Hard or soft Brexit?

[Its4john]

Will we know by the end of the week ?
I’ve got a big purchase to make in USD and I can’t decide should I do it now or wait to see how the dollar stands against the ££ after the big pow-wow in Brussels.

 

[Mr D]

Pretty sure we'll know by the year 2030.
Knowing anything prior to the 28 governments voting an agreement...

At best we may have an agreement this month on some aspects except NI between 2 people.
Not the same as our parliament agreeing.

 

[Nochexman]

Can't help thinking that you and the markets will not be much clearer by the weekend

Have you tried tossing a coin?

 

[MatMan]

I don't think there will be a hard Brexit, simply because I don't think the EU will allow it regardless of the bickering going on over here. I suspect that the EU will approach us with a last minute deal on trade to protect their Lidl's and VW's while the rest of the stuff is agreed later on.

 

[Mr D]

I don't think there will be a hard Brexit, simply because I don't think the EU will allow it regardless of the bickering going on over here. I suspect that the EU will approach us with a last minute deal on trade to protect their Lidl's and VW's while the rest of the stuff is agreed later on.

Getting our own parliament to agree any trade deal - to be honest I don't think the PM has the votes necessary if the other major parties tell their members to vote against her.
Bringing her and her government down is more important to some than Britain getting a good deal. Sad but that's politics these days.

 

[BigPhill]

This may sound controversial... but many people i know, are starting to believe England needs some form of an independence referendum, just like Scotland had.

At the end of the day it was the majority in England which voted to leave the EU. Which is clearly a different view / mindset from Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland - where the majority voted to remain.

The time is coming for difficult questions to be answered, not just about Brexit, but the entire future of the UK.

A hard brexit will please the majority of English voters, it will displease Scotland, Wales and NI. A soft brexit will please Scotland, Wales, NI and displease the English.

There's no real answer as they're trying to figure out one solution for four increasing different countries

 

[Mr D]

This may sound controversial... but many people i know, are starting to believe England needs some form of an independence referendum, just like Scotland had.

At the end of the day it was the majority in England which voted to leave the EU. Which is clearly a different view / mindset from Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland - where the majority voted to remain.

The time is coming for difficult questions to be answered, not just about Brexit, but the entire future of the UK.

A hard brexit will please the majority of English voters, it will displease Scotland, Wales and NI. A soft brexit will please Scotland, Wales, NI and displease the English.

There's no real answer as they're trying to figure out one solution for four increasing different countries

Yes could we have our own government please?
The English are the only ones without their own government and own parliamentary building.

Be rather interesting politics. No SNP or DUP for one thing.

 

[Pudgie]

Yes could we have our own government please?
The English are the only ones without their own government and own parliamentary building.

Be rather interesting politics. No SNP or DUP for one thing.

I think the union is on it's last legs. Each are all too different to really continue under one umbrella. It seems like no matter what any government do it displeases either Scotland, Wales, England or NI.

 

[Mr D]

I think the union is on it's last legs. Each are all too different to really continue under one umbrella. It seems like no matter what any government do it displeases either Scotland, Wales, England or NI.

Often all 4 at once.

And yet every general election we vote in a government. Perhaps we are also mad.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

I think the union is on it's last legs. Each are all too different to really continue under one umbrella. It seems like no matter what any government do it displeases either Scotland, Wales, England or NI.

We need compromise in this world if we have any hope of progressing as a civilisation. Sometimes we'll win, sometimes we'll lose. We just have to rise above it for the greater good.

If we go down the route of breaking apart just so certain groups can have their own way then who knows where it ends. We could almost turn back time as we relentlessly divide up society until were back to being in tribes.

I don't know what it is about humans gradually getting more polarised on almost every topic. There's some instinctive psychological reason behind it, I'm sure. And in some kind of weird mathematical law of the universe, it almost always ends up being nearly 50/50 on a lot of issues.

It reminds me of a very interesting visualisation of how the US Congress has transformed over the decades:

https://www.vox.com/2015/4/23/8485443/polarization-congress-visualization

 

[Ginger Egg]

Another vote please

 

[KM-Tiger]

We need compromise in this world if we have any hope of progressing as a civilisation.

We could achieve that by changing our voting system to PR.

It's huge and deeply fundamental as it will mean that never again will a single party be in power.

The formation of coalitions to govern will involve the compromise you describe.

 

[Scott-Copywriter]

We could achieve that by changing our voting system to PR.

It's huge and deeply fundamental as it will mean that never again will a single party be in power.

The formation of coalitions to govern will involve the compromise you describe.

You may be right.

To be honest I'm not a fan of political party systems in general. There's something odd about constituencies electing MPs to represent them, and then these MPs being "persuaded" to vote a certain way by party whips depending on the party's broader point of view.

It says a lot when parties announce that MPs have a "free vote" on a topic. My MP is allowed to vote solely on what they think is best for my constituency? How very nice of you to give them the opportunity.

That being said, the question is whether people can be trusted to be transparent or whether they'd form informal coalitions under the radar to further their agendas. Perhaps it's just better to cut to the chase and keep it all out in the open with a degree of accountability.

 

[Mr D]

We could achieve that by changing our voting system to PR.

It's huge and deeply fundamental as it will mean that never again will a single party be in power.

The formation of coalitions to govern will involve the compromise you describe.

Also means never again will you get policies from the party you vote for.
That includes any good policies.

 

[Robin Hewitt]

The currency markets hate uncertainty, I cannot imagine anything will be resolve by the wek end because too many different interests are involved. No point in worrying about it unless your name is Barnier, May, Hammond, Mogg etc. There is nothing you can do apart from hedge or bet.

 

[Energise Accounting]

My personal view is we live in a democratic country and the country decided to leave. Hard or Soft Brexit is not the issue. The prime minister should of just proposed a deal to the EU and left the ball in there court for which they are free to accept or reject like any other democracy.

I suspect with £40 billion on the table and French and German jobs at stake there will be some sort of deal put together in the end.

As for the UK breaking up i cannot see that any time soon The first point would be they would have to pay back England there share of government borrowing.

The second problem would be none of them have there own currency. I am almost sure the EU would not accept them individually due to the size of there economies.

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland together contribute 14% of the total Uk tax take and all receive more back than they collect.

I personally would hate to see the UK break up however, it is up to each country to decide democratically what is best for them.