How to claim VAT on Van insurance?

Helenw6781

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Im doing the accounts (and I use that phrase VERY lightly as i have little knowledge of this) for my partners plastering business

He is self employed sole trader and earns under 60k a year at present.

I am just sorting out the tax forms before the end of jan, and I was wondering what else I can claim for??? I have already added up the VAT on the diesel receipts but thats it!! can I claim for VAN insurance? and if so how? as the insurance runs from say nov to nov... how do i work out the vat for april?

infact is there any thing else that is simple i can claim for?

I have read all the leaflets etc but I find them VERY VERY confusing!!!

"Tax doesnt have to be TAXING" HA! I HATE that advert!
 

Zeno

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Jesus wept - take the lot to an accountant ASAP. It will cost you this late in January but it will be worth it and far safer than doing it yourself.

Forgive me for being blunt but you seem to be confusing Value Added Tax and Income tax. Also, there is no VAT on insurance. Furthermore you cannot recover VAT unless VAT registered.
 
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Helenw6781

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Thanks for the response, of course if i could AFFORD an accountant i would take it, but its a luxury I cant afford!.... Im doing the self assesment thing, Ive always deducted the diesel before? I might well be using the wrong phrases but im sure you know what i mean????

Ive always been told to keep all my receipts and then claim back the VAT? is that not right then?... What SHOULD I do? and yes I have to do it my self!
 
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Jenni384

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    If you get a green form called a Value Added Tax return, then you can reclaim VAT. This is nothing to do with the 31st January tax return.

    If you are NOT VAT Registered, you ignore VAT in its entirety and can claim the full cost of any expenses against your income.

    It might pay to pay for an hour of an accountant's time just to get the important bits clear (£30-100 ish, depending on which accountant!) and then go ahead and do it yourself. I know some accountants will offer this as a service and it sounds like it will be money well spent. In the nicest way, I know you say you can't afford an accountant, but if you get it wrong, the penalties from HMRC will be much worse. Sorry!
     
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    Helenw6781

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    ERM! I dont think so!

    the first year it was the under 16k so we did the simple self assesment form

    the next year it was about 22k so we did the next form up... and this year it will probably be about 30 or 40k

    I dont know much about all this but EVERY one tells me to keep the diesel receipts! and I claimed for the purchase of tools and materials etc last year?
     
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    Jenni384

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    Ok you aren't VAT reg. If you were, you'd know.

    Tax Return:

    enter total income.

    Then in teh expenses boxes, you total up all he has spent that was wholly and exclusively for business. This includes but is not limited to:

    Materials
    Tools (if any individual item cost more than £300 then you have to claim Capital allowances - come back to us if this applies. It will apply to the van)
    Diesel
    Motor Expenses inc insurance (the whole of the insurance is an expense)
    Telephone
    Office supplies
    Computer if for work
    Anything else he had to spend to carry out his job

    You will be left with a net profit (eg Earned 22k, spent 12k, net profit 10k) which is the amount of money he has to pay tax on.
     
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    MyAccountantOnline

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    It really wouldnt be expensive to get a good accountant to do the accounts and tax return for your partner if you have kept his records up to date, complete and accurate.

    It truly would be money very well spent and I suspect you will save more than you pay!

    Most accountants spend years learning the skills we have, honestly with respect you can not expect to be able to do our job with no skills/experience/knowledge.

    I hate to imagine the mess I'd get in if I tried my hand at plastering;)
     
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    Jenni384

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    I hate to imagine the mess I'd get in if I tried my hand at plastering;)
    Professional plasterers get pretty messy, so I think we'd stand no chance! :D

    Helen, I agree with Zeno and Nicola. From what you've said, even after paying an accountant you should be quids in, as it sounds like there are various things we could do to get the tax bill down that are too complicated to explain on here. Also, if you got an accountant to do it, you wouldn't have to get stressed out doing it either :)
     
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    Kevin Hall

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    Thanks for the response, of course if i could AFFORD an accountant i would take it, but its a luxury I cant afford!.... Im doing the self assesment thing, Ive always deducted the diesel before? I might well be using the wrong phrases but im sure you know what i mean????

    Ive always been told to keep all my receipts and then claim back the VAT? is that not right then?... What SHOULD I do? and yes I have to do it my self!

    The word "claim" appears to be confusing things, as there are two taxes involved: VAT and Self-Assessment (income) tax.

    1. VAT:
    To "reclaim" the VAT on purchases, the business must register for VAT with HMRC. This (usually) means charging VAT on sales to customers and claiming back VAT on purchases. This in turn (usually) results in VAT being paid over to HMRC every quarter. In this case, when you are doing the taxation computations, you only deduct the net amount of any expenses (e.g. diesel costs, excluding the VAT element) from the total net sales, and tax the resulting profits.

    2. Self-Assessment (income) tax:
    If the business does not register for VAT with HMRC (and when sales exceed £67k in any 12 month period this is compulsory on pain of financial penalties), then the VAT becomes part of the expenses of the business. All the expenses (e.g. diesel costs, including the VAT element) are all deducted from all the sales, to yield profit which - as Jenni said - is taxed as self-assessed income. In a sense, therefore (I suppose), you are "claiming" the deductions.

    The confusion between 1. & 2. above is understandable (if you are forced to do the returns yourself) and it is a nonsense to say that tax doesn't have to be taxing. The only people who can take the difficulty out of tax are the ones making it more complex: Gordon Brown & co!

    So, assuming only 2. above applies to you, is it possible you have deducted from sales the full (VAT-inclusive) amount of the diesel receipts, then deducted the VAT total again? If so, this is an error and if HMRC ever check, you could be penalised for the error on top of the additional tax liability to be repaid to HMRC when the error is corrected. Fortunately, there is no VAT on car insurance or road tax, so you should have deducted the correct amounts for these.

    As for the receipts, you should keep them as evidence of the expense, otherwise HMRC might say that you are not allowed to deduct the expense from the sales (resulting in higher profits and therefore a higher tax liability). If you are or ever will be VAT registered, you will also need your receipts as evidence for your 3-monthly VAT returns.

    Hope that helps?

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    PS: as for using an accountant, the other respondants here are probably right that it will save money in the long run - mainly using the information in those leaflets that have confused you. But I can see that the fees are a concern. Perhaps a good idea would be to visit a few local accountants and ask for a "fee quote" for doing different things. If they have nothing to offer you or the price is too high, you can then just walk away. But you might also be pleasantly surprised ...
     
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