Finding a reliable Chinese manufacturer

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Rightsaidfred333

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The last few weeks i have been on the Internet and LinkedIn searching for reliable suppliers of very good quality human hair of European and Indian origin.

I receive replies with prices and always seem to have to pay for samples (ok, fine).

But im starting to hear people losing a lot of money once they decide on a supplier so i want to ask how you decide who is a good supplier and who isn't?

If the email address is hotmail / gmail etc, does this mean its not a reputable company? Shall I ask for vat certs?

What else shall I look for? Does anyone have a contact of an agent who can help me source a decent factory?

They're hundreds out there and its proving tough.

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Thanks.

Tried Alibaba and there's a ton of factories to choose from i just don't know where to start.
You are right to be cautious. The tons of factories you refer to are almost certainly not factories but resellers or wholesalers.

You are also right to avoid suppliers using free email addresses. Finding an agent to direct you to a factory can sometimes be as problematic as finding a factory yourself.

You will need to ensure that regulations regarding import of human hair products are complied with. I am not the one to deal with that, but among the things I teach in my book on importing I explain where to find help in that regard. I don't disclose this online because they would finish up receiving a lot of unnecessary calls.

Regarding samples, yes you will have to pay for them and also for the air courier charges. Those charges may seem excessive, and sometimes the suppliers will definitely charge too much, but you may be surprised at how much it will cost to ship such small weight items. This is something you must put up with for your sample purchase, but always shop around.

You would rarely find it cheaper to arrange courier shipments locally, even using the same company as the ones used by the supplier, because they ship out so many parcels that they can obtain very good rates.
 
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It is really hard to find the right suppliers for a foreigner in China, you are right to be cautious. I am currently based in China, maybe I can give you some help, PM me if you are interested.
I have been locating reliable suppliers in China and other countries for 22 years and have no problems doing so.
 
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Rightsaidfred333

Thanks.

I have asked some of the factroies i have been incontact with for rerefernces whom i can contact ie, other copanies they supply to. I was told by one factory that they have been asked by the copanies they supply to, to keep this secret.

Are they pulling a fast one on me?
 
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I have asked some of the factroies i have been incontact with for rerefernces whom i can contact ie, other copanies they supply to. I was told by one factory that they have been asked by the copanies they supply to, to keep this secret.

Are they pulling a fast one on me?
Few factories in China will provide references, so that is not unusual.

There are many other things to do to check out a supplier. Do they have a website with their address shown? Do they have a telephone number with an area code that corresponds with the postal code for the address? I show in my book how to find those numbers. Have you requested a print copy of their catalogue? If you have one, does the address coincide with the address on the website? If no address is shown on the catalogue, or if the address is on an attached sticker,they are not manufacturers.

There is a lot more involved in ensuring the genuineness of a supplier, but it takes up nearly four A4 pages in my book, so I can't post it all here.

If you have found a genuine manufacturer, you should get prices better than you would get from a wholesaler or reseller pretending to be a manufacturer. Have they told you how they want to be paid? If they ask for payment via Western Union or T/T, you should look elsewhere.
 
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Rightsaidfred333

Yes they usually say to pay via, Western Union, Bank Transfer and occasionally Paypal. Which method would you say is acceptable to continue discussions? Also, they want 100% up front. Ive never dealt in this way before albeit, not with Chinese, but still, what would you recommend is a fair negotiation on payment terms?

Ive only received 1 print copy of a catalogue with the arrival of a sample but not with any of the others.
 
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Yes they usually say to pay via, Western Union, Bank Transfer and occasionally Paypal. Which method would you say is acceptable to continue discussions? Also, they want 100% up front. Ive never dealt in this way before albeit, not with Chinese, but still, what would you recommend is a fair negotiation on payment terms?

Ive only received 1 print copy of a catalogue with the arrival of a sample but not with any of the others.
I would avoid those who ask for Western Union or bank transfer. PayPal gives you some protection, as does payment by credit card.

100% payment upfront is not usual. You should require no more than 50%, with the balance on proof of shipping. To some extent this will all depend on the total quantity and value.

You should not place a large order to start with. Test them with a small order to a value that you are prepared to risk losing. None of the people following my methods have reported any loss of money, and none have reported being unhappy with the goods they have bought, but they have gone about sourcing in a way quite different to what you have done.

Does the printed catalogue you received have the address printed, and does it match their website details?

I suspect that you may be heading for a bit of bother, so if you like to PM me with the name/s of the possible suppliers you have found I will be happy to do a quick check for you. I have 22 years experience in importing, so I know the ropes.

One more thing you need to know at this stage is freight cost. Have they quoted you?
 
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We would all be interested in who the suppliers are - maybe we also have some knowledge that we can share?

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I can understand Rightsaidfred333's reluctance to disclose the suppliers because this is a highly specialised field in which it is very difficult to find good suppliers.

Coincidentally, today I received a support request from one of my book buyers in another country asking for my advice on how to deal with a problem to do with custom made human hair products failing to meet specifications.

Following my instructions she had found a trustworthy supplier, but had overlooked the fact that I had already dealt with that problem in the book. The solution was just to point her to the right page.

I have responded by PM to Rightsaidfred333 but can put some of the information in the public arena. Of the 7 suppliers she listed, I would avoid 4 because they exhibit telltale signs of potentially being unsatisfactory. The other 3 may be satisfactory but more due diligence work must be done by Rightsaidfred333 to be reasonably certain.

None of the ones listed have impeccable credentials, and to give an idea how difficult the sourcing for this product type can be, there are only a handful of suppliers that the appropriate trade organisation is willing to vouch for. Only two of their recommended suppliers will provide references.

To my mind this case highlights the need for great care in product sourcing as well as thoughtful preparation before placing orders. I have seen too many cases of people placing an order and then realising that they have to think of shipping the goods.
 
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Normally you can follow up 3 steps:

1. Search and select a few potential suppliers on B2B website like Alibaba, Made-in-China or get some references from your friends;

2. Hire a 3rd party inspection company to visit these potential suppliers; They will evaluate these suppliers on your behalf in terms of background, production facilities, capabilities, management system and etc.

3. Select the most qualified suppliers according to the reports provided by the 3rd party.

If time and budget permit, you can go to step 4: visit the qualified supplier by yourself.
 
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Rightsaidfred333

Thank you all for your replies and insights. It has been most helpful.

I am in contact with a couple of agents now who have my enquiries.

I have also found a trade show in China whereby hair factories seem to be exhibiting, so i may visit and incorporate some visits to these factories.

Has anyone on here also dealt with European / Russian / Cambodian / Indian factories? Have you found the same applies with these nations in comparison to China? I hear India is rather difficult to deal with and even worse than the Chinese.

Ive read the shipping thread. Most of these Chinese factories are FOB. Once i have decided on my order, will these factories quote me for shipping (from their factory to the port) but then is it up to me to get quotes from the port to my office address?

Bear with me - its a steep learning curve for me.
 
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Thank you all for your replies and insights. It has been most helpful.

I am in contact with a couple of agents now who have my enquiries.

I have also found a trade show in China whereby hair factories seem to be exhibiting, so i may visit and incorporate some visits to these factories.

Has anyone on here also dealt with European / Russian / Cambodian / Indian factories? Have you found the same applies with these nations in comparison to China? I hear India is rather difficult to deal with and even worse than the Chinese.

Ive read the shipping thread. Most of these Chinese factories are FOB. Once i have decided on my order, will these factories quote me for shipping (from their factory to the port) but then is it up to me to get quotes from the port to my office address?

Bear with me - its a steep learning curve for me.
Visits to trade shows are a good idea, but I suggest contacting the exhibitors before you go. You can then have some idea of their potential before you meet them.

As a general rule it is not a good idea to make firm commitments at trade shows unless you have already had considerable communication and the personal contact is the last stage before proceeding to do business.

You will not find it so easy to do business in India or Cambodia. I have no experience with Russian suppliers, but Russia is notorious for scammers, so any enquiries you make should be approached with caution. My book shows a safe way to locate suppliers in countries such as Russia and Eastern Europe. It does not involve usual search methods, which I would advise against you attempting.

When you say European I assume you mean Eastern Europe? Those countries that are EU members have fairly good trade systems in place and you may find suitable suppliers there. In the case of Eastern Europe also you will find it difficult to locate suppliers by usual search methods.

Prices are almost always quoted FOB as a matter of routine. You should ask suppliers to quote door to door air courier for the relatively small weight shipments you would be buying. Suppliers in China ship out huge volumes and are usually able to obtain very good rates.
 
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RussianMarket

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Hello, it is very common for many businesses in China still do not have an adequate website or none at all. Paypal is also very limited in China - only HK. We have our own agents in China to check the suppliers and the shipment, so please PM and we'll see if we could help. Our business is to insure teh smooth process in international trade, incl investigation, receiving and analysing information.
 
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Hi,

Human hair is indeed an area where you have to be very careful, as there are lots of different qualities in the market with varying markets.

We help a couple of clients source human hair from China and they have been quite pleased with the quality so far. If you could let us know your requirements, we might be able to help. As we specialise in sourcing for the UK Market we have a lot of UK references and quite a few forum members use us here.
 
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Fredrik_Gronkvist

The last few weeks i have been on the Internet and LinkedIn searching for reliable suppliers of very good quality human hair of European and Indian origin.

There is no general definition of “good quality”, but there are international standards and product specifications. What your Chinese supplier considers to be good quality may be considered junk in the UK. Hair product quality is defined by product specifications such as;

1.) Length
2.) Style (i.e. “Wavy”)
3.) Hair Grade (i.e. Remy Hair)
4.) Place of Origin (i.e. India)
5.) Virgin / Non-Virgin hair
6.) Material (Human hair in this case)
7.) Shedding / No-Shedding
8.) Tangle free / not tangle free
9.) Softness
10.) Gloss
11.) Other treatments

When importing from China and other low cost country you are expected to provide the specifications for your product. The best way is to sign a simple and short Sales Agreement with the supplier. A Sales Agreement is more than a legal document, it’s a way to communicate your requirements to the supplier and it can certainly prevent disastrous misunderstandings!

Btw, check out Aliexpress, HKDTC and Alibaba as well.

I receive replies with prices and always seem to have to pay for samples (ok, fine).

Yes, these suppliers receive tons of enquiries every day. If they would start to send out free samples they would have to charge much more for their products to cover the expenses.

But im starting to hear people losing a lot of money once they decide on a supplier so i want to ask how you decide who is a good supplier and who isn't?

Yes, mostly because of misunderstandings regarding product quality. Again, there’s no universal definition of “good quality”. Earlier today I wrote another reply on this subject so I’ll quote myself;

“The good thing about Alibaba is that they offer the users a lot of free information about the suppliers, such as the name of the Legal Rep, Location, Type of Company and Registered Capital. My personal advice is that you select a supplier based on how specialized they are in their field of products. Below I tell you how this can be done;

1.) Go to Alibaba.com
2.) Input your product keyword (A3 t shirt printing machine)
3.) Select “suppliers” instead of “products” and click SEARCH

Now you’ll see a list suppliers instead of products. The most important piece of information is the number of “matching products” each supplier has. A high number of matching products is a strong indication that a supplier is specialized in the product you’re looking for. Buying from a “specialized supplier” has a number of benefits, such as;

1.) They are more likely to be a real manufacturer

2.) They are more likely to offer product customization options

3.) They are more likely to offer a better price since they are not a middleman

4.) They are more likely to give you what you want instead of whatever junk they may have in their warehouse

5.) They are more likely to have certification papers and test reports (small traders are almost always lacking this)”

If the email address is hotmail / gmail etc, does this mean its not a reputable company? Shall I ask for vat certs?

I prefer to work with companies that use proper company domain emails, mainly because it’s reducing the risk for payment fraud. Follow this checklist when you pay a Chinese supplier;

1.) Is the bank account beneficiary name matching the company name on their Alibaba page?
2.) Is the bank account beneficiary address matching the company name on their Alibaba page?

You may also ask them for their Business License and Bank Account Certificate. These are in Chinese, but the tactic scares off most scammers.

What else shall I look for? Does anyone have a contact of an agent who can help me source a decent factory?

I think you can source the product yourself. Many agents out there are unprofessional and those who are not tend to charge quite a bit of money for their services.

They're hundreds out there and its proving tough.

Yes, but Alibaba Supplier Search is your friend :)
 
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    Please help!

    ........What else shall I look for? Does anyone have a contact of an agent who can help me source a decent factory?

    They're hundreds out there and its proving tough...........

    Thanks

    The most cost effective way of finding what you need in China, and presuming you do not have sufficient quantity to buy direct from the manufacturers and not cost effective to go there in person, is through an agent to vist the wholesale markets, where there are numerous suppliers of hair products with different qualities and prices.

    Instruct your agent as to the specifications required, and a competent agent will be able to select the samples you require and send them off to you by courier.

    The cost is relatively low, you will have your different samples, and this is all done within a week.

    My advice is not to work with a chinese agent (yes, im sure there are many competent ones) but communication is key. If they only know and understand 60% english, you are open to having 40% of your instructions lost in translation.

    They will say, yes, yes, yes, yes to most of your questions, but, in reality will not understand all of them.

    Get some references with who you will eventually use.

    Good luck with your project !
     
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    URBAN COLOUR

    I remember a story of a supplier asking for products made by a Chinese supplier is a 5% defect level... the Chinese supplier sent the 100% load with a second case with 5% additional defective products

    Communication breakdown ;-)
     
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    I remember a story of a supplier asking for products made by a Chinese supplier is a 5% defect level... the Chinese supplier sent the 100% load with a second case with 5% additional defective products

    Communication breakdown ;-)
    This sounds like an urban myth, but if communication is as careless as is the writing in the post quoted, which does not make sense even to a native English speaker, what could you expect? " is a 5% defect level." ???

    One of the things I teach when communicating with Chinese suppliers is to use simple language. Don't say "buff" if you mean "polish", or "lustre" if you mean "shine".

    In 22 years of importing I found my suppliers in China did an excellent job of meeting specifications. On the odd occasion when there was a problem, they honored our quality control agreements, and indeed I never had to return faulty products. They were replaced because they accepted my word, although occasionally I did send photographs to illustrate the defect.

    It all boils down to careful communication, not only in relation to the specifications, but also in relation to the way in which the relationship operates. Chinese quality control can be relied upon if it is clearly agreed upon.

    Mind you, finding the right suppliers is really the key, and most people rush in blindly, just using the usual sourcing methods.
     
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    This sounds like an urban myth, but if communication is as careless as is the writing in the post quoted, which does not make sense even to a native English speaker, what could you expect? " is a 5% defect level." ???

    One of the things I teach when communicating with Chinese suppliers is to use simple language. Don't say "buff" if you mean "polish", or "lustre" if you mean "shine".

    In 22 years of importing I found my suppliers in China did an excellent job of meeting specifications. On the odd occasion when there was a problem, they honored our quality control agreements, and indeed I never had to return faulty products. They were replaced because they accepted my word, although occasionally I did send photographs to illustrate the defect.

    It all boils down to careful communication, not only in relation to the specifications, but also in relation to the way in which the relationship operates. Chinese quality control can be relied upon if it is clearly agreed upon.

    Mind you, finding the right suppliers is really the key, and most people rush in blindly, just using the usual sourcing methods.
    Hi URBAN COLOUR,

    I ignore virtually every one of the multitude of typos I read on the forum, but if you read my post you will see that there was a clear, important, and relevant reason for pointing out the typo.
     
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