Help with website on a budget

Dantheman21

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Hi, I've been on the forum a little while now finding some useful info. I'm in the process of looking for a website design company that doesn't charge the earth, but also gives a good service. I currently work for a company but really want to go it alone. I'm an arborist and have been since I was a school leaver, I know how to reach the customers I need. But I need a website for them to visit and I don't know where to start! There's so many companies that promise big things for little cost, which can't always be true. Also I'm really basic when it comes to technology :) any help pointing in the right direction would be great thanks.
 

LouisGi

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Since budget is short... (by the way you'd better define what is short) I would advice you to check some free products on the web.
Ok your website isn't going to be the coolest, but you'll be able to do some business.
Also you don't write what exactly we need to do with your website. Just a site or an eshop perhaps?

Cheers
 
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Hi Dantheman21

I saw your post regarding a website on a budget, I am currently running a offer of 4 pages for £99 including seo on all pages

I can send you a private message if you wish to find out more and send you my website portfolio link

Kind regards

Ian
 
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Ultimately, if you don't have that artistic flair to produce websites, then you'll probably need to pay someone something. I certainly don't have that flair but the actual hosting side of things needn't be difficult and, to be honest, it really grates me when some other hosting providers make it difficult for non-technical users.

Alternately, if you want to save a bit of money on the design, you could look into solutions such as getting a simple Wordpress site (for example) up and running. This is pretty easy and there are plenty of simple templates to choose from, but you still might want something a little more custom.
 
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tnet

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Hi Dantheman21,

You may want to think about "renting" a website. :) There are companies out there that are willing to create website for you for free and then charge you yearly for maintenance, hosting and domain cost. So basically you can start with pretty great website and pay no more than £100 for first year. For this amount you can get nice looking website, standard search engine optimization and social media marketing package.
If you're going to hire someone to develop the website by exact same standards then you'll need to pay much more right away. Let me know if you need any help with this.
 
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Dantheman21

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Hi Dantheman21,

You may want to think about "renting" a website. :) There are companies out there that are willing to create website for you for free and then charge you yearly for maintenance, hosting and domain cost. So basically you can start with pretty great website and pay no more than £100 for first year. For this amount you can get nice looking website, standard search engine optimization and social media marketing package.
If you're going to hire someone to develop the website by exact same standards then you'll need to pay much more right away. Let me know if you need any help with this.

Hi tnet

This sounds interesting and who are the companies who specialise in this? Also how long would it take to be up and running?
 
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Renting a website may suit some tight budgets but before you do, consider one or two things first and ensure they fit your plans...

1. What is your TOTAL budget for launching via a direct owned site and 3 years ongoing costs (including hosting)

2. What is the total cost of renting a website for the same period.

Then consider issues that may arise such as site ownership (have you got FULL ftp control over YOUR domain AND website?), updating, resources available (such as web space and visitor contention), server locations...

Many get trapped and then find that they can only do a small fraction of what they need and then have issues relating to site development, a year is a long time online buddy.

HTH

Regards
Daren
 
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Why Rent?

There is business's that will host and install WordPress for you, including myself, for the price of renting. But you own the domain, so if you decide to leave the provider you still own your domain. This is so important.

For €110 (note euro) per year, I can set it up, do a banner, emails, geo target , host it and have as many pages as you want ect, but you own the domain. look at my portfolio. second signature, PM if your interested, but I can not emphasise enough, no matter who you go with, make sure you own the domain.
 
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tnet

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Hi tnet

This sounds interesting and who are the companies who specialise in this? Also how long would it take to be up and running?

Me personally am a fan of website "rent". I currently maintain around 20 websites this way and based on that I must say that for small businesses, startups and entrepreneur who are not into IT, this is a great solution.
I didn't work with companies in UK that provide this kind of service, but I'll search around and let you know via PP if something interesting pops up. :)

Here are some pros&cons of website "renting":
Pros:
* You are the owner of a domain name, design, email addresses and content of the website. Once you decide to cancel the service, you get to keep everything essential to your website( as that's your property), but you must purchase hosting by yourself( around 20$ per year).
* Good technical quality of the website.
* Nice and modern design, but unfortunately not unique. Branding the design is always included in price, but if you want some additional redesign that is usually charged additionally.
* You get basic SEO service for free.
* You get social media marketing plan setup.
* Me personally offer people to write content on regular basis for them and consult them about the online marketing strategies. IMO, that's the best thing as this is something that will actually get you clients online!
* When new browser or technology came into the game, you don't have to worry as service provider needs to take care of this for you.
* Companies that provide this kind of services are goal oriented as they need to keep client happy in order to profit from them. Thus, they will do better job at actually getting you clients.
* Maybe most important thing - you will have someone that knows his job well and will take good care of your web presence. This way you get nice website, constantly someone to create and promote content, advise you about social media marketing(and maybe do it for you), keep you website "live" and up to date.
* Someone said that you don't have full control of your website. In my experience, website owner can make any changes he likes by himself, write content, add pages etc. But IMO, you should always let a professional to do that for you and you should just suggest something etc.
* Someone also suggested usage of FTP. Using FTP is thing of the past. I've been developing enterprise level websites for more than 3 years and FTP was never used not only by customer, but also by developers. CMS should take care of documents management in user friendly and secure way, as FTP is very risky to use.
* You start with professional website for just around £100. And it can be up and running in week or two. True value of such solution is at least 5 times more( at least that's the case in Serbia, not sure how much you need to pay for such website in UK).

Cons:
* Usually companies force you to sign two or three years contract with them. You can cancel it, but then you have some penalties to pay.
* Although you are the owner, you are not in charge of the website. Some people just prefer to pay more to get exactly what they have in mind, not what someone else suggest that is best for them. Sometimes they're right, sometimes not.
* You entrusted someone your online presence. If you chose wrong company, it can be more harm than good.
* Communication can be problem if both the companies staff and owner of the website update content of the website. When some mistake is made, then there will always be some disputes over responsibility.

Feel free to expand both lists! :)
 
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CMS should take care of documents management in user friendly and secure way, as FTP is very risky to use.
Really?

Please explain how to do an install of a bespoke CMS with using FTP.
 
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tnet

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I'm very sorry if I heart someones fillings, that really wasn't my intention.
There are so many downsides of FTP. For me, it pretty shocking that any professional web developer would let his client "play" with FTP these days. I really don't want to get into any arguments as this is not a topic here. It would be nice if someone can start separate thread for issue of FTP.

But just quick reply on this:
Please explain how to do an install of a bespoke CMS with using FTP.
Using FTP to deploy source code or content is "anti pattern" in web development. There are really many, many reasons for this, and problem with FTP usernames and passwords is smallest one.
Current best practice for deployment of the web application or website is by using continuous integration system. Basically, that system have two parts:
1) Building a project package. System take source code from SVN or Git repositories, documents from specified remote system, DB also from remote system etc. So, at the end of this process you have complete "package" of your project. It includes source code, files, db definition, db data etc.
2) Deploying a project package. Usually, you want to have couple of environments for every project e.g. project on your local machine, "integration" environment( usually contains latest changes), "staging"( where client can review your work and enter content), live( public available version) etc. Now, every of these environments is described with a configuration file. There, you specify how project packages is configured, from which system data should be pulled in etc.

At the end, system get everything you need for example for your local machine environment( database, files, source code, other data) and tweak it to work "out of the box"( change DB password in configuration, setup virtual hosts etc). It can, of course, do the same for "live" or any other environment.

Now I know that many of you guys are not familiar with this concept and that's cool. If FTP works for you - great. But my opinion is that FTP is going to be marginalized even more in close future.
 
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fisicx

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Using FTP to deploy source code or content is "anti pattern" in web development.
Says who?
Current best practice for deployment of the web application or website is by using continuous integration system.
Says who?

Both of the above are your opinions. Using FTP I can quickly upload/download files - far faster than using SVN. If I had to instruct a client how to set up and use SVN I'd be on the phone for hours. At the moment I can have them up and running with filezilla in a few minutes.
 
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tnet

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It's not just my opinion, it's my experience. :) If you think that any serious website is using FTP for file management, then you're in for a big surprise.

First of all, SVN is used for source code, not content. So your example where you compare SVN to FTP has no point at all. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. The real example will be if your software, say CMS, has feature that enables user to upload files and manage them. That will eliminated need for user to install some FTP manager, learn how to used it, manually create links to the new file, taking care where file should be uploaded, which permissions should this file have, which extensions are allowed etc. Now this is the point. If you create a piece of software that can manage files, and integrate it into your system( say, Wordpress) than it's much more effective than FTP. That's the fact, you can accept it or you can chose to refuse it.

Let me give another example. Your client made a mistake and delete or override a file while uploading another one trough FTP. He then claims that it's not his mistake, and that something you did make website stop working. With FTP, how can you handle this situation easily? How can you revert changes? How can you prove that client made a mistake? And what if client got virus on his computer that uses FTP to upload php scripts and attack a website? How can you guarantee to your client that his website is safe? You can't. And you also can't prove that it's his fault and invoice him for time you spent fixing it. Only thing you can do is hope that this won't happen.

But again, it seems that we are being involved in different kind of web development. So, if you're satisfied with FTP that's great, I'm just saying that for serious/large systems FTP is high risk and is avoided as much as possible. If you're still using it on such systems, I think that you can make big change if you study on FTP alternatives.
 
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Dantheman21

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Ok I've been having a look, and having a chat with different people on here. My budget for this website is max£150 will that be enough for what I need. MICROSOFT I take it that the software isn't comparable with apple systems? Or is it? I only ask because 99% of everything I do is through my phone or my iPad. Sorry for the late reply I've been mega busy at work
 
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Why rent a site for £100 a year when for what you want I and others here could produce a Joomla site with CMS for around the same price that you will have full control over. and it will look shiny and cool.

I hear a lot of people talk about Wordpress but please think of Joomla :)
 
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My advice is to build your own site...
From my experience, free sites where you can build one are not very good.

I'm useless with computers and technology, but I when I started this business I had pretty much no budget, and no choice but to try myself. For £30 I purchased some software and built a site that was optimized very well.. within 3 weeks many of my pages were on page one on google and still are. My site generates new business daily because it's set up to be found... And honestly, It was very straight forward.

Although im no expert, and I have made alot of errors and some say mistakes, (duplicate content being one - which im working on changing)

What I will say, Is that it takes time. But then again working for yourself is very much a time consuming business. I work 10 hours a day, and then 5 or 6 hours more when I get home. But what building your own site does offer is the fact you can SAVE LOADS!

My site costs £1 per week to run and cost me only my time to build.

Check it out, national gutter cleaning . com


Regards,
 
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Alan

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    Hi, I've been on the forum a little while now finding some useful info. I'm in the process of looking for a website design company that doesn't charge the earth, but also gives a good service. I currently work for a company but really want to go it alone. I'm an arborist and have been since I was a school leaver, I know how to reach the customers I need. But I need a website for them to visit and I don't know where to start! There's so many companies that promise big things for little cost, which can't always be true. Also I'm really basic when it comes to technology :) any help pointing in the right direction would be great thanks.

    Hi, if you're just looking for a cheap simple quick way to get online using your own domain, make sure you 1. register the domain yourself and 2. it's built on a simple CMS like WordPress,etc so you can easliy edit the site yourself when you get to that point. A package or rent a site, where hosting etc is including may be the best option to kick start the process, if you want to look down this route we can help.

    Cheers
     
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    EdgarEagan

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    It's like Parenting

    Hosting would be the Mother, you would be the Father (as a user admin) and your website would be the Child.

    So you as a Father name the Child, which is called the domain e.g. yahoo, google, etc.

    Then as the Child(website) grows, you pay expenses since the kid needs maintenance from the Mother(web host). Also on birth(site creation) you need to pay up for the hospital expenses LOL :)
     
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    Dan, don't build the site yourself, and don't rent a site either.

    A perfect site for what you need will set you back about 400 quid. Its well worth doing as it will only take you one day to get that back once you are up and running.

    Dont scrimp on the site. Its only the price of a 200t you are looking at for a site and once its done its done.
     
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    Dantheman21

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    Dan, don't build the site yourself, and don't rent a site either.

    A perfect site for what you need will set you back about 400 quid. Its well worth doing as it will only take you one day to get that back once you are up and running.

    Dont scrimp on the site. Its only the price of a 200t you are looking at for a site and once its done its done.

    Funny you say 200t I just £400 on a 201t as my 200 was stolen! Anyway I take it you have your own website for tree works?? Can you recommend the company you used for your website?
     
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    Funny you say 200t I just £400 on a 201t as my 200 was stolen! Anyway I take it you have your own website for tree works?? Can you recommend the company you used for your website?

    I'm a marketing consultant now, but am a qualified climber. I owned a landscaping and treework business whilst I was at University studying marketing , which kind of makes me a bit of an expert when it comes to marketing businesses like yours.

    I don't deal with web design myself as i tend to specialise in marketing and business strategy, but I could certainly point you in the direction of a designer who would do a good job for you.
     
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    Dantheman21

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    I'm a marketing consultant now, but am a qualified climber. I owned a landscaping and treework business whilst I was at University studying marketing , which kind of makes me a bit of an expert when it comes to marketing businesses like yours.

    I don't deal with web design myself as i tend to specialise in marketing and business strategy, but I could certainly point you in the direction of a designer who would do a good job for you.

    That would be very helpful if you could. Could you pm me some details please?
     
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    I would have to agree with the later comments on this thread. Unless you know what you are doing it is never a good idea to build your own website.

    Whilst the Internet is becoming much more accessible for many people and more businesses are getting online, to start out with a poorly executed website could mean disaster for your business.

    There are so many factors to consider when building websites: it's not just a case of making a layout on a template builder. Techniques that novices use (shoddy link-building, keyword stuffing, creating user-unfriendly sites, poor site architecture etc etc etc) will invariably lead to one thing: Google death. If Google is not on your side, you may as well give up.

    Just my two cents.......
     
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