HELP WANTED! Building our SEO-driven financial content marketing strategy ?

[MrAlexWinkler]

Hello, all you financial enthusiasts!

I'm reaching out to the community because I'm looking for a financial content writer!

Tasks​

Tasks from reaching out to potential guest posters, to finding PR sites to get posted on, doing content writing, and other topics related to this consistent SEO content strategy. of from reaching out to potential guest posters, to finding PR sites to get posted on, doing content writing, and other topics related to this consistent SEO content strategy. Our weekly posts topics will be roughly in these categories:

1. Milestone / New Features
2. Video Tutorials
3. Careers / Team / Industry
4. Founders Journey / Guest Post
5. Trade of the week

Benefits​

TJ is not default alive yet. Aka we are running a negative cash flow so until that is fixed we can't pay additional team members.

Therefore non-financial benefits would include:

1. You'd be an author! Several of the posts would be under your name so you would be building up your own portfolio/credibility as well.
2. TradeJournal Team! You'd become part of the TradeJournal team and work closely with me (good or bad? idk, you pick). This means being added to our slack and our Trello Board.
3. If you do a kick-ass job and once TJ becomes default alive (cash flow positive) you'd be first in line for possible job openings.
4. Learn, learn, learn. I should get some testimonials from our current dev interns because they are telling me they are learning a lot and are excited to keep going.
5. Personal growth. If you're passionate about trading and you want to learn and grow your own network in the space this is what you've been looking for. Lots of networking awaits!
6. Water gun level fun. This sounds cliche but if it's not fun and exciting it's not worth doing (admin stuff not included).
7. Strong day trading or content writing skill level not required. What is required is a positive and energetic mindset with a determined and persistent work ethic. No slackers wanted!
   

 

[Mark T Jones]

As job ads go, it's right up there with modern slavery

 

[MrAlexWinkler]

Valid point, I was thinking maybe you guys might know someone and could refer. Not necessarily be applying yourselves! If I was 19 or so and was able to snag this gig I'd be stoking.

 

[ctrlbrk]

Yet another "professional trader" who's apparently made 110k in profit and yet wants somebody else to work for free.

I would kick you out myself if I were a mod!

 

[UkAppCoder]

With job offers like that, it's no wonder his office is so busy and he looks so confident!

https://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/members/mralexwinkler.348104/

 

[Mark T Jones]

Valid point, I was thinking maybe you guys might know someone and could refer. Not necessarily be applying yourselves! If I was 19 or so and was able to snag this gig I'd be stoking.

At its most optimistic its an unpaid internship - which are often illegal, and generally outlawed

More likely, you are asking some poor sap to build your business on the off chance of employment if you survive long enough.

If it was my 19 year old I know what my advice would be

 

[gpietersz]

Valid point, I was thinking maybe you guys might know someone and could refer. Not necessarily be applying yourselves! If I was 19 or so and was able to snag this gig I'd be stoking.

My 19 year old daughter is getting experience, and her degree paid for, and getting paid a decent salary. I am not going to be referring her.

There are better opportunities out there for anyone "positive and energetic". Unless they are totally talentless

Strong day trading or content writing skill level not required.

So you want someone with no real day trading or writing skills to write about day trading? Sounds like you just want someone to churn out junk content for SEO and low quality, uninformed sales pitches.

Maybe you do want someone talentless.

 

[intheTRADE]

Benefits​

TJ is not default alive yet. Aka we are running a negative cash flow so until that is fixed we can't pay additional team members.

Well fix it and then pay someone to do the work required you parasite

 

[MrAlexWinkler]

Wow whats up with the negativity on this site. Not even constructive criticism just pure negativity.

First

Yet another "professional trader" who's apparently made 110k in profit and yet wants somebody else to work for free.

I would kick you out myself if I were a mod!

It's almost 120k but it's in 2 years so if you do the math it's not the biggest salary yet. So because of not being a millionaire trader or value company, i should be kicked?

Trading and this business are two totally separate businesses. I don't mix them up.

Second

My 19 year old daughter is getting experience, and her degree paid for, and getting paid a decent salary. I am not going to be referring her.

There are better opportunities out there for anyone "positive and energetic". Unless they are totally talentless


So you want someone with no real day trading or writing skills to write about day trading? Sounds like you just want someone to churn out junk content for SEO and low quality, uninformed sales pitches.

Maybe you do want someone talentless.

No, i don't need highly skilled interns because much if this stuff is easily learned. I care more about the soft skill fit.

Also, unpaid internships are not illegal. I've run now 3 internship programs to date and provide a lot of value to make it worth whole to my interns. They never get busy work either.

If they want they can leave at any time and even though that happens I've had the majority make it until the end. That wouldn't happen if they didn't find value in the programs.

I put A LOT of energy into making the best internship experience and in the end, the intern, not my company is the ultimate benefactor. Just like an apprentice, they are learning a skill. They could try and do the same thing by going to school (expensive and not realistic lessons), buy a course, watch youtube, etc. All are valid options. They could also work with me and gain real on-the-job experience.

No one is forced to do anything here. If there wasn't value for the interns then they wouldn't do it.

 

[kulture]

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Also, unpaid internships are not illegal. I've run now 3 internship programs to date and provide a lot of value to make it worth whole to my interns. They never get busy work either.

If they want they can leave at any time and even though that happens I've had the majority make it until the end. That wouldn't happen if they didn't find value in the programs.

......

Unpaid internships ARE illegal. The only circumstances where ther are leagal are strictly limited. Basically if you are a charity (and it seems you are not), or if the internships are part of a recognised course, or they are work shadowing and not actually doing the work themselves.

Further
By law, employers have to pay their interns the national minimum wage if any of these apply :

• the intern has a contract outlining that the nature of the work they will do (the contract doesn’t need to be written, it can be verbal).
• the intern is required to turn up to work, even if they don’t want to.
• the employer has to have work for them to do.
• the intern is promised a work contract in future.

 

[Mark T Jones]

Wow whats up with the negativity on this site. Not even constructive criticism just pure negativity.

First

It's almost 120k but it's in 2 years so if you do the math it's not the biggest salary yet. So because of not being a millionaire trader or value company, i should be kicked?

Trading and this business are two totally separate businesses. I don't mix them up.

Second


No, i don't need highly skilled interns because much if this stuff is easily learned. I care more about the soft skill fit.

Also, unpaid internships are not illegal. I've run now 3 internship programs to date and provide a lot of value to make it worth whole to my interns. They never get busy work either.

If they want they can leave at any time and even though that happens I've had the majority make it until the end. That wouldn't happen if they didn't find value in the programs.

I put A LOT of energy into making the best internship experience and in the end, the intern, not my company is the ultimate benefactor. Just like an apprentice, they are learning a skill. They could try and do the same thing by going to school (expensive and not realistic lessons), buy a course, watch youtube, etc. All are valid options. They could also work with me and gain real on-the-job experience.

No one is forced to do anything here. If there wasn't value for the interns then they wouldn't do it.

In this case I fear the negativity is well founded.

We see a steady stream of these shabby 'opportunities' - usually using a shareholding as the carrot. You are only giving the vague offer of a job.

If you want quality content, pay for it.

If you want somebody clueless to train up, offer an apprenticeship.

That's business

 

[fisicx]

Also worth pointing out that this seo strategy isn’t going to work. Google has been downgrading self generated links for a while. You might get some traffic but it’s unlikely.

 

[The Byre]

I wouldn't want to read financial advice from someone stupid enough to work for nothing!

It is all part of my overall strategy of 'Never take financial advice from a poor person!'

Or as record producer, Mickie Most put it "If you know so bloody much, where's your Learjet? Mine's at City Airport, but where's yours?"

 

[MrAlexWinkler]

Erm...

If you want somebody clueless to train up, offer an apprenticeship.

Maybe you read something different than what I posted but that's exactly what I wrote. This is an internship aka apprenticeship. They will be working closely with our team and learning everything we do.

I wouldn't want to read financial advice from someone stupid enough to work for nothing!

It is all part of my overall strategy of 'Never take financial advice from a poor person!'

Or as record producer, Mickie Most put it "If you know so bloody much, where's your Learjet? Mine's at City Airport, but where's yours?"

I totally agree. Again we have the content they will be doing other tasks like keyword research, article research, helping out with what our Senior content writer needs, reaching out to guest posters, learning the ropes and hopefully within 2-3 months be able to contribute ideas.

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I can see that some people are against unpaid internships. But I work extremely hard with all of our interns. The value is 100% more for the interns. Idk if you have ever conducted an internship program before but it's hard work. It's easier doing the work yourself and interns are often more work than the results they provide. By no means is an intern someone you just shell out work to.

That being said. Interns can provide useful benefits to the company as well. The biggest benefit I've noticed with our programs is it forces our team (currently 15 people) to get more organized and create better systems. Benefits RARELY are ever that they get critical work done that is needed.

Interns benefit because they get real-world work experience.
Companies benefit because they can test out their organization systems.

Maybe if everything works out you'll have a qualified employee at the end of the process as well. We've had that before too and it's an amazing way to grow your team.

 

[Mark T Jones]

Erm...

Maybe you read something different than what I posted but that's exactly what I wrote. This is an internship aka apprenticeship. They will be working closely with our team and learning everything we do.

Incorrect.

apprentices get paid - albeit below minimum wage. There are other guidlines and rules to follow.

If you want to be taklen seriously, move away from the idea of free labour and start rewarding people.

 

[The Byre]

Until the C19 thing struck, we took on unpaid interns. They did not have to work. They just had to learn. It was a structured part of their studies and was overseen by just one specific university. They had to go through four three-month internships with four employers and then return for the fifth year of study to gain their MA. There was no bachelor's course - master's only. Our last intern went on to do his Ph.D.

That is what a bona fide unpaid internship looks like.

 

[Newchodge]

Hello, all you financial enthusiasts!

I'm reaching out to the community because I'm looking for a financial content writer!

Tasks​

Tasks from reaching out to potential guest posters, to finding PR sites to get posted on, doing content writing, and other topics related to this consistent SEO content strategy. of from reaching out to potential guest posters, to finding PR sites to get posted on, doing content writing, and other topics related to this consistent SEO content strategy. Our weekly posts topics will be roughly in these categories:

1. Milestone / New Features
2. Video Tutorials
3. Careers / Team / Industry
4. Founders Journey / Guest Post
5. Trade of the week

Benefits​

TJ is not default alive yet. Aka we are running a negative cash flow so until that is fixed we can't pay additional team members.

Therefore non-financial benefits would include:

1. You'd be an author! Several of the posts would be under your name so you would be building up your own portfolio/credibility as well.
2. TradeJournal Team! You'd become part of the TradeJournal team and work closely with me (good or bad? idk, you pick). This means being added to our slack and our Trello Board.
3. If you do a kick-ass job and once TJ becomes default alive (cash flow positive) you'd be first in line for possible job openings.
4. Learn, learn, learn. I should get some testimonials from our current dev interns because they are telling me they are learning a lot and are excited to keep going.
5. Personal growth. If you're passionate about trading and you want to learn and grow your own network in the space this is what you've been looking for. Lots of networking awaits!
6. Water gun level fun. This sounds cliche but if it's not fun and exciting it's not worth doing (admin stuff not included).
7. Strong day trading or content writing skill level not required. What is required is a positive and energetic mindset with a determined and persistent work ethic. No slackers wanted!

Have you heard of the National Minimum Wage?

 

[Newchodge]

If they want they can leave at any time

So it's not actually slavery, then?

 

[Newchodge]

This is an internship aka apprenticeship

An apprenticeship MUST be paid.

 

[MrAlexWinkler]

I'm not going to argue about the legality of unpaid internships. When it's 100% legal.

Are Unpaid Internships Legal?

Learn how state laws and the primary beneficiary test apply to small business owners navigating the legality and morality of unpaid internships.

www.businessnewsdaily.com

 

[Newchodge]

I'm not going to argue about the legality of unpaid internships. When it's 100% legal.

Are Unpaid Internships Legal?

Learn how state laws and the primary beneficiary test apply to small business owners navigating the legality and morality of unpaid internships.

www.businessnewsdaily.com

You do realise that this is a UK business site. US state laws are completely irrelevant.

 

[fisicx]

I'm not going to argue about the legality of unpaid internships. When it's 100% legal.

Are Unpaid Internships Legal?

Learn how state laws and the primary beneficiary test apply to small business owners navigating the legality and morality of unpaid internships.

www.businessnewsdaily.com

Try linking to a UK article. Labour laws in the USA are different to those in the UK. In any case, an intern is not an apprentice. Apprenticeships have to comply with a number of legislative requirements, one of which is training at a recognise education institute.

And it still doesn’t change the fact that your SEO strategy isn’t going to work. It’s about 10 years behind the drag curve.

 

[Mark T Jones]

I'm not going to argue about the legality of unpaid internships. When it's 100% legal.

Are Unpaid Internships Legal?

Learn how state laws and the primary beneficiary test apply to small business owners navigating the legality and morality of unpaid internships.

www.businessnewsdaily.com

I hope your 'intern' is a quicker learner than you are!

You have linked to an American article (the first clue is in the spelling).

Why not do yourself a favour and bow out now?

EDIT: Others beat me to it!

 

[MrAlexWinkler]

Our interns and our company are in the US. I know the is a UK business forum. Didn't think it was purely national here as Saas is international. I also never expected such negativity. We should try and help each other and correct each other. Not blindly bash on one's internship program, one which my team and I have spent almost 2 years improving with awesome feedback and we'll continue to improve.

I'll take Mark's feedback and exit this chat unproductive chat.
You guys should take the feedback to ask a few more questions instead of just pointing fingers.

 

[Newchodge]

Our interns and our company are in the US. I know the is a UK business forum. Didn't think it was purely national here as Saas is international. I also never expected such negativity. We should try and help each other and correct each other. Not blindly bash on one's internship program, one which my team and I have spent almost 2 years improving with awesome feedback and we'll continue to improve.

I'll take Mark's feedback and exit this chat unproductive chat.
You guys should take the feedback to ask a few more questions instead of just pointing fingers.

And you had no idea that employment law is a national matter? Really?

 

[Mark T Jones]

I'm all in favour of asking questions before giving advice, but really, there are going to be a hell of a lot of questions moving forward;

I feel really silly now for assuming a question on UK Business forum might refer to the UK.

It's still a bad deal for the 'intern' though.

 

[fisicx]

We should try and help each other and correct each other.

We are trying to help you. We have pointed out that UK law applies with regards interns, that an apprenticeship has legal obligations and your seo strategy is flawed.

If you want someone from the UK to apply for a position you need to comply with UK legislation.

 

[The Byre]

In the US, the courts have determined that seven factors indicate a legal unpaid internship and none of these factors is singularly determinative of legality, but are merely indicators of legality. The primary beneficiary must be the intern and NOT the employer.

1. The intern and the employer clearly understand that there is no expectation of compensation. Any promise of compensation, express or implied, suggests that the intern is an employee - and vice versa.
2. The internship provides training that would be similar to that which would be given in an educational environment, including the clinical and other hands-on training provided by educational institutions. (In many states this is mandatory.)
3. The internship is tied to the intern’s formal education program by integrated coursework or the receipt of academic credit. (In many states this is mandatory.)
4. The internship accommodates the intern’s academic commitments by corresponding to the academic calendar. (In many states this is mandatory.)
5. The internship’s duration is limited to the period in which the internship provides the intern with beneficial learning.
6. The intern’s work complements, rather than displaces, the work of paid employees while providing significant educational benefits to the intern.
7. The intern and the employer understand that the internship is conducted without entitlement to a paid job at the conclusion of the internship.

One sees straight away that the labour laws in the UK and the US are very similar in this field. As a former provider of internships, I have gone around the houses on this issue and we have had interns from the US as well as from the UK. These internships were always part of a structured university degree course.

 

[kulture]

I am staggered that the OP now says that he is US based and a US employer and yet was advertising for free labour on a UK site. Did he expect the interns to fly over to the US for their period of slavery or was he anticipating them to work online with little real possibility of learning anything.

I don’t see this site as reacting negatively but rather with well deserved disgust at what is both illegal in the UK and immoral.

 

[gpietersz]

And you had no idea that employment law is a national matter? Really?

Its not the first time I have come across people who do not realise this.

A few years ago a Australian tried to hire me on a regular contract. I pointed out that it looked like employment under UK law. His reply was that as he was in Australia and the contract had an Australian jurisdiction clause so there was UK law did not apply. End of discussion.

 

[gpietersz]

No, i don't need highly skilled interns because much if this stuff is easily learned. I care more about the soft skill fit

Writing well is not an easily learned skill. Neither is knowledge of any kind of financial trading sufficient to write usefully about it.

It is hard to imagine that someone in the UK who has good soft skills and is hard working will be unable to find something better. At the worst, they would be better off doing a minimum wage job part time and studying part time.