Estate & Letting Agents - Start up thoughts from my experience

JH1909

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Hi,

I see many posts on here regarding starting an Estate & Lettings Agency. I have recently sold my business for reasons that will become clearer through this post. I thought I would share my experiences over the last 3 years if it is of benefit to anyone considering a start up.

Firstly I would say its essential to have some experience in the industry. I do hear a lot of people wanting to start up an Estate Agency as they 'think it would be nice to look in people's houses'. Like with any business the more knowledge and experience you have before start up the better. Ideally I would recommend for someone to work for one of the corporate agents. It will teach the sales aspect of the job in terms KPI/Targets/Revenues etc. I would say these corporates mould people into the cliche Estate Agent, after some experience with a corporate I would suggest some time with an Independent or smaller agent to see how they operate. Often the customer service aspect is better and should teach better habits than the corporate.

Although contracts of employment would stipulate otherwise you will often find an Agent leaves another Agent to start up their own. Without doubt many will use data to plan for leads when they start their own business. So from day one they have business to go live with rather than waiting for the phone to ring.

Start up costs -
You can start up an Estate Agency on a fairly limited budget. I went down the serviced office route to start with and later found a high street premises. There are very few barriers to entry so is a really simple process to start up. Apart from having a computer, Rightmove, Zoopla etc it can be relatively cheap. I have known people to spend six figures on a start up Agency with a flash office etc but this is high risk in my opinion. As so much is online nowadays flash offices are not impressing many in some ways it may put the public off using you.

Ongoing Costs -
The ongoing costs of an Estate Agent is higher than many would expect. This is mainly driven by the cost of Rightmove. Quite simply at the moment you do need Rightmove they know it which results in them commanding high costs. Below is a simple breakdown of likely monthly costs however this is an example and can change significantly depending on location and business structure.

Rightmove (Sales & Lettings Package) £1200 min
Zoopla £400
Rent £500 (Serviced office route £1000 plus for high street)
Estate Agency Software (Didn't use this to start with but essential as you grow) £50ish per user £100
Internet/Phone System - Likely with call volumes you need a good network for a Voip system £100
Accountants - £100+
Fuel - With no company cars 45p per mile, this can really add up and the miles an Agent drives each month may surprise many - £400
Insurance/PI etc - £60
Employee Wages £20k approx depending on location/experience - £1666
Director Wage - £702 or relatively low for tax purposes, the most efficient way is to pay yourself is still through a Dividend when the business has made a profit.
Misc Marketing - Some of the old fashioned methods such as leaflets local publications etc can be of benefit £150
Misc - Stationary/Paper/Ink Cartridges £50
Professional Memberships/Subscriptions etc £40
Email/Web hosting - £40
Mobile Phones - £60

Total = £4482 monthly

This is a really basic breakdown and all costings are extremely conservative. Of course the Director salary is only listed at £702 so it is likely more will need to be drawn by way of salary.

As soon as you become slightly more established and need more staff/resource your break even point soon escalates to £8k+. A high street office can then easily be £10k plus and this is for a very small sized agency.

So in short even from day one you have £5,000 overheads per month. Of course you may not have an employee straight away but can be difficult without one.

Cashflow -
From the above example you can see why cashflow is such an issue. Realistically if you sold a house on the first day you opened you would be talking 8 weeks for a smooth sale if you are lucky. You do realistically need cash reserves to last 3 months+ in order to keep afloat so in the example above you would need £15,000 to give yourself that time to make the business work. Over time if the business is successful you find you have a snowball effect with your sales pipeline, i.e always owed £40k+ in sales currently going through, even then you will find you have one month where loads complete and you get paid and others where little completes, it never seems to be an even spread which can cause problems with cashflow.

Fees
- Gone are the days of Agents charging 1.25%. Now with the rise of online Agents and the competition for business it is getting normal to drop fees below 1%. Again this varies in different places. You often find someone may have valuations from three agents and it simply comes down to who will sell for the cheapest fees. A fee of 0.75% is becoming more normal. There are also many agents who offer up front fee structures mainly to improve cashflow. It can be incredibly hard to say we offer a unique service so will not sell below 1%, there are a few exceptions mainly specialists in high end bespoke properties.

Other revenue streams - You can make fees by referring to Solicitors for Conveyancing, a common fee seems to be £100 for sale and another £100 for purchase, this has to be stipulated in contracts and its an area Solicitor firms should closely monitor to ensure transparency. This could mean another £200 per sale. Mortgage referrals is another key revenue drive often 20%ish of their commission. Many corporate companies look at revenue per case which is the sales fee and the added extra.

Be prepared to work a lot for no reward - Valuations can take an age, you want time to get to know the client but there is a fine line between being there too long. You find over time some people have valuations as they want free advice for divorce purposes/personal circumstances, others are lonely, others are purely curious. When you add up all these wasted appointments over the year it is simply scary how much time is wasted. It is part of the job like most sales roles you can put in a lot of work for no reward.

You can have valuation appointments where you get on so well and know they have taken your advice. You then see their property appear on Rightmove at £50k more than you said and it sits there for 6 months, then eventually sells for the price you told them. Many corporate agents are targeted on new listings, how do you win a listing? Tell someone their property is worth more than it is or offer a very cheap fee. This can make things incredibly frustrating when you know you are being honest and transparent.

From the outside some people think an Agent gets a nice slice of commission without putting in the work, as a rough example lets say you sell a house for £2,500 fee the time spent may be as follows:

Booking of Valuation - 10 mins
Initial Valuation - 1.5-2 hours
Valuation Report/Letter admin time - 30 mins
Follow up call/Visit - 30 mins
Take on appointment (contract/photos etc) - 1 hour
Office time editing photos, wording, upload to systems etc - 1 hour
Viewing Inquiries/calls/emails booking admin time - 1 hour (depending on interest and viewings)
Viewings - Depending on when it sells 10 x viewings 30 mins each - 5 hours
Buyers back round to view/measure up - 1 hour
After sales, sales chasing with Solcitors etc depending on details - 30 mins weekly until completion 4 hours

Total = 16+hours

The above example is representative of a very smooth sale in reality it can be a lot longer than this. On the face of it £2500 for 16 hours work sounds good but you have many sales that take much longer, and can get some that fall through which then starts the process again. Also be prepared for people not turning up for viewings, it is incredibly frustrating! I tried confirmation calls/emails/texts but still happened.

Even for a small start up the Industry is labour intensive. You need to have office cover for calls regarding viewings, valuations etc. You can spend considerable time out of the office a valuation can take 1-2 hours plus travel time and even viewings can be longer than expected. You will soon find even as a small business you have a real strain to fulfill all appointments you will need to work every Saturday and in the Summer cover many evening appointments.

Lettings - Lettings can be the most frustrating of the lot. I would say 95% of tenants and landlords are fine but the 5% can cause real problems. You would get out of hours calls about minor issues, some tenants not reporting faults and then becoming worse. In many cases as the agent you just cannot win. I think it gets worse year on year, you will need significant resource to even manage 40+ properties. For me lettings is essential as it your only real guaranteed regular income. The tenant fee ban comes into force on 1st June, this will have a real impact for revenues.

Don't get me wrong the industry can be good to work in and really rewarding. For me I came to a point where work life balance was horrendous, even on a Sunday there were always maintenance issues with lettings etc effectively you work 7 days a week. Yes I know if you run your own business it never stops but with this industry you were always on call.

I made plenty of mistakes along the way and even though I thought I did extensive research there were many issues with costings and cashflow in the early days. Hope my ramblings may be of use to someone.
 

S Isaac

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How many lettings were you dealing with in the end?

I am considering setting up a purely online letting agency - no shop front. I've seen the service offered by some, and it can't be hard to beat them in terms of service. And they have a HUGE number of properties on their books.
 
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RMF Develoments

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this is a good post, ive sold my own properties and my run the letting of my own properties for years through a business name as if it was an agency, as thats the way it works nicely for me, but have always considered taking on other sales and lettings on the side, its always seemed like too much hassle if im honest.

i think when im ready to retire from the day job this may be a way of topping up the cashflow and staying busy, although i may just go out on my mountain bike instead
 
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    Hopefully things have improved from 30 years ago, I was selling a house for a friend to stop it being repossessed. On the 1st viewing a girl from the agency turned up late, knew nothing about the area, the clients etc and simply walked around the house saying, this is the lounge, that’s the garden etc.

    On the second viewing I asked for them to send her again, but for her not to speak. After chatting to the potential buyers for 5 mins, house was sold on the spot with a large deposit to take it off the market. The agency manager asked myself to join them, but I was busy in another industry at the time, but needed to sell fast, so hence taking over the sale.
     
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    deniser

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    Hopefully things have improved from 30 years ago, I was selling a house for a friend to stop it being repossessed. On the 1st viewing a girl from the agency turned up late, knew nothing about the area, the clients etc and simply walked around the house saying, this is the lounge, that’s the garden etc.

    On the second viewing I asked for them to send her again, but for her not to speak. After chatting to the potential buyers for 5 mins, house was sold on the spot with a large deposit to take it off the market. The agency manager asked myself to join them, but I was busy in another industry at the time, but needed to sell fast, so hence taking over the sale.

    No, things have not improved. I am looking at properties in west London at the moment (where prices are falling steadily) and one estate agent I spoke to told me in no uncertain terms to buy a property quickly now as they would cost twice as much in 5 years' time.
     
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    JH1909

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    How many lettings were you dealing with in the end?

    I am considering setting up a purely online letting agency - no shop front. I've seen the service offered by some, and it can't be hard to beat them in terms of service. And they have a HUGE number of properties on their books.

    Hi Isaac,

    It was just over 50. To be honest at that point you always have constant maintenance requests, on a Sunday you will get a call on the out of hours number for someone who has heating, water issues or sometimes very novel maintenance issues which definitely are not an emergency.

    Good luck if you go for it, it certainly can be successful and good but as soon as you have numbers on your books it is never ending hassle you also really need a huge admin resource. We did a fair few student properties, although these were good in terms of management fee the admin burden was ridiculous. Deeds of Guarantee, Tenancy Agreements, ID/Right to Rent checks the list goes on the admin is a job in itself. Also the financial admin, paying rents to landlords and chasing any overdue rents.

    Depends on how you set things up but we had a limit of £200 for works which we would pay out for then deduct from rent. Basically you can end up being an interest free bank for Landlords! It doesn't seem bad when you have a few properties but a sit grows you can constantly be owed a significant amount.

    Thanks
     
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    JH1909

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    Would you lose a lot of income if you did finding tenants only for lettings rather than have the headache of full management or do most landlords actually want full management?

    In my experience there are many agents who will offer a ridiculous 'Let Only/Tenant Find Service' I knew of 3/4 local independent businesses who would be £200 per tenant, they would conduct all viewings, advertise, ID checks and prepare contracts. Simply not viable.

    I think with Management some landlords think the Agent is getting well paid for little work, which is far from the case. I actually had a couple of Landlords of Student Properties who were generating really good income but they always seemed to want to pay less for Agent services. I started to add items on monthly statement at 'no charge' to highlight the amount of work we were doing.

    Its like anything some landlords have been lucky with great tenants with little to no maintenance issues whereas other times you can get calls for lost keys, broken items etc and just not worth the hassle.
     
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    JH1909

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    As with everything, it's all in the marketing. Done right, based on the figures above, it should be very lucrative indeed.


    I found forming very close relationships was the most important thing. Solicitors who can refer probate properties (empty no onward chain, in need of work the easiest to sell and great for cashflow), mortgage advisers who have established client base can also be invaluable. Get enough professional contacts locally and this equates to a good proportion of business each year.

    Word of mouth was invaluable as are review sites etc. Although old fashioned leaflets worked, we had a guy who would deliver 1000 for £15! Its only 1% response rate on average but 10 valuations generated for £15 plus the nominal cost of leaflets.

    I have recently looked at the figures of some franchise models, they seem to have better numbers in terms of property in many cases due to the SEO and national leads.

    There is no doubt a large decline in new properties coming to market, the new build sites are keeping things moving. If in any area you divide the amount of properties on Rightmove by Agents it means not all can survive. Not enough to go round in simple terms.
     
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    Ziggrs

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    I find that this is one excellent post. However, as with any other business, scalability is very important and actual number of lettings on one side and your actual costs of running business on the other. Generally speaking, lettings can be very good job in terms of income
     
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    BTON Agency

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    Excellent original post. One of my businesses is a successful estate agency and confirm all is true.

    Only things i disagree with is the serviced office. the public like the fact you have a shop front even if they do not visit it. Quite a few are available for £500 per month if in a secondary location outside of London.

    Also from listing a property to banking the money i would say more like 9 months. The hardest thing starting up a new agency is getting invited out to valuations. You will have to fight tooth and nail. The average in UK from sale agreed to completion now stands a little over 16 weeks.

    Any individual looking to start an agency i would say you need minimum 50k in the bank after you have set up the office.

    I would say a better path to go down is work self employed under an established banner on a healthy commission split. At least that way you only have to worry about personal living expenses. More and more forward thinking brands now offer a 70% comm split in favour to the individual, Also means you are not tied to a desk 8am to 7pm 5 /6 days a week. Also can do this round any current role / job.
     
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    JH1909

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    I find that this is one excellent post. However, as with any other business, scalability is very important and actual number of lettings on one side and your actual costs of running business on the other. Generally speaking, lettings can be very good job in terms of income

    Yes I do agree. The Lettings income was the only consistent revenue, once your Lettings portfolio has been established and you know Landlords will stick with you it really is very attractive to just concentrate on your portfolio.

    The sales function can bring in big numbers but also comes with the big risks of high overheads. Immediately on stopping Sales you would save on Rightmove Sales Package, Could reduce rent and further costs.
     
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    JH1909

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    Excellent original post. One of my businesses is a successful estate agency and confirm all is true.

    Only things i disagree with is the serviced office. the public like the fact you have a shop front even if they do not visit it. Quite a few are available for £500 per month if in a secondary location outside of London.

    Also from listing a property to banking the money i would say more like 9 months. The hardest thing starting up a new agency is getting invited out to valuations. You will have to fight tooth and nail. The average in UK from sale agreed to completion now stands a little over 16 weeks.

    Any individual looking to start an agency i would say you need minimum 50k in the bank after you have set up the office.

    I would say a better path to go down is work self employed under an established banner on a healthy commission split. At least that way you only have to worry about personal living expenses. More and more forward thinking brands now offer a 70% comm split in favour to the individual, Also means you are not tied to a desk 8am to 7pm 5 /6 days a week. Also can do this round any current role / job.

    Thanks for your comments.

    I think with regards to completion times so much depends on Conveyancing. I always recommended local firms who I had tried and tested to get things moving. Unfortunately so many agents will steer clients towards online type conveyancers where they get more of a referral commission but often a high chance of the sale not completing or if it does much longer to. I don't know why the extra £200 or whichever it may be is so important weighed against the likelihood of getting the large payment for completion.

    I do understand your point with offices, it does really depend where they are situated and what they are like. I know first hand people who avoid centrally based agents as even if they wanted to drop off keys, contract, ID etc it is very inconvenient. Also some offices are just too flash which I think nowadays is also a negative for many people.

    Good luck with the future of your business. I am glad to be out of Estate Agency in many ways but there are elements I do miss.
     
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