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Been thinking of business ideas, not looking for something to make me a millionaire but something to earn me a good wage self employed.

Have thought about being a handyman? I do know a few people who have no DIY skills, even something like fitting a blind they would be happy to pay someone to do.

Just keeping it local, would offer services like fitting blinds, basic plumbing, door fitting, lock replacement, flat pack building, tiling, shower/bath sealing, gutter cleaning etc. All these things I can do anyway.

Quotes would be given over the phone for most as I could get enough information via the phone or email (without seeing the job).

Not sure if this would be a viable business anymore or not?
 

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Well my plan would be to offer my services to family and friends. My partners parents have a lot of friends who can't do DIY, that will give me a feel for the job and also help me build up some reviews, portfolio etc. Would need a van etc before I started up.

Could only do weekends as I work 50 hours a week during the week. Wouldn't quit until the business becomes sustainable.
 
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A van will make all of your ideas a lot easier. For a "Man with a Van" example, I've used the guy I use 9 times this year- about 50% business, 50% personal. One of those was a £250.00 clearance which, whilst there was a fair bit of crap, took two Polish guys 25 minutes. 5 of those minutes was the coffee and sausage baps I got from Pret a Manger.

With the flat-pack furniture, IKEA charge an absolute FORTUNE to deliver it, especially anything they deem a "two-person" job. When I've looked before, the delivery cost was more expensive than the product/s I was buying, so hiring a van for the day has been more cost-effective. If you're going to build the furniture, have an add on whereby you will drive to IKEA, collect the items they have paid for, drive them back and put them together, and get rid of the packaging. I would use that service.
 
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There is a company local to me who just collects/builds IKEA furniture for people, I believe he earns well out of it. I'll be anyone's mug for the right price ;).

Going by my own habits (time poor) I would say offering a good service in the areas you've paid out would be useful to me. Less so the lock changing etc, but the standard handyman / MwaV stuff, 100%.
 
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    A van will make all of your ideas a lot easier. For a "Man with a Van" example, I've used the guy I use 9 times this year- about 50% business, 50% personal. One of those was a £250.00 clearance which, whilst there was a fair bit of crap, took two Polish guys 25 minutes.

    You can make money in any business, but it not as easy as people like to portray.

    Take the above, to buy a van, allow for depreciation, running costs, marketing, down time, waste carrier license, courier license, hire and reward, public liability etc is not cheap, and I haven’t even mentioned fuel. In the above example, there is a high probability those Polish guys dumped the rubbish at the side of the road in the dark, 90% of them dispose of waste that way.

    Man in a van is probably the most competitive business of all, because everytime a guy is made redundant he thinks how nice it is to drive around in a van and get paid in cash all day long. Most do it as busy fools, under cutting competitors, and going bust after a year or two, unable to get a new van when the time comes. Add to that all the foreigners who use their work vans illegally to move items for free until they get caught, and so on. Many work for the competition as subbies only to find they never get paid for anything after three months.

    I had my own courier removal firm for ten years and made good money, but it is even harder now. Not saying you cannot make money, but you need to target a niche market, and ignore handyman add ons, or do the handyman and ignore the man in a van work. Do one version well and make money.
     
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    Well my plan would be to offer my services to family and friends.....
    Could only do weekends as I work 50 hours a week during the week. Wouldn't quit until the business becomes sustainable.

    To build this sort of business quickly Facebook (much as I dislike it) is a great tool.... Set yourself up a Facebook page and join a few of the local groups - pretty much all towns and areas have something now. There are always people asking for these sort of jobs to be done, and secondly - and best for you - asking for recommendations. I second the comments about moving rubbish - that is a good earner and often requested.

    Remember that you have to maintain and replace your tools, get to the job, pay your NI and insurance etc etc.... before you think about beer and holidays etc. That has to be priced into the job.
     
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    Well my plan would be to offer my services to family and friends. My partners parents have a lot of friends who can't do DIY, that will give me a feel for the job and also help me build up some reviews, portfolio etc. Would need a van etc before I started up.

    Could only do weekends as I work 50 hours a week during the week. Wouldn't quit until the business becomes sustainable.
    OK let me tell you how to start your own handy man business from nothing the easy way

    1. Go and make your self a profile on mybuilder as a Handy man
    2. Go on MOO and get some business cards (look then up on google)
    3. Get some basic tools you need
    4. You dont need a van your a handy man you can put your tools in the boot of your car (get a van later when/if you need one)
    5. Buy 3 leads and you will get one job from this min/ the more lead you buy the more work
    6. Charge £20 per hour this will cover all cost to start with
    7. Rember if you dont take risks you will allways work for sombody that will take the risks

    PM me if you need anymore help
     
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    Root 66 Woodshop

    Replacing a Euro cyclinder really isn't rocket science.

    I wasn't referring to Euro Cylinders, had I been referring to Euro Cylinders I'd have said...Do you know enough about the Euro Cylinders that you're considering changing? can you cut additional keys? Do you know what the risks are for yourself if you replace a lock incorrectly?

    With that said, replacing a cylinder isn't rocket science, no it's one screw... unless of course there's a Cylinder shroud installed, then you'll also need a set of allen keys, as they tend to have more than one allen key requirement.

    Then there's also the reducing of security... You are liable if you have reduced the customers home security by installing a cylinder that is less secure than the one that you have replaced, should there be a break in... something that not everyone is aware of.

    Let's look at Euro cylinders for a second, are you aware of how many different types there are? What if the cylinder isn't the cause of the fault/issue as to why you've been asked to repair the lock... what if it's the Mechanism... do you know how many different variant of mechanisms there are, what the backsets are for each UPVC, Composite and even some wooden doors that some muppet's have installed the mechanisms into?

    TS007, PAS24, 3 Star, 1 star, Diamond cylinders... anti-snap (I hate that description TBH - it's so false) or anti-bump... what about a cylinder that claims everything? anti-snap, TS007 3 star cylinders... or Diamond anti-snap cylinders... which do you go for? or should you just pop in the cheap nasty crap from screwfix or toolstation for £6.00 if they sell one to suit your door that is... is it big enough? will it fit? how do you measure the cylinder correctly... easy!! Google and Youtube is your friend! :D Woot! :)

    Standard for the Bury area is a 45/50 euro cylinder - we sell more of these than any other cylinder size, unless it's a composite door... then it can range from a 64mm - 80mm depending upon the manufacturers. :)

    Then you've got a choice, should I have a key and turn or a key/key cylinder... which should I offer the customer... hmm

    As a locksmith, you'll also be able to offer a keying alike service to reduce keys for the customer... another cracking idea... but are you aware that only MLA Locksmiths are allowed to change a euro cylinder that is PAS24 or TS007? unless of course you've contacted the manufacturers and asked for a pinning kit and they've been stupid enough to send you one :) - It's happened before... that didn't go down to well with the BSI but hey ho :) - an insurance approved Locksmith such as an MLA Locksmith (Master Locksmith Association) have manufacturers permissions to re-pin cylinders... other Locksmiths, although they can and do with standard cylinders such as Asec, ERA, Sterling... some even file pins down to make them work... ouch!

    Mechanisms... You've got 30mm, 35mm 45mm 50mm and 55mm back sets, do you know how many different types of mechanisms there are out there? ones with Mushrooms, hooks, mushroom and hooks, deadbolts, deadbolt and mushroom, rollers, pins, hook and rollers, hook and pins... auto locking mechanisms... Again, do you know that you are liable if you remove a UPVC mechanism and reduce the security on that particular door? you either have to replace it like for like (which is the easiest part... if that mechanism is of course still available)... or upgrade.

    Mortise locks... 3 lever, 5 lever, 5 Lever BS... Union, Yale, Eurospec, ERA, Willenhall, Securefast, Zoo... just a few to think about... what fits where, should I have at least one of each size and finish on the van... just in case I come across them...

    Let's look at the size... 64mm or 76mm pretty easy, the two more common sizes us Locksmiths come across... brass or satin chrome, again two of the most common finishes... but then... wait a minute... I've just come to a door and it's 80mm WTF is that!!! holy crap... now I've got to make the hole larger to accomodate the 76mm lock case... oh crap, now I've got to chisel out some more on the door too... or should I get a direct replacement? Yup... go for it... a much better idea :)

    You'll find that most 67mm and 80mm locks were once called Chubb - but it's gone now... what do I do!! there's no such lock anymore... research!! lets look into it... Ahh yeah.. Assa Abloy owned Chubb, oh look... they also own Union and Yale... oohh the 3G114 is now rebranded as Union... great... it's only £45.00 excellent... unless you've got an account with a distribution company that's what you're paying... :)

    takes you about 5 minutes to swap that out... but the customer doesn't want to change their key... they want the same key... what do you do? Personally, I'd swap the levers over... but then again, what have you been asked to install a new lock... faulty? collar's worn? lever springs snapped?... unless you've got an account with a distribution company you won't find the levers anywhere...
     
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    Root 66 Woodshop

    OK let me tell you how to start your own handy man business from nothing the easy way

    1. Go and make your self a profile on mybuilder as a Handy man
    2. Go on MOO and get some business cards (look then up on google)
    3. Get some basic tools you need
    4. You dont need a van your a handy man you can put your tools in the boot of your car (get a van later when/if you need one)
    5. Buy 3 leads and you will get one job from this min/ the more lead you buy the more work
    6. Charge £20 per hour this will cover all cost to start with
    7. Rember if you dont take risks you will allways work for sombody that will take the risks

    PM me if you need anymore help

    LOL! fell off my chair once I'd read from 3 onwards... :D
     
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    Root 66 Woodshop

    To be fair I'd agree with 4 & 7 (estate car, preferably)

    4 = (to me) only if you inform your insurance company... that you're using the vehicle for work purposes... there's no mention of that, so to me it's dodgy as hell... then look at the list, no mention of public liability insurance or any other insurances for that matter - as a handyman that's the first thing I'd be looking at doing just to cover my own backside... but hey... that's me! ;)

    5 = a negative to me straight away... buy three leads... nah not on your nelly!

    6. = WTF £20.00 per hour will not cover all costs at all...

    7 = depends on which way you interpret it... going off the person that has listed it all... nah... not worth the risk to me TBH... ;)
     
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    4 = (to me) only if you inform your insurance company... that you're using the vehicle for work purposes... there's no mention of that, so to me it's dodgy as hell... then look at the list, no mention of public liability insurance or any other insurances for that matter - as a handyman that's the first thing I'd be looking at doing just to cover my own backside... but hey... that's me! ;)

    5 = a negative to me straight away... buy three leads... nah not on your nelly!

    6. = WTF £20.00 per hour will not cover all costs at all...

    7 = depends on which way you interpret it... going off the person that has listed it all... nah... not worth the risk to me TBH... ;)

    Yes; insurance is very much a consideration in its own right.

    Totally agree on 5.

    6 is an interesting one - a conversation I had with my own handyman, who charges £22 an hour. (Yes, I told my handyman to put his prices up!) The big risk being that you become known for being cheap rather than for being good - at £20 you could actually be down to minimum wage.
     
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    4 = (to me) only if you inform your insurance company... that you're using the vehicle for work purposes... there's no mention of that, so to me it's dodgy as hell... then look at the list, no mention of public liability insurance or any other insurances for that matter - as a handyman that's the first thing I'd be looking at doing just to cover my own backside... but hey... that's me! ;)

    5 = a negative to me straight away... buy three leads... nah not on your nelly!

    6. = WTF £20.00 per hour will not cover all costs at all...

    7 = depends on which way you interpret it... going off the person that has listed it all... nah... not worth the risk to me TBH... ;)
    If you dont have a profile stupid you need to buy more leads to start getting the work, as working for £20 PH again stupid, you need to go low on price unitll you have say 10 reviews then you can put up your prices, and as people can now see your reviews you wont have to convert so many leads.

    By the way Im taking from experiance and had a turn over of £400,000 on my best year and started with just me then emyployed 10 staff.

    My best customer was Liberty of London
     
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    Root 66 Woodshop

    Who are you calling Stupid? LOL!

    Go low on price and you're undermining the trade and your own work straight off... grow a back bone and charge what you should be charging.

    Our best customers up to date has been the GMP, Bolton Council, Bury Council, Lancashire Council, ... but hey ho... no bragging rights you know... in fact, to add to that... all of our customers are our best customers.

    Our leads - we don't need any, customers come to us... we don't need to buy leads... our reputation as a reputable company, insurance approved and preferred company to be used by the local government bodies and police says enough.

    Incidentally, we charge labour accordingly to the work being done... sometimes it's £72.00 + VAT per hour, other times its £125.00 + VAT per hour... we even charge £450.00 + VAT as a day rate...

    And I'm the one who's stupid? LOL!
     
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    Who are you calling Stupid? LOL!

    Go low on price and you're undermining the trade and your own work straight off... grow a back bone and charge what you should be charging.

    Our best customers up to date has been the GMP, Bolton Council, Bury Council, Lancashire Council, ... but hey ho... no bragging rights you know... in fact, to add to that... all of our customers are our best customers.

    Our leads - we don't need any, customers come to us... we don't need to buy leads... our reputation as a reputable company, insurance approved and preferred company to be used by the local government bodies and police says enough.

    Incidentally, we charge labour accordingly to the work being done... sometimes it's £72.00 + VAT per hour, other times its £125.00 + VAT per hour... we even charge £450.00 + VAT as a day rate...

    And I'm the one who's stupid? LOL!
    The advise is for somebody that has never run a business or gone selfemployed, its just a bit of advise for sombody at the bottom of the ladder. Dont reply to this I dont want to waste my time with you.
     
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    Root 66 Woodshop

    £20 per hour self employed is BAD advice. End of. OP should work out his costs and decide what he needs to earn, rather than just pluck a figure out of the air or off a forum.

    I totally agree, based upon a standard day... say 8 hours... if you have 5-6 jobs booked in (as an example) you're looking at an estimated 2-3 hours travelling... depending upon locations, traffic on the roads etc etc you just can't tell these days :)


    this will then mean you're only pulling in £100 - £120 per day, insurance costs, diesel/petrol, Tax... you're on about £7.50 an hour...

    may as well pack it in before you've started...
     
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    My father worked very successfully as a gardener / handyman for a number of years. If you're reliable and trustworthy then I'd say there's definitely enough business out there, it might just take a while to get your name known. He tried advertising in the local newspaper at first but there was little return on investment, however if there is a local free community paper in your area these seem to work well for this sort of work. Most of his work came from people recommending him. It takes a while to get the recommendations but it's definitely worth it in the end. Many of his clients had no family, so he would take them to appointments, shopping etc, so he became much more than a handyman. Good luck
     
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    Good friend of mine is an “all trades” maintenance man - a joiner originally by trade but is capable of most work. He is now doing excellently well through estate agencies - he is principal contractor for one locally who are one of the biggest in Bolton and Bury and has now taken on two more. Gets some excellent jobs from changing locks to fixing a leaking tap to replacing windows, a full decorate throughout (magnolia all round!) after a tenant leaves, replacing a bathroom suite etc. It can be anything and everything that a tenant has a problem with or landlords need updating basically and they need it sorting ASAP.

    Could well be worth you approaching some local estate agents and offering your services? He started off just being trialled for a few jobs but they loved his work, flexibility and reaction times and that’s now where the majority of his work comes from and has just taken on a second man and van.
     
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    I totally agree, based upon a standard day... say 8 hours... if you have 5-6 jobs booked in (as an example) you're looking at an estimated 2-3 hours travelling... depending upon locations, traffic on the roads etc etc you just can't tell these days :)


    this will then mean you're only pulling in £100 - £120 per day, insurance costs, diesel/petrol, Tax... you're on about £7.50 an hour...

    may as well pack it in before you've started...
    You silly little mug the guy that’s looking for help to get his business off the ground is probably on £10 ph so on £80 a day what’s wrong with you do you want to help people to increase there income ?
     
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    ^ Bit arsey, but I agree with the premise that everyone's gotta start somewhere. Root 66 sure seems to make changing lock sound complicated. Being a master locksmith IS complicated, but changing a Euro cylinder for an old dear is money for old rope- yet also a service there is a demand for. A bit of chat over the homemade cake and pot of tea, and OP will be getting calls from all her bingo friends wanting bits and peices done.

    The only advice you need on top of this is - when you have a full diary, put your prices up. Say you have ten customers in a week, and you charge them all £10 for ease of maths. Put your prices up to £11. One says 'that's too expensive'. Good riddance to them. You're now making £99 rather than £100- but you have a slot free! Fill that and you're making £110. Repeat this cycle as your clients, skills and tools increase. You won't get rich but you'll make an honest living without having to kiss arse.
     
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    Root 66 Woodshop

    You silly little mug the guy that’s looking for help to get his business off the ground is probably on £10 ph so on £80 a day what’s wrong with you do you want to help people to increase there income ?

    I'm a mug because I disagree with you? LOL!

    get a grip lil fella.

    and I'm a mug? because I charge fair prices... seriously? LOL!

    :D :D :D

    You're not giving good advice, and with all due respect @bodgitt&scarperLTD if you provide a service and reduce the quality of locks on a door YOU are liable... telling someone it's easy, is fine ... it is... it's one screw, as a MLA Locksmith and insurance approved company WE tell people how to change their own cylinders, if the customer isn't convinced that its an easy job to do then we go out and provide the service... but WE much prefer to explain the ease of the job to every customer we speak too... doesn't mean I'm making it difficult at all... BUT as I said, you become liable if you replace a cylinder and reduce the security of a property... so you do need to know a bit more than removing a screw... Sorry... for telling the truth of the matter.

    Also, 10 customers in one day... if you're lucky - can sometimes mean a minimum of 13 hour days, you wont get them on the same street, you wont get them in the same neighbourhood - travel costs, running of a vehicle (as I've already stated) all adds up... so at £10.00 an hour, even putting up to £11.00 an hour is not going to cover costs... and I wouldn't even be bothered to get out of bed for that TBH.

    To run it properly, the OP needs to be charging at least £40.00 an hour...
     
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    To run it properly, the OP needs to be charging at least £40.00 an hour...

    Surely that depends on the job?

    Round here we have day rates, 1/2 day rates, hourly rates, prices

    We might pay someone £40 to do an hours job, we wouldn't pay them £320 day rate.

    Last time I had a labourer/handyman the day rate was £130 working 8 to 5
    (about 5 years ago)
     
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    Root 66 Woodshop

    Surely that depends on the job?

    Round here we have day rates, 1/2 day rates, hourly rates, prices

    We might pay someone £40 to do an hours job, we wouldn't pay them £320 day rate.

    Last time I had a labourer/handyman the day rate was £130 working 8 to 5
    (about 5 years ago)

    Of course it's subject to the job... but the discussion was to do with an hourly rate... ;)

    Likewise... depending on the job - if it takes us 8 hours to install locks or other security products at a product... then we do have a day rate, however our pricing is subject to the level of skills our engineers have and what they can do... we're not handymen claiming to be Locksmiths... we are fully qualified Locksmiths and Security Engineers... if you don't want to pay for our skills, then fine go elsewhere it's not our issue and we don't hold anyone to any of our quotations...

    On more than one occasion we have been on site for as an example 4 hours and we have charged accordingly... at our going rate of £85.00 + VAT per hour... no one complains, no one asks for us to drop our prices, no one tells us that we're over priced... Why? Because we do exactly what we're trained and qualified to do

    It is all depending the job... for instance...

    The company charges £85.00 + VAT per hour for Locksmithing Work

    The company charges £125.00 + VAT per hour for Safe Work

    The company charges £125.00 + VAT per hour for door automation and gates/barrier work

    The company charges £12.50 + VAT per hour for bench work

    The company charges £7.50 + VAT per cylinder for re-pinning locks

    All of the above does not include parts... :)

    For the work that I do outside the company I charge £40.00 + VAT per hour (that has no conflict) and I have never once had a complaint, again I have never once been told my prices are too high... sometimes I do use my skills as a Locksmith but it has no conflict because I'm not installing Locks or repairing Locks... I'm repairing other mechanical products or building/creating wooden products that may use similar skills... but it's these skills that are being paid for... I am far from being a Labourer or a handyman.

    With that said though, I still stand by the £40.00 per hour, you put yourself out at £10.00 an hour and you're on bare minimum wage, running your own vehicle and paying your own taxes... Sod that! You want to be earning above minimum wage as a self employed person... that's the whole bloody point of it! You're your own boss, you pay your own wages... you pay yourself what you think your worth...

    Do you really think you're only worth £10.00 an hour?

    £40.00 an hour doesn't break anyone's bank and if you have enough skills, it will eventually go up from that too... I know plasterers that charge £300 per room and they're done in a couple of hours... a bag of plaster is between £5.00 - 10.00 a bag + your water (coz they never bring their own ;) ) three bags tops for your one room and they're on to the next room... that's £138.75 per hour...

    I know Electricians that charge £40.00 per hour + parts

    installing a fused spur for instance... is roughly 25 minutes, depending on the route or where they come off... you've paid them £40.00 to have a brew with you for 15 minutes, and the rest is pulling tools out the van and putting it back in...

    I know Plumbers that charge £50.00 per hour + parts


    If you want to drop your prices, go for it... but the only person that you're scrimping is yourself.
     
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    Of course it's subject to the job... but the discussion was to do with an hourly rate.

    But the hourly rate still depends on the job.

    Someone tells you £160 a day, in your mind you convert that to £20 an hour

    Someone tells you £40 an hour, in your mind you convert that to £320 a day

    If I had 5 days work for a handyman and he told me it was going to cost me £1600 he wouldn't get the job.

    The way most I know do it is, they say My hourly rate is £40 but I'll do it on a £160 day rate.

    Note: I'm writing from a punters viewpoint not the workers.
     
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