Finding clients as a web developer

myroundbox

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I know there are lots and lots of web developers on here, so i thought I'd pillage your experiences.

I've been building websites for years, and want to start making money from it but finding clients isn't proving so easy. I feel like I'm missing something obvious to everyone but me. How did everyone else build up their business and get their first sales?

I'm also wondering what tips and advice you have for me. Looking at my website, www.myRoundBox.com is there anything that would put you off choosing me as a developer? Is there anything missing that would convince you too choose me?

It's starting to drive me a bit mad, i have the skills, and i love what i do, but lack the customers.

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Hi Graeme,

Your website is all about you. I'm afraid clients simply don't care what you do in your spare time. They don't even care that you like building websites and that you want to put your skills to good use. Tell the client what you can do for them. Always keep in mind the following question: why should people bother to buy from you? They're not going to buy based on your age or your life story. They're going to buy on the basis that they'll get a really good website, at a good price, at the agreed deadline. How do you prove it? Direct people towards examples of your work, offer them a free appraisal, display testimonials from your delighted customers. Just a few ideas.

I actually really like the design of your website. I think it's fun, original, and really eye-catching. You're clearly good at what you do, but you need to rewrite your content.

Definitely get rid of the admission that you're a teenager and a student. Fair or not, a lot of potential clients will switch off at that point - and in your case this is a barrier you don't need, because you'll probably do a good job if you're given the opportunity.

I also feel I have to say that you're constantly putting "i" instead of "I". This looks really unprofessional and you should correct it.

Good luck!
 
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Hi Graeme,

Your website is all about you. I'm afraid clients simply don't care what you do in your spare time. They don't even care that you like building websites and that you want to put your skills to good use. Tell the client what you can do for them. Always keep in mind the following question: why should people bother to buy from you? They're not going to buy based on your age or your life story. They're going to buy on the basis that they'll get a really good website, at a good price, at the agreed deadline. How do you prove it? Direct people towards examples of your work, offer them a free appraisal, display testimonials from your delighted customers. Just a few ideas.

I actually really like the design of your website. I think it's fun, original, and really eye-catching. You're clearly good at what you do, but you need to rewrite your content.

Definitely get rid of the admission that you're a teenager and a student. Fair or not, a lot of potential clients will switch off at that point - and in your case this is a barrier you don't need, because you'll probably do a good job if you're given the opportunity.

I also feel I have to say that you're constantly putting "i" instead of "I". This looks really unprofessional and you should correct it.

Good luck!
Brill advice :D
 
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Your website is great - very original. I would agree with the previous posters about your age - it may make people think that you are inexperienced and they may also expect a cheaper service.

An idea to promote yourself: there are thousands of mothers out there who are looking to work from home and need a website for their businesses. They may not have huge budgets but it may be a way for you to build up your portfolio of work. You could have a look at the working for yourself sections on the likes of www.netmums.com or www.mumsclub.co.uk Many of these mumpreneurs have started off with a build it yourself website only to become disatisfied with the result and therefore they are looking for resign work too. You could look for their web address in their signatures on the forum posts and contact them with an offer/ideas maybe?

If you are interested, I'll give you a free plug on my mummy website if you like, www.scotmum.org
 
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Hi Graeme,

Your website is all about you. I'm afraid clients simply don't care what you do in your spare time. They don't even care that you like building websites and that you want to put your skills to good use. Tell the client what you can do for them. Always keep in mind the following question: why should people bother to buy from you? They're not going to buy based on your age or your life story. They're going to buy on the basis that they'll get a really good website, at a good price, at the agreed deadline. How do you prove it? Direct people towards examples of your work, offer them a free appraisal, display testimonials from your delighted customers. Just a few ideas.

I actually really like the design of your website. I think it's fun, original, and really eye-catching. You're clearly good at what you do, but you need to rewrite your content.

Definitely get rid of the admission that you're a teenager and a student. Fair or not, a lot of potential clients will switch off at that point - and in your case this is a barrier you don't need, because you'll probably do a good job if you're given the opportunity.

I also feel I have to say that you're constantly putting "i" instead of "I". This looks really unprofessional and you should correct it.

Good luck!
I also think that is a gret bit of advice.

I also like the web site but the only comment about the design it your header IMO is to big in terms of height and means most of your content is to far down the page to make a good first impression.

I also think your gallery isn't what a customer will want ion terms of a web site, and is a little imature (for want of a better word) for a professional approach.

and the big esay it's ages to load in.

Then it's all about gettign your name out there, go on forums and help people, flyer local business, offer to do school web sites, charities etc.

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myroundbox

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Thank you all for replying with some great advice!

Write my Site, I'll get to work rewriting the sites content today, thanks for your suggestions on what to put in. The lower case I is a horrible habit of mine!

Fuzzy, it'll be coming off in the rewrite ;)

Scotmum, that sounds like a great idea and I'll look into those websites later today. A plug would be brilliant as well, once I've got the site in a better condition :)

Totallly Sport, thanks for the advice on the design. The header has been mentioned a couple of times - Think that is the result of my design eye ignoring sense. I'll have a rethink of the header, gallery and possibly a rejig of The Big eSay to make it load faster.

Thanks again everyone!
 
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Hi Graeme

Like Emily I really like the design and would agree that you should take off your age and student status as it's a potential barrier you can do without.

I think the design gives a good indication of your age anyway because it is very young and funky - so if that's what people want then they will be attracted by it.

I also had a look at your portfolio - perhaps a bit more detail about what their brief to you was and how you solved it would help, along with a testimonial from each?
 
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Thank you all for replying with some great advice!

Write my Site, I'll get to work rewriting the sites content today, thanks for your suggestions on what to put in. The lower case I is a horrible habit of mine!

Fuzzy, it'll be coming off in the rewrite ;)

Scotmum, that sounds like a great idea and I'll look into those websites later today. A plug would be brilliant as well, once I've got the site in a better condition :)

Totallly Sport, thanks for the advice on the design. The header has been mentioned a couple of times - Think that is the result of my design eye ignoring sense. I'll have a rethink of the header, gallery and possibly a rejig of The Big eSay to make it load faster.

Thanks again everyone!
A possitive attitude to the feedback is also a good point.
 
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Hi Graeme

The design is great, it looks very slick and original. As already mentioned, take all of the personal references off of the site, you need to promote yourself as a business, not as a hobby web designer. Always write your text in third person, not first person.

In order to get more work, I would start locally; find out who are the design agencies that operate in your area. Put together an electronic portfolio and send it to them, tout your self as a freelancer who can do their overflow design work. This is a good way to make local contacts and start building a name for yourself.

Also join local business forums and societies, these are a good way to pick up local business.

Theres no quick route I'm afraid, its all about getting seen and making a good name for yourself.

Great design work! - real potential.

Cheers

Jamie
 
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Slight spanner in the works:)
Right personally i like the site...
But i feel its to much of a web designer look driven site.
What im trying to say is...as a designer it looks nice but i feel the site does not offer enough call to action for smaller business owners or big business owners in fact.
If im a plumber looking for a site i want information in front of me a guide price or at least something that actually grabs me and makes me want to contact you.
As the site stands it comes across as a Ive made sites for my mates and heres my cv.
Nothing about how a website can increase sales for a business owner and nothing that really sells anything.
As i said i like the actual design although it does appear a templated site but use of graphics and good quality written text should do the trick and also some basics with seo might also help you a little as it stands your website will not be found.
 
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Drop your age and the 'informal' approach that you have adopted on your homepage.

When I clicked on your link I was impressed with the visuals but was then put off within 10 seconds of reading your opening message. Herein lies your problem, but I very much doubt that you are getting organic traffic looking for your services?....

.....surely you are flier dropping etc and then maybe a few a checking out your site and then being put off as I would. The fact you declare you are a 'student' (which you are obviously) makes me feel you are still learning and are unqualified.

I would click off (I am just trying to help and not be rude).

I would advise a more third person approach.... we, company approach. Get rid of the oval pictures of you and maybe replace with your projects. Default your gallery page to 'websites' rather than 'drawings'.

Shell out your project links to new windows so your site is still open. Your portfolio is very much 'I did this for my friend/local cricket club' etc..... it just doesnt seem very professional to me, more like you are helping your mates out etc

I hope this helps as an honest response.
 
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Thank you both for your opinions. Nitro, it does sound rude, but I'm not looking for people to tell me I'm brilliant and I'm doing everything right - So your honesty has been well received ;)

I'll work on making the website more professional and tidying up the layout to make it a bit more sleek. When I first put the website up the page layouts were very boxy and would of looked much more professional I think. Though I didn't think it reflected me as a person, so I changed it to how it is now with the speech bubbles and characters. Do you think they're the wrong choice and I should maybe go back to a more traditional page layout? I'm thinking the answer is probably yes... Though I like that the website isn't normal, that's how I build websites, I try and make them stand out. But do people looking for a new website like that? Or do you think they'd prefer to just see the normal page layout?

It's clear I'm also going to have to work on my portfolio quite a bit as well.

And no, no organic traffic at all really. Quite clearly lacking in SEO skills!

Hopefully once I have the site sorted out I'll be onto something. It's nice knowing I'm not on a sinking ship at least!

Thank you all again!
 
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Also, would be great if you could have a proper phone number, maybe your home one as your in the holidays at the moment? I LOVE the site, more content would be good too though! Also, as regards the twitter bit, make it business orientated rather than yourself?
 
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Perharps the domain name. It's not business like, and not website service provider related. The footer and header are far too large than the web contents. I think if you're a proffesional website developer you should know all this. Great icons but the perspective distance is too far. I wouldn't be intrested in the icon sizes or the website name font if I was a customer. It would be much better to lose the footer perspective and replace with other useful small text/information such as what services you offer, site map, copy right etc. Stick to the standard layouts in the middle section, yours is very unbisuness like. Forget gallery (portiflio), about should be on the very right. My previous website might be of help; gadgetgospel.com I'm 18yrs myself and I'm planning on doing the very same thing in the near future. Just haven't found the time.
 
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I love your website - the colours and design are so eye catching - and very modern and fresh!!

I am looking for someone to design a site for my new cattery - could you email please.

At the moment it will just be a page or two to get me listed on the web - once the cattery is in place and running then new pages along with photos can be added.

Thanks

Poppy
 
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First thing to say is that it is great to see a young Scotland based lad getting his backside in gear and doing something like this.

Second thing to say is do not worry about getting things wrong, because you are young getting things wrong is a by product all you have to do is learn form them. I still get things wrong every day and I am way more than double your age.

With regards the site

As has been suggested get rid of virtually everything about you and make it about your clients and what you can do for your future clients.

Yes get rid of your age as it will put off the vast majority of businesses.

Site looks good but that is just me I cannot tell good design from bad.

Have you thought about trying to get some work with established agencies ? You would learn an awful lot about seo/sem if you could work with a agency that would better equip you going forward.

What you like with social media ? I could have some work for you .

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Making websites stand out is a GOOD thing. Based on the responses to this thread, more people like than dislike your design. Someone has even posted to ask you for a quote - that's a great result!

You can't please everyone, and I think you should have confidence in your original decision to do something different. There are plenty of bland, boring websites out there. Yes they're safe but they're also mediocre. That's bad enough for any business, but fatal for a web designer. Stick with your original design, whilst bearing usability in mind (the point about the copy being below the fold is a good one so you may want to tweak your header).


I'll work on making the website more professional and tidying up the layout to make it a bit more sleek. When I first put the website up the page layouts were very boxy and would of looked much more professional I think. Though I didn't think it reflected me as a person, so I changed it to how it is now with the speech bubbles and characters. Do you think they're the wrong choice and I should maybe go back to a more traditional page layout? I'm thinking the answer is probably yes... Though I like that the website isn't normal, that's how I build websites, I try and make them stand out. But do people looking for a new website like that? Or do you think they'd prefer to just see the normal page layout?
 
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I also like the difference of the design/ layout.
Upon viewing source I see the description isnt very strong and the keywords used havent been given a huge amount of thought considering you are marketing to the world or at least UK wide and one (developement) is misspelt (not a bad thing to use if done purposefully as many misspelt words are searched for but the correct spellign should also be present) .

SO how to find clients? JV with marketeers who dont do website design, JV with other businesses who have a lot of B2B dealings and could refer/ endorse you to their clients for a % deal.

Contact your business centres and start up help groups and offer to do talks or helpful advice to their members and build relationships like that

Keep moving forwards like you are doing and it will happen for you.

Mike
 
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myroundbox

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Thanks again everyone for your help and advice. Poppy and Peter, I've sent you PMs about your websites :)

Also, would be great if you could have a proper phone number, maybe your home one as your in the holidays at the moment? I LOVE the site, more content would be good too though! Also, as regards the twitter bit, make it business orientated rather than yourself?

The lack of phone number does seem like a problem, and I'll sort that one out. I'm thinking of separating my twitter as it isn't very relevant to the website at times!

Perharps the domain name. It's not business like, and not website service provider related. The footer and header are far too large than the web contents. I think if you're a proffesional website developer you should know all this. Great icons but the perspective distance is too far. I wouldn't be intrested in the icon sizes or the website name font if I was a customer. It would be much better to lose the footer perspective and replace with other useful small text/information such as what services you offer, site map, copy right etc. Stick to the standard layouts in the middle section, yours is very unbisuness like. Forget gallery (portiflio), about should be on the very right. My previous website might be of help; gadgetgospel.com I'm 18yrs myself and I'm planning on doing the very same thing in the near future. Just haven't found the time.

I'm planning on reworking the header and footer to make them smaller, I'll be taking your advice into consideration when I do it :)

Making websites stand out is a GOOD thing. Based on the responses to this thread, more people like than dislike your design. Someone has even posted to ask you for a quote - that's a great result!

It is! I'll be changing the header and footer a bit too make them smaller definitely. I've not decided whether to change the mid section layout yet though. Content will definitely be changed too!

Mike, SEO is clearly not my strong point. I'll be working on that though, thanks for the advice :)
 
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Agree with the others, your site, design-wise is simply awesome, best I have seen in a few years and I always look at web designers' websites and come away feeling underwhelmed.

One quick thing regarding your portfolio perhaps open the sites in another page/tab rather than navigating away from your site? And as mentioned before look at JV with SEO/PPC companies, I would recommend you no problems and you are only 1 of 2 design companies I have encountered in the last 8 years I would pass work to based on the strength of the designers site and/or portfolio.

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Agree with the others, your site, design-wise is simply awesome, best I have seen in a few years and I always look at web designers' websites and come away feeling underwhelmed.

One quick thing regarding your portfolio perhaps open the sites in another page/tab rather than navigating away from your site? And as mentioned before look at JV with SEO/PPC companies, I would recommend you no problems and you are only 1 of 2 design companies I have encountered in the last 8 years I would pass work to based on the strength of the designers site and/or portfolio.

Gary

Thanks for that :) You've filled me with confidence!

Hopefully by putting in the work that's required I can get myself going properly. Thanks again for your advice, I certainly have a busy weekend ahead of me.

Graeme
 
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Well I liked what I saw (and I have looked at hundreds and hundreds of websites) looking for inspiration for my cattery website design.

Many designers are just too boring and staid.

I have been in contact with Graeme and he is working on a design for me.

A website is ALL important - and an exciting eye catching one will certainly make people take more notice - and hopefully stick around to read about my business.- and then come out to visit the cattery.

Cheers Graeme.

Poppy
 
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clearly the issue is how you have discribed yourself on the homepage, becuase most of the people in this forum who visited your site probably replied to you without looking at the rest of your site properly, probably thinking this guys ammature, i had a thorough look and your work is brilliant, i also know the reason your describing yourself is with sarcasm, you know what your doing, its a marketing gimmick to attract customers, you'v created this brilliant personality on the website that small business and start ups would love to deal with who are abit nervous about going to big companies straight away, its all about creativity, something your very good at, and this is ur creative sense working the marketing side of things

as for customers, maybe move the im 18 and student bit to another page, so customers acutally take a look at your website thoroughly without getting the wrong impression and first sight

hope that helps, if you really needed it, had me attracted to the site...
 
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Your projects page doesn't render properly in IE7, have you tested your site under various browsers? Try www.browsershots.org.

I had only tested IE 7 through the IE 8 compatibility views, I'll look into fixing it on the update :)

myroundbox

clearly the issue is how you have discribed yourself on the homepage, becuase most of the people in this forum who visited your site probably replied to you without looking at the rest of your site properly, probably thinking this guys ammature, i had a thorough look and your work is brilliant, i also know the reason your describing yourself is with sarcasm, you know what your doing, its a marketing gimmick to attract customers, you'v created this brilliant personality on the website that small business and start ups would love to deal with who are abit nervous about going to big companies straight away, its all about creativity, something your very good at, and this is ur creative sense working the marketing side of things

as for customers, maybe move the im 18 and student bit to another page, so customers acutally take a look at your website thoroughly without getting the wrong impression and first sight

hope that helps, if you really needed it, had me attracted to the site...

That is kind of what I was going for, I wanted people to be attracted to hiring me for who I am. I really do need to talk about what i can do for businesses though and i think the whole thing needs a rewrite. But i will keep your thoughts in mind, as i would like the website to retain some of it's character!

Thanks!
 
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I like the personal touch, but the previous poster was right about keeping it focused on what you can do for other businesses and leaving things about yourself for a dedicated page perhaps - so if they are interested in you and the fact you go snowboarding then they'll find out - if they look for it.

The "starting up - well I can help with that!" is a great feature in my opinion and those are the kind of things that I feel you've got right.

The design is phenominal and your skills definately lye in creating origional, eye catching graphics.
 
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Focus on the cusomer, not so much on yourself on your site. When you do focus on yourself, make sure it is only on a quality your target customer group is looking for

What can you do for them?

People tend to look for themselves, or what they aspire to be when they ar buying. Example:

I am also a wedding photographer: Invariably, I book brides that are in the same social class, and area as the ones we put on the website. Why - because they look at the site, and can connect with the brides, the wedidng, the ambience of the weddings they are looking at. Exentially they can easily project themselves into what they see

You need to do this with your website design site. If you want young funky customers, then you are heading in the right direction. Another poster said that web developer sites looked a bit boring - that will be because invariably, web developers / designers are aiming at a very conservative market (where they feel the money is), where the following things are looked for - Answering the phone in office hours, A real understanding of thier business, stability, demonstration of knowlege & ability, reassurance from previous customers, a logical thought out methodology etc.

I would deffinatally add a proper landline phone number the binary thing on your website is actually where the phone number should be - so is confusing.. it almost says "unfinished site"

I would definatally produce a second more muted site, in a different domain - and aim at both markets. The young funky market is a great one, but isnt as lucrative on a day in day out basis as the more business oriented conservative market. Showing you can cut it in a corporate or e-commerce environment, will bring you in more work. A corporate ;/ e-commerce customer will avoid you at the moment, because your site says "im a kid" and what they are looking for is someone whom they can relate with, trust, that will understand how the business operates without excessive explaination

I would go and get a mentor at business link - they will review your prices, your business proposition with a level head with you, face to face. Also, if you can get on thier approved list of suppliers, they will start recommending you jobs

You need to identify what it is in the market you do.. Example - do you create sites for the creative sector - photographers, artists etc.. Or for the childrens sector etc.. I dont get a feeling that you particularly specialise in anything

Remove all references to age, and have someone (or a group of people) go through the copy with you on the basis of "how is this selling to me" - if you can find a younger entreprenner to do this, even better. When you think about it, there is plenty of advertising for the "younger" market - take barcardi breezer for example.. Look at those adverts - how and why are they constructed like that? Learn from the analysis, and apply it to your site

If you look at a local government tender - they are looking for Insurance, stability, audited accounts, examples of work, references - in other words that are looking for reassurance you will be ther tommorow, next year, you can do the job, you have your business side sorted. There is a perception in webdesign that it is done by teenagers in a bedroom - what ever market you aim at, you need to make sure you are NOT projecting that image. Businesses are not looking for somone who is looking for another project, they invariably are looking for someon that can do the job, and if needed will be there in 1, 2, 5, 10 years time too. I pick up so much work from companies that had an awful experience with the previous designer. the common complaints are

- registering domains in the designers name
- hosting domain in designers webspce
- cant acess the webspace, designer gone AWOL
- job not completed
- can not contact the designer part the way through a build
- designer just not understood the brief

If you can address these issues, and reassure yoru potential customers, you will go a long way
 
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Focus on the cusomer, not so much on yourself on your site. When you do focus on yourself, make sure it is only on a quality your target customer group is looking for

What can you do for them?

People tend to look for themselves, or what they aspire to be when they ar buying. Example:

I am also a wedding photographer: Invariably, I book brides that are in the same social class, and area as the ones we put on the website. Why - because they look at the site, and can connect with the brides, the wedidng, the ambience of the weddings they are looking at. Exentially they can easily project themselves into what they see

You need to do this with your website design site. If you want young funky customers, then you are heading in the right direction. Another poster said that web developer sites looked a bit boring - that will be because invariably, web developers / designers are aiming at a very conservative market (where they feel the money is), where the following things are looked for - Answering the phone in office hours, A real understanding of thier business, stability, demonstration of knowlege & ability, reassurance from previous customers, a logical thought out methodology etc.

I would deffinatally add a proper landline phone number the binary thing on your website is actually where the phone number should be - so is confusing.. it almost says "unfinished site"

I would definatally produce a second more muted site, in a different domain - and aim at both markets. The young funky market is a great one, but isnt as lucrative on a day in day out basis as the more business oriented conservative market. Showing you can cut it in a corporate or e-commerce environment, will bring you in more work. A corporate ;/ e-commerce customer will avoid you at the moment, because your site says "im a kid" and what they are looking for is someone whom they can relate with, trust, that will understand how the business operates without excessive explaination

I would go and get a mentor at business link - they will review your prices, your business proposition with a level head with you, face to face. Also, if you can get on thier approved list of suppliers, they will start recommending you jobs

You need to identify what it is in the market you do.. Example - do you create sites for the creative sector - photographers, artists etc.. Or for the childrens sector etc.. I dont get a feeling that you particularly specialise in anything

Remove all references to age, and have someone (or a group of people) go through the copy with you on the basis of "how is this selling to me" - if you can find a younger entreprenner to do this, even better. When you think about it, there is plenty of advertising for the "younger" market - take barcardi breezer for example.. Look at those adverts - how and why are they constructed like that? Learn from the analysis, and apply it to your site

If you look at a local government tender - they are looking for Insurance, stability, audited accounts, examples of work, references - in other words that are looking for reassurance you will be ther tommorow, next year, you can do the job, you have your business side sorted. There is a perception in webdesign that it is done by teenagers in a bedroom - what ever market you aim at, you need to make sure you are NOT projecting that image. Businesses are not looking for somone who is looking for another project, they invariably are looking for someon that can do the job, and if needed will be there in 1, 2, 5, 10 years time too. I pick up so much work from companies that had an awful experience with the previous designer. the common complaints are

- registering domains in the designers name
- hosting domain in designers webspce
- cant acess the webspace, designer gone AWOL
- job not completed
- can not contact the designer part the way through a build
- designer just not understood the brief

If you can address these issues, and reassure yoru potential customers, you will go a long way

Thanks! You have given me a lot to think about there, i'll also look into the business link idea as I hadn't looked into it before!

Thanks again,
Graeme
 
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