Greenwash

[Office Mover]

Yes there's certainly big money to be made from 'climate Change'!
What is frustrating, is that there is no debate or alternative views aired, and there are definitely scientist
who do not agree on the man made issues.
Yes we humans are huge polluters and waste vast amounts of resources and we also affect
animal life with our waste, which is not in question. I agree this should be stopped.
Huge profits were made from Covid with masks and hand sanitisers screens etc.
Mask have further polluted the oceans and were seen everyday discarded on the street.

However the 'carbon crisis' being caused by humans should be questioned.
The Earth has had many 'climate changes' over millennia.
Whenever weather changes are mentioned on mainstream media, they talk of 'since records began'
what a few centuries? We should be looking at geology over millions of years.
My own personal opinion is that, this needs talking about freely, without being tarred as a conspiracist!

Due to the ever speeding rollercoaster, businesses who are already finding it hard to stay afloat, are now being burdened
with needing expensive accreditations and green credentials.

 

[IanSuth]

Yes there's certainly big money to be made from 'climate Change'!
What is frustrating, is that there is no debate or alternative views aired, and there are definitely scientist
who do not agree on the man made issues.
Yes we humans are huge polluters and waste vast amounts of resources and we also affect
animal life with our waste, which is not in question. I agree this should be stopped.
Huge profits were made from Covid with masks and hand sanitisers screens etc.
Mask have further polluted the oceans and were seen everyday discarded on the street.

However the 'carbon crisis' being caused by humans should be questioned.
The Earth has had many 'climate changes' over millennia.
Whenever weather changes are mentioned on mainstream media, they talk of 'since records began'
what a few centuries? We should be looking at geology over millions of years.
My own personal opinion is that, this needs talking about freely, without being tarred as a conspiracist!

Due to the ever speeding rollercoaster, businesses who are already finding it hard to stay afloat, are now being burdened
with needing expensive accreditations and green credentials.

There are ice core and tree ring data giving seasonal weather pattern records going back 11k years for ice and 1-2k for tree rings (depending upon location), written records go back to at least the 1700's and further in some places. The UK has a lot of weather data being a nautical nation

 

[Office Mover]

Yes there's certainly big money to be made from 'climate Change'!
What is frustrating, is that there is no debate or alternative views aired, and there are definitely scientist
who do not agree on the man made issues.
Yes we humans are huge polluters and waste vast amounts of resources and we also affect
animal life with our waste, which is not in question. I agree this should be stopped.
Huge profits were made from Covid with masks and hand sanitisers screens etc.
Mask have further polluted the oceans and were seen everyday discarded on the street.

However the 'carbon crisis' being caused by humans should be questioned.
The Earth has had many 'climate changes' over millennia.
Whenever weather changes are mentioned on mainstream media, they talk of 'since records began'
what a few centuries? We should be looking at geology over millions of years.
My own personal opinion is that, this needs talking about freely, without being tarred as a conspiracist!

Due to the ever speeding rollercoaster, businesses who are already finding it hard to stay afloat, are now being burdened
with needing expensive accreditations and green credentials.

Hmm 141 views but only one comment. It seems no one wants to put their head above the parapet?

 

[DazRave]

Hmm 141 views but only one comment. It seems no one wants to put their head above the parapet?

I mean, I read it but you didn't really ask any questions nor did I really have any. The only question you did ask was slightly answered by @IanSuth

What sort of responses are you looking for? As I've lost my pitchfork you see.

 

[bodgitt&scarperLTD]

The main issue for me is that the green accreditations are just bullshit.

Take health and safety accreditation. Big companies just outsource it to some leech, pay a fortune to be CHAS accredited or one of the others, just so they can quote on council tenders etc. it doesn’t change the fact that the bloke at the sharp end on the shovel is minimum wage, unmotivated, and only his level of common sense prevents injury. The overall cost to provide the service is rocketing at no real benefit. There’s a very diminishing level of returns once a country’s industry has moved past the likes of an Indian shipyard with flip flops and a leaky bulk acetylene lorry.

Green accreditation schemes are even worse once you take a logical approach. “We fly out executives out to the states to ‘fact find’, but it’s ok as we offset the emmisions”. Ok, great, so you plant some trees. What happens once the trees have grown? They either rot or are used as firewood, releasing all that carbon back. Unless you put the carbon back underground then there’s no comparison with pulling up oil to burn in that jet, yet millions swallow it.

It gets worse when you look closer. It’s always some third world crap hole doing the planting. So that’s minimal wage, basically slave labour tree planting. Bugger all oversight- were they even planted? No ongoing care- they won’t last a year. Probably also planted in a desert just to tick the box plus another that says some crap like ‘re-greening communities!’ And of course, planting these short lived saplings probably keeps some banana republic within their agreed ‘forestry cover’ allowing them to continue to access international funding based upon this metric- whilst selling off parcels of old growth teak to a government official.

The recycling scam is the same. Just send it to another country who then burn it. The British public are by and large incredibly thick with no critical thinking skills.

 

[fisicx]

@Office Mover - the science is accurate. Agreed there are a few dissenters but the majority agree that the current climate changes are mainly driven by mankind. Doubt was seeded erroneously by the big oil and energy companies in the USA.

 

[Office Mover]

I mean, I read it but you didn't really ask any questions nor did I really have any. The only question you did ask was slightly answered by @IanSuth

What sort of responses are you looking for? As I've lost my pitchfork you see.

The main issue for me is that the green accreditations are just bullshit.

Take health and safety accreditation. Big companies just outsource it to some leech, pay a fortune to be CHAS accredited or one of the others, just so they can quote on council tenders etc. it doesn’t change the fact that the bloke at the sharp end on the shovel is minimum wage, unmotivated, and only his level of common sense prevents injury. The overall cost to provide the service is rocketing at no real benefit. There’s a very diminishing level of returns once a country’s industry has moved past the likes of an Indian shipyard with flip flops and a leaky bulk acetylene lorry.

Green accreditation schemes are even worse once you take a logical approach. “We fly out executives out to the states to ‘fact find’, but it’s ok as we offset the emmisions”. Ok, great, so you plant some trees. What happens once the trees have grown? They either rot or are used as firewood, releasing all that carbon back. Unless you put the carbon back underground then there’s no comparison with pulling up oil to burn in that jet, yet millions swallow it.

It gets worse when you look closer. It’s always some third world crap hole doing the planting. So that’s minimal wage, basically slave labour tree planting. Bugger all oversight- were they even planted? No ongoing care- they won’t last a year. Probably also planted in a desert just to tick the box plus another that says some crap like ‘re-greening communities!’ And of course, planting these short lived saplings probably keeps some banana republic within their agreed ‘forestry cover’ allowing them to continue to access international funding based upon this metric- whilst selling off parcels of old growth teak to a government official.

The recycling scam is the same. Just send it to another country who then burn it. The British public are by and large incredibly thick with no critical thinking skills.

You've summed up my thoughts on all this, thanks. Accreditations and 'policies' are growing like trees-money trees for those that create them!

 

[IanSuth]

You've summed up my thoughts on all this, thanks. Accreditations and 'policies' are growing like trees-money trees for those that create them!

i was listening to a radio commentary the other day about green certifications, some of them seem to be "we gave x tribe £y and by our guess that saved them chopping down z trees so you can buy a share of that and count it as a carbon credit of this much CO2"

I dont think carbon credits should be traded and i think there should be VERY VERY strict advertising standards rules on green claims but i totally agree with anthropomorphic climate change.

When i did A Level geography my teacher had pictures of him on a norwegian glacier in the early 60's where they painted white lines exactly 1 yard above the highest ice level, at that point (mid 80's) they were already way up the canyon wall above the ice level. We used to be able to get out of doing learning by asking him about the other teachers opinion that we were overdue an iceage, he could argue his point re CO2 & Methane induced greehouse effect and the compounding effect of lower albedo as ice melts in alpine areas for hours (and this was way before it was mainstream)

 

[Gyumri]

The British public are by and large incredibly thick with no critical thinking skills

Hogwash!

 

[thetiger2015]

I don't think you can deny climate change but you can argue with the way they're going about 'fixing' said climate change.

Infinitely increasing taxes to pay for wacky schemes in the west, while China/India/Brazil burn more and more coal/wood/plastic seems to be insane but it's simply a fact they've found another stick to beat (tax) us with.

I had the misfortune of needing to travel into a major city recently and holy carp, the so called 'integrated transport network' is a mess isn't it. Street signs with paragraphs and paragraphs of instructions, 20mph zones, cameras everywhere, surveillance, control, don't go over the white line, don't go through the amber light, don't wait in a junction, don't turn left, don't enter this zone between 5pm and 6pm, don't park here, don't drive up this street, don't drive in the bus lane, eco zone no entry to motor vehicles, residential zone no parking between certain hours, no waiting, no stopping, no loading.....jesus! Just stop! How much is all this costing? Billions! It doesn't save the planet. They're spending all the money driving around in diesel vans putting up signs to say don't drive a diesel van.

It's all so clearly a big scam. Not climate change. The way they're using tax payer money to fund the 'fix' even though they're making it worse. Look at the ULEZ, the LEZ and the Congestion Charge in London. What a mess that is.

 

[redspan]

Yes, the climate is changing and yes, people are being duped, taxed, and fined with the excuse that it's somehow going to stop climate change. You can't. Even if the UK went to net zero by tea time today, it won't make any difference because as a country we only account for 2% of the global emissions.

We should use our innovation and skills to adapt to the changes, not allow ourselves to be brainwashed by the zealotry of what has become the new religion.

 

[Blackford Biz]

Yes there's certainly big money to be made from 'climate Change'!
What is frustrating, is that there is no debate or alternative views aired, and there are definitely scientist
who do not agree on the man made issues.
Yes we humans are huge polluters and waste vast amounts of resources and we also affect
animal life with our waste, which is not in question. I agree this should be stopped.
Huge profits were made from Covid with masks and hand sanitisers screens etc.
Mask have further polluted the oceans and were seen everyday discarded on the street.

However the 'carbon crisis' being caused by humans should be questioned.
The Earth has had many 'climate changes' over millennia.
Whenever weather changes are mentioned on mainstream media, they talk of 'since records began'
what a few centuries? We should be looking at geology over millions of years.
My own personal opinion is that, this needs talking about freely, without being tarred as a conspiracist!

Due to the ever speeding rollercoaster, businesses who are already finding it hard to stay afloat, are now being burdened
with needing expensive accreditations and green credentials.

There is no climate change emergency. This is a WEF Globalist agenda to make the rich richer. What there is however is a disastrous misuse of the world's natural resources and now as the "righteous" west outsource to China & India, we are hammering our own businesses and citizens for pollution when we allow China to multiply their coal energy and work to their own poor pollution standards.

So how do we change it? Populations will change it over next 40-50 years as world populations drop dramatically but in the meantime it's consumers who need to help. The electric car. What a joke. FLying under the banner of green, it's more like a mixture of black as coal powered manufacturing in China makes the many parts and petrol fuelled machines need to mine the precious lithium and rare metals required to make these economic vehicles run. Don't buy their electric cars now.

Consumers also drive demand. Do we need all we have? Do we need 5 red t-shirts, 4 yellow etc etc. Do we really need our car to self drive? Do we really need banana, apple and assorted fruit drinks (laced in sugar)? NO. Do we need to buy plastic water bottles every day that end up dissolving in fish and causing us cancers? NO.

There's plenty people can do to live a healthy happy life without kicking the ass out of this world. There is no climate crisis, just stupid consumerism.

 

[mitbrille]

Can we agree on the basic at least? Human activities are changing the climate.

From The Royal Society:

Rigorous analysis of all data and lines of evidence shows that most of the observed global warming over the past 50 years or so cannot be explained by natural causes and instead requires a significant role for the influence of human activities.

 

[MBE2017]

Can we agree on the basic at least? Human activities are changing the climate.

From The Royal Society:

I’m sure human activity plays a part, but personally I think the climate would be changing even without mankind’s help. The earth has had much larger concentrations of CO2 than before humans came along, but it is now the highest level since man arrived on the scene.

The reason this movement is mainstream, as another poster pointed out, is to make the rich richer, helped by the echelons at the WEF. Taxes on carbon fuels were great, taxes on electricity will be even better for them.

Does anyone think anyone would resist the introduction of solar, wind power etc IF it truly became free or much cheaper after payback, apart from maintenance charges? Who is making all the money, always follow the money.

All the advocates for Green issues help the rich and Govs to convince the poor that travel, holidays, good food etc is wrong, yet they do more of it than anyone. Another poster suggested you don’t need five t shirts, yet these rich have £20k dresses and suits, often wearing them once? Who are the idiots being played, and by whom?

Most people are lemmings. As said earlier, use technology to find solutions, don’t fall for the rubbish talked about how YOU should behave whilst the rich carry on as normal.

 

[redspan]

The journalist Ross Clark was talking on a podcast recently. He made some good points, like the lunacy of outsourcing manufacturing and food production to other countries to reduce the UK's carbon footprint while they increase the footprint of those countries. The US and China account for 40% of the world's greenhouse gases while the UK accounts for less than 2 percent. Even if we succeed in reaching NetZero targets it won't make much difference. What will happen is that trying to reach NetZero will be utterly unaffordable. It would cost trillions of pounds. Meanwhile, poorer countries are expected to slow their industrialisation and progress towards the standard of living that we take for granted.

 

[IanSuth]

The journalist Ross Clark was talking on a podcast recently. He made some good points, like the lunacy of outsourcing manufacturing and food production to other countries to reduce the UK's carbon footprint while they increase the footprint of those countries. The US and China account for 40% of the world's greenhouse gases while the UK accounts for less than 2 percent. Even if we succeed in reaching NetZero targets it won't make much difference. What will happen is that trying to reach NetZero will be utterly unaffordable. It would cost trillions of pounds. Meanwhile, poorer countries are expected to slow their industrialisation and progress towards the standard of living that we take for granted.

Although that lack of current industrialisation does give some countries an advantage.

If you were designing the UK economy/energy grid/population distribution you wouldnt plan it to be like it is. The UK's infrastructure is a legacy of the 19th century industrial revolution, those countries still to go through that can make more informed decisions on how to do so. I used to deal with a company that originally made the refrigerated snack vending machines, they then added internet connectivity (for restocking, power management and maintenance logging reasons) and then found they could pivot their company to produce power management systems that used solar power (with battery storage) to manage the HVAC and power requirements of homes and businesses in sub saharan Africa. Prior to their involvement a lot of those places suffered with brown outs and intermittent supply really hampering productivity and growth, the old western way of solving that was lots of pylons and redundant supplies etc, this way they are spending less on a better solution (and as a biproduct are "greener")

That is the kind of thing that needs investigating and promoting worldwide, ensuring those growing now grow in a sustainable way which often is actually more economic anyway