GB EORI Issues EU Shipping

[NEF]

Hello

I have had a GB EORI number for a number of years now and used it when importing from China.

My issue now is when I want to ship goods to countries in the EU and use DPD they request my company EORI details... on entering these they show as not valid, and on an EU Eori checker they show as non valid also...

I checked on the UK HMRC website thinking there may have been an issue but my GB EORI details are correct..

What is required do I need a different EORI number ? If so were do I apply ?

Thanks

 

[NEF]

Using this weblink to check my EORI it comes up as invalid..

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/eos/eori_validation.jsp?Lang=en

 

[apricot]

You need to get a new Eori number starts with EU, specific to EU. I am not sure if you can apply yourself, you need to apply via a customs agency. Currently, Germany temporarily suspended Eori numbers but you should be able to get from other countries. If you have Spain VAT number, they provide Eori number by default.

 

[NEF]

So are there any links to apply for this ?

 

[scstock]

I'm drawing a blank on this currently too

 

[scstock]

Here's a link for applying for an EORI number in Belgium:

https://finance.belgium.be/en/customs_excises/enterprises/brexit/customs/general-0/eori-gb

 

[JRatron]

Here's a link for applying for an EORI number in Belgium:

https://finance.belgium.be/en/customs_excises/enterprises/brexit/customs/general-0/eori-gb

Yeah, just note the bit that says
"If no customs declaration has been made before 1 February 2021, the Belgian Customs administration does not consider Belgium to be the first Member State where the operator intends to lodge a customs declaration or apply for a customs decision. The EORI-number will be hence be deleted ex officio to avoid any double entries of operators"

Basically, you should be registering with the first country into which you need to send goods.

 

[scstock]

Wow - I had an EORI number back from them 12 minutes after applying!

Yes, we will ship a consignment to Belgium first.

 

[JRatron]

That's amazing!
Are you vat registered anywhere in EU? I can't work out if the distance selling thresholds have gone, so you effectively need to register for vat straight away?

 

[scstock]

It appears we already had the EORI number from 2009 - I had no idea, was before my time.

We're not currently VAT Registered in the EU. I believe the thresholds are still in place but unless you register for VAT in your customer's country you are placing the responsibility of paying Import VAT on them. After July you only need register in one EU country but until then you would potentially have to register in all 27.

 

[JRatron]

Well that makes it easier! I guess that's why your application was so fast.

Yes, it seems that the MOSS EU vat system was due to be launched at the same time as Brexit and would have made all of this so much simpler, but it's been delayed until July.
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/modernising-vat-cross-border-ecommerce_en

 

[scstock]

Just booked a shipment on DPD and the EU EORI Number didn't work (not enough digits) - so used our UK one.

Took 30-40 minutes to complete all the details, as opposed to 1-2 minutes a couple of weeks ago.

 

[JRatron]

Was that for sending a parcel using the DDP service where you pay all the duties?
There's no set number of characters on the DPD EU EORI validation.
Does it validate here? https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/eos/eori_validation.jsp

If it was for an outgoing DAP consignment where the customer pays the duties, then it's correct to put in your GB EORI, because that's what's needed to get out of the UK

 

[scstock]

DAP was the only option - no option for DDP. There are no Duties under the Brexit deal though are there, only Import VAT?

 

[paulears]

Hang on - I thought the EORI was for your business - I didn't know you needed one for every country - that's madness!

 

[JRatron]

it was certainly presented as a 'no duties' and free trade deal, but specifically it's a 'no duties on products that originate from the UK or EU' deal and this is crucial.
If you supply products that are manufactured or have materials primarily sourced from outside of the UK/EU you can expect that there will be duties to pay to ship them into EU now, even if you have already paid duties to get them into the UK.

John Lewis this afternoon just announced they're halting EU deliveries, quoting nothing to do with Brexit, but their timing is fairly coincidental... - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55576571

 

[JRatron]

Hang on - I thought the EORI was for your business - I didn't know you needed one for every country - that's madness!

You don't, but if you are going to be responsible for taxes and duties of getting products into the EU, you need to have one from one of the countries that's still in the EU. As long as you have 1 EU one you're ok for the whole of Europe.

 

[paulears]

Ah - I see, thanks. Most of my stuff doesn't attract duty, but just a few do at 4%

 

[Mr D]

Got told I needed an EU eori for NI and Eire stuff. Took a few minutes to get.

 

[JRatron]

Got told I needed an EU eori for NI and Eire stuff. Took a few minutes to get.

Can I ask which country you got your EU EORI from and were you vat registered there already?

 

[Mr D]

Can I ask which country you got your EU EORI from and were you vat registered there already?

Eire and no.

 

[JRatron]

Eire and no.

Excellent, thanks

 

[The Soup Dragon]

Shipping from GB to EU you need a GB EORI number

 

[JRatron]

Shipping from GB to EU you need a GB EORI number

If you're happy for your customer to pick up the vat, any applicable duties and clearance fee on the other side then yes, you only need the GB one.

 

[The Soup Dragon]

If you're happy for your customer to pick up the vat, any applicable duties and clearance fee on the other side then yes, you only need the GB one.

Why would you want to pay your customers VAT

 

[JRatron]

Why would you want to pay your customers VAT

For distance selling to B2C customers so they don't have to basically. That's what any EU business sending goods worth less than £135 to UK customers is being asked to do now.
Most end users just want to see a price up front and not get hit with forms, fees and additional costs.

 

[scstock]

it was certainly presented as a 'no duties' and free trade deal, but specifically it's a 'no duties on products that originate from the UK or EU' deal and this is crucial.
If you supply products that are manufactured or have materials primarily sourced from outside of the UK/EU you can expect that there will be duties to pay to ship them into EU now, even if you have already paid duties to get them into the UK.

Does that cut both ways, i.e. EU retailers selling into the UK?

 

[lesliedocherty]

We shipped a £340 jacket to Eire, customer got bill from DHL for
12% Duty - 45 Euro
23% Vat - 97 Euro

 

[lesliedocherty]

Eire and no.

Tried to DM you, can you provide some info on how or where you got the Eire EORI number ?

 

[JRatron]

Tried to DM you, can you provide some info on how or where you got the Eire EORI number ?

I emailed [email protected] who were very helpful.

Here's the initial email reply they sent back to me:
Following on from your request about an Irish EORI number we may be able to supply you with the same. Is it your intention to lodge SAD declarations in Ireland?

You will need to provide the information as requested below by email before we can proceed with an EORI Registration.

In order to register you for EORI we will require the following information:


1. EORI applicants full name:

2. EORI applicants address:

3. EORI applicants phone number and email address:

4. Type of Customs activity the applicant is involved in e.g. Importer/Exporter and goods/services imported/exported:

5. Full name and contact details of the person within the company or agent who can be contacted regarding application if deemed necessary:

6. Irish VAT Number associate with this legal entity, if registered for VAT in Ireland:

7. Other EU member state VAT number(s) associated with this legal entity:

8. We also require confirmation from you that you have not applied for an EORI in another EU Member State other than Ireland:

9. Confirmation that Ireland is the first point of entry for goods being imported.


When this information is received, we will be in a position to assess your application.

 

[JRatron]

We shipped a £340 jacket to Eire, customer got bill from DHL for
12% Duty - 45 Euro
23% Vat - 97 Euro

Where was the jacket manufactured?

 

[lesliedocherty]

Vietnam or Bangladesh, not 100%, but outside the UK

 

[NEF]

Weirdly my GB EORI number now works in the DPD app ..

What happens if consignment details are not attached to the parcel directly.. customs info ,etc

 

[lesliedocherty]

Can I ask as I do not fully understand, why do I want/need an EU EORI number if I have a UK one.

 

[scstock]

Weirdly my GB EORI number now works in the DPD app ..

Yes, I found that when we managed to get one consignment out last week. It would not accept our EU EORI number.

 

[2JP]

If you are paying the EU VAT for an EU customer, then don't you need to register for VAT in the delivery country (as well as have an EU EORI) in order to give them the VAT? (I think only GB have 'boldly' insisted on foreign sellers collecting VAT at point of sale so far (EU MOSS due on 1st July 2021), and only for sales under £135, but if the customer is VAT registered they don't need to, etc, complexity, etc) Seems far simpler not to if you can avoid it; consider letting the customer be the importer for an easier life. Depends if your EU customers are business (they should have their own EU EORI) or consumer (don't need EU EORI and will just pay local customs fees/VAT/duties as I understand it).

I thought NI had an XI EORI number. Most of the confusion is because the GB government insisted everyone get a GB EORI (imports into GB, exports out of GB) but didn't really mention the EU EORI (for if you import into EU country or export out of EU country).

I think some people get confused between imports and exports. Your company can be an exporter from GB (you have a GB EORI) but your customer can be the importer into EU (they have an EU EORI). This is typical for fast parcel operators (e.g. DHL, etc). However, if your company is doing anything with the goods in the EU then you will need an EU EORI (and some form of establishment in the EU, whatever that brings with it).

At least, this is how I understand things. I could be wrong; let me know.

 

[NEF]

My other issue is, do I need to fill in any forms in regard to accounting for my EU vat free sales ... a bit like the ECC sales list that had to previously be completed for vat free sales within the EU ?

 

[billybob99]

Can I ask as I do not fully understand, why do I want/need an EU EORI number if I have a UK one.

Depends if you need another one.

If you are using FBA, you will need at least 2 EORI numbers (1 for UK and 1 for EU if you are importing products in the UK and EU).

 

[2JP]

My other issue is, do I need to fill in any forms in regard to accounting for my EU vat free sales ... a bit like the ECC sales list that had to previously be completed for vat free sales within the EU ?

Just your VAT return as far as I know. The description for the boxes have been updated I have been told. See HMRC website re VAT return or your accountant. One small saving is that EC sales list reporting is a thing of the past. (Avoid the term 'VAT free'. You are selling at zero rate VAT. It's petty but that's the jargon e.g. VAT exempt is another category.) Oh, I think intrastat still happens but that is for the bigger players.

 

[JEREMY HAWKE]

I would say get a good freight forwarder involved I dont think every company can do this in house . Many can but some doing it in house could be the death of them