GAP Insurance

Beermonster

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Not quite related to these forums but hopefully someone here will have a better idea than me.

I've just bought a new car and I always get GAP from the Internet as it's much cheaper than the dealer, but the sales man told me I had to be careful as if I'm dealing with "cheap as chips GAP" who is working from home and I get my GAP from them, if they stop trading then I have no GAP even if it's under written by AXA, LLoyds etc etc

Is this true? could I not go direct to the under writer if cheap as chips stopped trading?
 

Anonymouse72

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no! a salesman telling a fib? never! :p

think we were quoted nearly £500 from the dealer, i got more cover & for a year longer than they quoted for £200. just had a look at ours & it says if they are covered under the FSCS compensation scheme, not too sure if that's what would help us if they went out of business? we got our ISA money back under that from Icesave.
 
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Anthony Halliburton

Hi Ian,

I am an insurance broker (booo!!!) but I do have access to a GAP insurance provider. If you would like me to give you a quote I can take some details over the phone. 07791 550 374.

depending on the price you paid for your car and driving history this sounds very expensive
 
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Anthony Halliburton

Sorry must have misread the question.

The sale of GAP insurance is changing and dealers will need to wait 2 days before offering the sale. (I tried to post a link but unable to as new to this site)

buying from the Internet is fine as long as you read the small print and purchase from a reputable on-line broker. I find looking for reviews on the web can help With choosing the right one.

About going direct - not many insurers allow you to do this and prefer you to access their products via a broker who can offer advice on what you actually need (or don't need).

if you wanted me to assist in sourcing a quotation for you or want some advice please contact me.
 
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Anonymouse72

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buying from the Internet is fine as long as you read the small print and purchase from a reputable on-line broker.

i believe this was the original question

"the sales man told me I had to be careful as if I'm dealing with "cheap as chips GAP" who is working from home and I get my GAP from them, if they stop trading then I have no GAP even if it's under written by AXA, LLoyds etc etc

Is this true? could I not go direct to the under writer if cheap as chips stopped trading?"

so are you able to advise on this?
 
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EDRIAT

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Not quite related to these forums but hopefully someone here will have a better idea than me.

I've just bought a new car and I always get GAP from the Internet as it's much cheaper than the dealer, but the sales man told me I had to be careful as if I'm dealing with "cheap as chips GAP" who is working from home and I get my GAP from them, if they stop trading then I have no GAP even if it's under written by AXA, LLoyds etc etc

Is this true? could I not go direct to the under writer if cheap as chips stopped trading?

Intentionally or otherwise, the salesman is lying.

He's referring to days of old when any man and his dog could set up selling insurance, take your money, never pay the insurer (or claim to self insure it) and run. These days (since 2005) anyone wanting to sell insurance in the UK has to be authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) and courtesy of being so, they're covered by the Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS).

In a nutshell, if you buy an insurance policy from a broker, your contract of insurance is NOT with that broker, but rather with the insurer themselves. In the event that the broker goes out of business, your policy will remain unaffected (although it can get slightly more complicated to claim on if that broker was also the Claim Administrator, but procedures should be put in place by the Insurer to mitigate that, if that was to ever happen).

The only time the FSCS would step in is if the Insurer themselves has gone out of business (e.g. there's no money left to pay your claim with) and if that happens, subject to certain criteria, most people would see the FSCS step in and pay up to 90% of their claim.

In recent years, Dealers have been called out by the FCA for their persistent mis-selling of GAP insurance. The FCA estimate that 98% of all GAP insurance policies sold in the UK are sold via Motor Dealers. That's Motor Dealers who spin lies such as those in the OP of this thread (and far worse) in attempt to justify their vastly over-priced, often low-quality (it's easily possible to get superior policies online - even underwritten by the same insurer as the Motor Dealer's policy!) GAP insurance policies. According to the FCA, Motor Dealers overcharge the UK consumer for GAP insurance by up to £76 million per year!

Hence, the law is changing come September 1st. Originally the FCA proposed to ban Motor Dealers from selling GAP insurance full-stop but under pressure from Motor Industry big-wigs the FCA (demonstrating that they have little spine) reduced this to a measly 4-day cooling off period. The result is that from the point the Motor Dealer first talks to you about GAP insurance they will not be able to sell a GAP insurance policy to you for 4-days (unless you REALLY REALLY want it from them and then YOU can make the decision (aka "be persuaded"?) to buy it from them after 2 days) AND they have to make you aware that you are able to get GAP insurance elsewhere.

The new rules from September 1st can be viewed here: https://www.fca.org.uk/news/ps15-13-guaranteed-asset-protection-insurance-competition-remedy

Coming back to your question, your dealer is talking b*llocks :)
 
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To expand on my previous post I placed an order for a new car over the weekend on a 4 year PCP

The dealer wanted £700 for GAP insurance but looking on the internet I can buy a policy with a £10,000 limit over 4 years which pays the difference between the motor insurers settlement and the outstanding finance balance for a one off payment of £129 from directgap.co.uk
 
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EDRIAT

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To expand on my previous post I placed an order for a new car over the weekend on a 4 year PCP

The dealer wanted £700 for GAP insurance but looking on the internet I can buy a policy with a £10,000 limit over 4 years which pays the difference between the motor insurers settlement and the outstanding finance balance for a one off payment of £129 from directgap.co.uk

Finance GAP insurance is generally, a bad idea. Finance GAP insurance is only ever designed to clear your liability to the finance company (e.g. leave you in a "zero" (no car but no finance) position) and it's a descending level of cover because every month that goes by the amount outstanding on finance decreases (as does the value of your vehicle, granted) but if you consider that with a PCP agreement you have that final balloon repayment to pay, the theory (this being their prediction of "Market Value") is that in the event of a write-off towards the end of the four year term of your PCP, your Motor Insurance payout should be enough to clear most (if not all of) the outstanding finance anyway.

It's also highly possible with a PCP (assuming you got any discount off the list price and/or put a deposit down) that there's never going to be the possibility of being in Negative Equity (where the Motor Insurer's payout at any given time would not be sufficient to clear the remaining finance) in which case a Finance GAP insurance policy could very easily be defunct from the outset - for this reason (apparently) most brokers of GAP insurance have stopped selling Finance GAP insurance.

As a minimum you should be looking at Invoice GAP insurance, though if you did get discount off the manufacturer's list price for your vehicle, Replacement GAP insurance would be superior still. Ideally you should look to buy a "combined" policy too... for example:

Finance GAP insurance, covers the difference between your Motor Insurance payout and the amount outstanding on finance at the time of claim (assuming there is a shortfall)

Invoice GAP insurance, traditionally, covers the difference between your Motor Insurance payout and the original purchase price of the vehicle. In most cases you'd then be able to clear any remaining finance and have money left over to put towards your next car. But if you paid full price for the car, put little or no deposit down and had a high interest rate over a long duration, there could be a period of time in the early days of your finance agreement when the amount of your outstanding financial liability is greater than the original purchase price. For that short period of time, a Finance GAP insurance policy would be temporarily superior to an Invoice GAP insurance policy.

Replacement GAP insurance, traditionally, covers the difference between your Motor Insurance payout and the cost of replacing the vehicle with one of the same Make, Model, Specification, Age and Mileage (or nearest equivalent) at the time of claim, as your original vehicle was when you first bought it. E.g. in the case of a brand new vehicle it'd be paying the difference between your Motor Insurance payout and what it would cost to buy a brand new version of the same (or nearest equivalent) vehicle. Just as with Invoice GAP insurance, in most cases you'd then be able to clear any remaining finance and have money (more money than with an Invoice GAP insurance policy) left over to put towards your next car, but again, if you had paid full whack, little or no deposit, high interest rate, long duration etc etc it's not impossible that the early settlement figure could even be greater than the original vehicle purchase price.

By comparison...

A "combined" Invoice & Finance GAP insurance policy covers the difference between your Motor Insurance payout and the greater of either:
  • The amount outstanding on finance at the time of claim, OR
  • The original purchase price of the vehicle
You can take it one step further too and get a combined Replacement & Invoice & Finance GAP insurance policy which covers the difference between your Motor Insurance payout and the greater of either:
  • The amount outstanding on finance at the time of claim, OR
  • The original purchase price of the vehicle, OR
  • The cost of replacing the vehicle with one of the same Make, Model, Specification, Age and Mileage (or nearest equivalent) at the time of claim, as your original vehicle was when you first bought it.
FYI I work "in" insurance so I have a good comprehension as to how this works. I've also sold cars in the past (for my sins) and have therefore seen GAP insurance being sold (and sold it myself) from the Motor Dealer's perspective. However...I've gleamed most of the information I've posted above from www.GapInsurance.co.uk (Frank Pickles Insurance Brokers). I've bought numerous policies from them over the years and always found them to be incredibly helpful.

Something else for you to consider as well Ian J (or indeed anyone else buying a brand new vehicle), is that with a brand new vehicle, you may find that your Motor Insurance policy already covers your vehicle on a New-For-Old basis in the first year anyway and this could mean that you don't require GAP insurance for that first year. If this is the case, Frank Pickles (and others) allow you to buy a 3-year policy (which is cheaper) and defer the start date so that it just covers years 2, 3, and 4. Or, the other option is that they will also allow you to buy GAP insurance up to 12 months after taking ownership of the vehicle.

They (Frank Pickles) have a good blog article about "New For Old cover" here: http://blog.gapinsurance.co.uk/index.php/2015/02/23/the-perils-of-new-for-old-cover/
 
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Anonymouse72

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ours was return to invoice value cover for 4 years on a new car. as far as i'm aware, any motor insurance we've had hasn't had 'new for old' cover on it, but it's something i'll look out for if/when we buy new again.

for £200, it was piece of mind we were happy to pay for, considering the purchase price of the car.

& yes, very useful info Edriat, thanks for the insight :)
 
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