Fraudulent A-Z Claims

propertea

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How do any Amazon sellers here deal with fraudulent A-Z claims that are still decided in the buyer's favour and refunded at your cost despite submitting proof of delivery? (direct tracking links, signature, GPS at point of delivery, photo with front door open which shows same front door on Street View)

I submit it again in the appeals process and and always get the same automated response from Amazon:

"We have reviewed the buyer’s claim and the information you provided for order XYZ.
Although we understand your position, we stand by our decision."

As if no human being has actually reviewed the proof and seen that this is obviously a fraudulent claim. What more proof could i provide to Amazon? (short of actually driving an associate to the customer's home and showing them the product through their living room window....)

This is getting more common in my store, I sell high value items and not at a huge volume so each loss is a big hit, it is very demoralising and makes me want to pack the whole lot in when this happens!!
 

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@propertea - no humans are involved in the process. It’s totally automated. Amazon take the easy path which is to refund the customer. If you don’t like how Amazon operate, use a different platform.

If you want your money back take legal action.
 
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AmazonGeek

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    Did you upload tracking at the point where you marked it as shipped? This is one of the conditions - you cannot add it later on as Amazon wants the customer to be able to track it from the start and not just when it hasn't been delivered. As above though - small claims court
     
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    AmazonGeek

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    Take small claims against an Amazon customer and they let Amazon know, you will almost certainley lose your Amazon account.
    I've never heard that and I've been doing it for a long time. A few years ago I took action against a buyer who ordered thousands of pounds of stock only to send it all back. Under Amazon's terms I had to fulfil the order (which when laid out, covered the floor of our office) and then refund him when he returned everything. But it was obviously malicious and we took him to the SCC and won about £1k from memory.

    I wouldn't do it lightly but if the customer is obviously acting fraudulently and the sum was significant enough, I personally would take action.
     
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    AlanJ1

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    I've never heard that and I've been doing it for a long time.
    I have heard countless times of it happening, even an instance where they got banend and took Amazon to court over being banned for suing the customer (they then lost, but this was a while ago).

    Amazon claim that any action is versus them as it is there customer and not yours.
     
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    propertea

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    Did you upload tracking at the point where you marked it as shipped? This is one of the conditions - you cannot add it later on as Amazon wants the customer to be able to track it from the start and not just when it hasn't been delivered. As above though - small claims court
    I did yes - it was the tracking info provided by the third party parcel comparison website i booked from - TransGlobalExpress. Showed clear delivery proof if they had bothered to check.
     
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