivers bouncy castles during the day.
We ran our ideas past an accountant and he set up the Ltd company for us as an entertainment company to cover the band and any other related activity.

The other minor thing to think about is that business bank accounts apply a charge for paying in cash. There is no charge for online transfers so try to get the higher paid gigs paid that way.

I think the MU public liability will only cover you the member and not the band. You would have to all be members. Some venues ask for a copy of this and a PAT test certificate for your gear.

We found using Goolgle calendar good for keeping track of gigs. Every member has access to it and can add days off so you can see when to book gigs without phoning everyone to check.
You get Google Drive with it so you can file share songs to learn.
 
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