EPOS - Which system are you using and would recommend?

dazfree

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Hi All,

We need to switch to an EPOS system for 2 tills in one shop.

However, there are so many choices so thought I would just ask who are people using and would you recommend them?

The shop is not owner managed, so security is a feature which is important. We want to be able to see product qty and not show staff and also have an audit trail for product qty.

Also good reporting feature would be good.

Had one quote from EPOSnow which was for just over £2.75k, which was for 2 tills, 2 screens, 2 scanners, 2 USB Scanners, 2 Magentic Card Swipe machines, 10 swipe cards and the software. Plus £40 p/month for support and also software updates. All equipment has a 1 year warranty.

Be good to hear what other systems people are using and if they recommend them?

Thanks,

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I would avoid eposnow if I were you. Its difficult to be specific, but im in the industry and I am aware of them, lets put it that way :) I am part of a forum with many other dealers/resellers of a competing product and we're not keen......
On a plus side, their headline prices are good, but you need to read the T&cs carefully. Support costs a fair bit and there are software licences that need paying as part of that, which must be paid or the software stops working.
Nothing wrong with that, but they arent always obvious.

Also do bear in mind, their online review are quite closely managed. The product we sell stands well against eposnow, TouchPoint and TouchOffice Web, from ICRtouch. They are on about 65000 licences and have been going for a long time, so there are a lot of people who know their product well. So if you have an issue with whoeever installs your system there is always someone else to go to.:) www.icrtouch.com would point you in the direction of a local reseller. Will be a bit more expensive initially, but probably a lot cheaper in the long run.....
 
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I am using Retail-Man epos at the moment. It is only £200 for lifelong. May encounter some problem yourself, and try to figure it out yourself or can ask question in their forum, but not all the problem can be solved. However, still good value for that price.

Thinking about switch to another software, which is free, because I like to play around with software.
 
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    Whats it like do you have a demo?

    I actually wrote two - one for an electrical retailer many years ago, which was largely a Windows rewrite of their old DOS system, with some additional reporting and stock management facilities, and another, much simpler one for taking payments at shows, and syncing with our online stock management.

    The latter wouldn't be useful to anyone else, as it caters for our specific needs in quite specific circumstances, but I did it because I needed a set of functions that I could customise, and that didn't exist elsewhere. It'll evolve to get more capable over time.
     
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    adamdylan

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    o if you have an issue with whoeever installs your system there is always someone else to go to.:)

    Hi Bovine
    1) I have noticed ict touch forum is closed to the public Do you know how to get onto it? If not can you kindly advise where else to go to. (I have hundreds of software products, never needed support before. and dont really feel the need to start paying for someone to tell me what evidently is on their closed forum)
    2) I am interested in icr backoffice and stock want something I can present to accountant, Will it do this? and Do you know where i can find videos on what they provide

    3) I have an old version about 4 years old. could you update for me and what would be the cost plus I have heard you can not transfer the dongle / licence to another machine ( shock horror) or can you do this for me

    Dazfree I think Bovine suggesting icr is right because they are the biggest in this ......difficult difficult minefield of an area.

    thanks

    Adam
     
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    adamdylan

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    Ah Sorry Dazfree please stop the bus !!!! on my advice to go for icr touch
    I have had a casio Vr100 and wasnt impressed but now
    I have an older copy of ICR touch and have just had a play with it and am hugely disappointed.
    Bovine who is very wise on this I hope will jump in and help us But here is my rant :

    1) Had an error and I googled for help. Available at icr touch website ! Great ! Ahhhh... but closed to us great unwashed. Why is this a closed shop?
    2) Basic feel of the 80s I know you can add pics but Ive had dos programs looking better than this.
    3) Does not even give total change to be given. ( god please theyve fixed this now but still)
    4) X and Z report available for printing. Is that it!! no level of recording saving transfer of transaction for accounts !!!!!
    5) Downloadable manual lacking and unhelpful..

    It seems like just a till on the pc. £300 for this is a shocker.

    I am now going to look at sams 4 s Sp2000 who seem popular and have stock control.

    Yesterday I was watching David Attenborough prog about a fish dodging the fishooks in the water whilst the sharks were circling.
     
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    bovine

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    The icr forum is a dealer only forum. It is incredibly active, and is a close knit community offering high level support to dealers. It is not intended for end users. Support for end users is through the dealer - the person you bought it off.
    And why should you have to pay? For the same reason you pay for anyone's expertise and knowledge. To say you know software and don't need support is one of my least favourite things to hear. Because inevitably that is the person that ends up needing the most support (often because they have done something silly and caused problems with the system!)

    The look of the system - the whole system can be skinned and will have been skinned by the dealer. Basically we can make it look how we like, depending on the customer. The basic demo that you may have seen is not a fully skinned version.

    Change window - yes of course.

    Yes of course there is more sales info, back office software will give you more than you would need - both cloud and fixed installs. Real time sales data from the cloud.

    To be blunt, if you expect to buy the software for a couple of hundred quid and be able to set it up, support it yourself and get it exactly how you want then this product is not for you. It's very much a working with your supplier relationship.

    Sps2000 is an ok product, but it's not as good as touchpoint.

    Fishhooks and sharks. Not sure what you mean by that. If you want to know what to avoid like the plague, I could tell you, but I won't :). Too professional for that!
     
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    bovine

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    Todays requirements are far more complex than they were in the past. We deal in fairly general systems, with a tendency towards dealing with bars/restaurants/ coffee shops etc. We do some retail. What people want and expect from systems has changed hugely. More integrated solutions are needed now.
    In some cases, if you have the skills inhouse and your time investment makes it practical then making your own is a far better option. It depends if your requirement fits the mold of whats out there already or not.
    Its a bit like clothes - some people buy on the high st, others from named designers, some will get bespoke suits made and others will dig out their sewing machine and make their own. Everyones requirements and budgets are slightly different.
    And i'll be the first to tell someone if I dont think systems are right for them, or if they should be looking at something else.

    What I can never understand though are people who just want a free application and expect it to do everything they want.

    In short, if you want a good system, then you need to invest in it, either with money and someone elses expertise, or time and your expertise.
     
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    And why should you have to pay? For the same reason you pay for anyone's expertise and knowledge. To say you know software and don't need support is one of my least favourite things to hear. Because inevitably that is the person that ends up needing the most support (often because they have done something silly and caused problems with the system!)
    Ahhhhhh Got me there Bo I confess Im totally inept. The error was because the RJ45 cable was plugged into the wrong port. Struck lucky and figured it out myself Maybe ive messed the whole thing up by puting it in the right hole. I realise what I should have done was waited then paid someone £40 per month to go onto the icr touch website to find out that the cable was in the wrong hole and phone me back days later. What fantastic software it must be as it is the first one out of thousands I cant deal with. OMG whats next for me Ill have to sell my car and get taxis as im not sure I can drive now either !
    :)
    Please dont take this the wrong way Bovine. I am genuinely interested just as many businessman want everything as ecomically as poss and free do exist like Libreoffice v MS Office. I am willing to pay for the right software and would be grateful if you could answer my questions above and for your prices as you do know your stuff. :):):)
     
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    bovine

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    See theres your problem. Blaming software when the issue was hardware :) And you didnt understand what I said - you will not get into the forum unless you are a dealer or reseller. They only sell/support through dealers, of which there are many. Each will offer support in different ways, with diffferent charging structures.If you spoke to whoever supplied your software, they should be able to help you. But you dont need help, so no need to worry about that. :)

    Im not saying you cant work out the software, getting the software to do stuff is easy. Getting it to work and look exactly how you want isnt. If youve got the time, great, have a play around with it.
    But if the version is 4 years old, its pretty out of date anyway.

    For cloud, have a look at www.touchoffice.co.uk. Username and password both demo. You would sign up with a dealer, about £20 per month. But you would need a more current version of software.

    And licence upgrade - up to 2 years old you can move it for free. Over that there is a charge, which depends on licence number. Same with upgrades, its based on licence number.

    And the vr100 - I installed one of the first (if not the first) in the country with the Casio App, for/with Casio. Quite a "quirky" machine. Current version of that app is much improved over the 1st. Still best suited to more basic use in my opinion.
     
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    DoubleSpeed

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    Rather than getting stuck with a traditional/old fashioned propriety hardware specific locked down ePOS system there is now a new breed of cloud/on-line POS systems that importantly work offline as well (so you don’t need to worry about lost Internet access) these open up a lot of new opportunities and flexibility. Some of these will power your online store as well so your stock is totally in sync both online sales and face to face retail sales are tracked so you should never oversell.

    Search on Google for online till system and/or check out this example:

    www. shoptill-e. com/sell-instore
     
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    Jeff Nev

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    Having something cloud based is a definite must, the benefits of always having access to your system when you need it are huge. As for security, there's a number of third -party integrations you can make to ensure your system is secure, whether it's something existing or something you need to create yourself.

    I've personally used Evopos for many years and found its all-in-one approach very good. I'd say it's more tailored to eCommerce operations, but is flexible and could be applied broadly to many sectors: http://www.evopos.com/

    We did end up making a few modifications, mainly tinkering with the UI and some extra design work from a database design company. We also added an inventory via FileMaker, but database integrations are relatively simple when the internal system is in place, so we had a designer create an all-in-one back end (simillar to this: https://www.isos.com/services/digital-design/database-design-ui-ux)

    I agree that modern requirements are far more complex than they used to be. As such, I think finding a ready made POS solution is much harder than it used to be. I think you'd be better finding the foundations of your system and seeing what else you need via integrations.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Not used it - but I have seen a demo - but these are one of the bigger boys out there that seem to be going places - having got it right

    They have a free trial and it is in the cloud on a monthly contract etc
    So if you dont like it - you move on

    Work with apple tablets

    www.vendhq.com

    They have gone down the business model of we do the core and then others can do the add ons for "funny" stuff

    So it integrates nicely into Xero accounts software - but there are plenty more

    My attitude to things is - that if you can afford it get something good with a large user base and save your self time - even if it costs a bit more etc
     
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    Frank Whittle

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    I am new to this forum.
    My company distributes touch screen POS terminals to resellers throughout the UK and Ireland and are supplied with a 3 year warranty as they are designed to be rugged and have features for both the hospitality and retail market.
    The successful EPOS software developers we supply provide solutions for specific markets.
    Some software products that try and fit all and are not always the best for every business.

    So my first question is always what type of retail store and then discussion is needed to identify specific needs of the system and budget. As they say the devil is in detail!

    In my view if the retailer is opening a business for the first time they do need advice.
    Starting with a basic entry level solution which requires minimal investment is a good choice as long as the system may be improved as the business grows and more budget is available to invest. For instance you can purchase an off the shelf stand alone touch screen solution say for a restaurant which provides security and sales information to start you off.
    When ready and budget allows you can add stock control, customer loyalty, integrated chip&pin.

    For instance we have resellers that provide EPOS solutions for convenience stores which connect to the wholesaler to automate the order process and replenish stock on a daily basis.
    We have resellers in the fashion market which need to provide stock control which includes size, colour, style matrix and purchase orders may be placed seasonally.
    We also have hospitality EPOS system resellers who handle stock control with recipe costing include mobile order takers,contactless chip&pin integration etc
    Some of our resellers combine both retail and hospitality EPOS as businesses like sports clubs, tourist information venues require retail, hospitality and ticketing solutions.

    So if you want to be pointed in the right direction feel free to contact me with the type of business and location and if I think I can help will advise accordingly.
     
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    Frank Whittle

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    Not sure if it is relevant for yourself but I used a free opensource POS. I purchased the til/computer for about £140 and then used Unicenta oPOS
    Hi Susan
    I have also heard good reports of the opensource POS Unicenta software and am interested in your evaluation.
    May I ask what sort of retail store do you have?
    Have you had any issues making it work with your chosen pos hardware?
    My company distributes touch screen pos terminals, printers , scanners , cash drawers etc so would like to recommend the software if we are are confident it provides a good low end solution for specific markets.
     
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    Hi All,

    i am new to this forum myself but thought i would mention it might be worth while installing a UPS also just in case the power goes off & if you are using a cloud based system then you could also backup the router so you still have power going to the router if the event the power failure and you can carry on trading
     
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    The best will be cloud based epos linked with omnichannel platform- this way you do not limit possibilities of growing, you are on top of all things. Pros and cons are well known- need advice on any particular solution- drop me a line.
     
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    I dont have any recommendations but I would suggest avoid Eposnow they are the biggest bunch of liars you will find, they will change anything and everything to get a sale and more money out of you, we found this out once we agreed a finance deal with them, unless you have it in writing dont trust them.
     
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    DoubleSpeed

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    I dont have any recommendations but I would suggest avoid Eposnow they are the biggest bunch of liars you will find, they will change anything and everything to get a sale and more money out of you, we found this out once we agreed a finance deal with them, unless you have it in writing dont trust them.

    I've heard this exact same thing about eposnow several times now. From what I've heard it seems they are full of upfront promises however have a sting in their tail, looks like they try and lock you in with finance agreements so you get stuck with them! Ends up costing lots more than they originally quoted plus you're locked in!

    The other big advantage that online/cloud based till systems bring to the table is the ability to easily sell across multiple channels.

    With regard to the ShopTill-ePOS system I mentioned in my earlier post this has; multi-till point functionality, built in eCommerce Website and the ability to sell on the Internet Marketplaces such as eBay, Amazon & Tesco, where in all cases stock and sales are all totally in sync! This is a bit of a dream for some retailers who struggle trying to run everything separately and try to make these separate systems talk to each other is a real nightmare. An 'all-in-one' system like ShopTill-e really helps in so many ways.

    For reference see:

    https ://www .shoptill-e.com / sell-online
    https ://www .shoptill-e.com / sell-instore
    https ://www .shoptill-e.com / marketplaces-amazon-ebay-play-tesco
     
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    mhall

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    There are dozens of threads on here about this subject. I posted this over a year ago and still stand by it:

    We have investigated dozens of "solutions" - it really is a minefield. We discounted based on:
    a) There were a number doing "complete solutions" which meant we were paying for things we didn't need. Intelligent Retail looks very good and, indeed it is - but it does far more than we wanted it to do,
    b) support costs - if the systems are as good as they say, then support costs, in theory should not be an issue - but any company charging for "support" (including mileage charges) went straight in the bin,
    c) cost - if the company is charging a monthly fee, then (in my book) that should include all support. Some of the monthly fees are just extortionate and most of the ones who exhibit at Trade shows fall into this category.
    d) companies obviously also taking a kick back from hardware - one company wanted almost double for a touch screen that I could buy direct - and they were only willing to supply Ethernet printers instead of USB - I am guessing because that is what they wanted to get rid off.
    e) complicated quotes - pages and pages of quotes that I simply couldn't be bothered to get my head round.
    f) the ability to export your data easily if you need to get out - some companies simply don't allow you to get at your own data in a format you could use.
    g) ease of input and manipulation- we have thousand of lines and I don't want to spend my life re-entering.
    h) functions we actually want - some claim to be brilliant but have no option to do the simplest things such as recording cash lifts or banking/ extra floats.
    I) Those tied in to card processors - more kickbacks that we don't see the benefit of.
    j) and finally sales people that actually want to understand the business and not IT geeks who want you to work to their system and treat you like an idiot when you ask a question like "Why is the barcode error sound the same as the sound for barcode accepted?"
     
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    mhall

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    We started off with a system called Jade from Data Today, this was many years ago and even then it was clunky but very reliable and did the job, was nice and cheap and ideal for one to three shops I would suggest. The only thing it couldn't do that we needed was to see stock across more than one shop. We then moved to Airpos which was brand new at the time and promised everything we needed. Price is pretty good. It still is quite good but they are very very very slow at introducing anything new, so you should ignore much of the sales blurb. Its been three years since they promised to introduce lifts and banking (its always "down for the next version in a few months time") and it annoys me that we can't have different prices in different shops - we don't sell online so have no need for the web site service but I have looked at it and am pretty unimpressed. It is cloud based and pretty reliable though - the biggest thing it can't do is estimate our orders for us based on our sales, which Jade was fantastic for and saved me hours and hours.

    I will admit that we will be looking around again in the next few months and it's not something I am looking forward to - I just wish the sales people would talk Retail instead of IT
     
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    Hi dazfree,

    Many companies that develope POS solutions have free demos that you can try for some days. Each business have their particular needs and requirements and the best way to see if a specific software meet your expectations is to try it by yourself.

    With that being said, I strongly recommend Cizaro POS since they have all the functionalities that you are looking for. Additionally, their system is very flexible and highly customizable, has Hibrid SaaS technology which means that you can use cloud, local database or both (as you prefer) being able to get info about your company from a remote location (in case you use cloud) and many other highlighted features. Also they have quality 24/7 technical support team that will help you with any enquiry you may have.
     
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    I always feel like I've found a secret gem on the App Store when people see my POS system. It's called Mobi-POS and is aimed at food and service industry. It was a flat one-off fee of £45 before, now they've just switched to £7 per month, which is still incredibly low in my eyes, especially from what I've seen from other POS systems (£30-£80 per month?!?).

    It's just a team of small guys but incredibly good support and great software.
     
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    Unfortunately I'm not sure about any one EPOS system to recommend but here is some key questions ( from an article on our site) you need to ask when looking at EPOS providers:

    EPOS (electronic point of sale) technology has advanced rapidly in recent years, with a confusing multitude of brands and systems hitting the market for retailers to choose from. A shop’s till used to just add up transactions and tally the day’s takings, but these days even the most basic options offer many additional functions, and the most advanced can manage stock, run websites, monitor staff performance and talk to customers across an entire chain.


    The choice out there can be overwhelming for retailers planning to invest in an EPOS system, and with little impartial advice available there’s a high risk of shelling out for something that isn’t suitable for your business.


    So we’ve put together the 10 key questions to base your EPOS research and purchase on, giving you the best chance of finding the right system for you.


    Where do I need to make sales?


    Your first consideration should be where you make sales. Do you have one store with a fixed cash desk, a large store with several pay points or several stores that need to be linked electronically for stock control and reporting? Do staff need to move away from the cash desk to make transactions? Do you have off-site locations you need to take payments at, such as concessions, franchises or stalls?



    If your location requires a cash desk and no more, your requirements are likely to be straightforward; for example a basic retail computer terminal with a cash drawer may be sufficient. But if you need mobile point of sale devices for the shop floor or a system that can be used on smartphones or tablets, then you’ll need a more complex option.



    How much should I spend?


    You might be tempted to go for the cheapest system that meets your needs, but to make a good investment you need an EPOS system that grows with your business and isn’t defunct within a couple of years. Consider how flexible a system is – can you add technology or features at a later date?



    Look at what impact the right EPOS system could have on your bottom line. For example, stock control features could save you money in the long run, ensuring you are able to manage cash flow effectively. These potential savings should be balanced against your initial investment.



    How easy is it to use?


    An EPOS system is a crucial point of contact between staff and customers. A bad system results in frustrated customers and stressed staff. A good system makes interactions quicker, smoother and more effective.



    Is the system you’re considering intuitive, or will staff need extensive training? If a sales assistant needs to consult a manual every time something unusual comes up, customer experience will suffer. Make a list of out-of-the-ordinary transactions you need to handle such as gift cards, promotional schemes, discounts or loyalty schemes and ask a sales rep to take you through how the system handles these.



    Also look at the physical side of the system; how quick and easy is it to change a till roll, for example? Can staff do it in a few seconds without a queue of impatient customers forming at the desk?



    What extra data can it give me?


    Modern EPOS systems can gather useful data that could improve your business, so it’s worth investigating what kind of feedback is available. Make a list of information or additional functionality you want, and ask a sales rep to demonstrate how a particular system meets your requirements. Many EPOS systems can even offer suggestions at point of sale, such as prompting staff to upsell based on the products that are being scanned.


    How can it help with my stock control?


    Many EPOS systems have in-depth stock control functionality that goes far beyond just keeping a tally of items sold. You may decide you want a system that offers hand-held scanners for warehouse management, shelf stacking or stocktaking. Some systems can prompt you to order new stock or warn you if stock levels are too high on particular product lines.


    Does it work with my website?


    If you operate a retail website as well as a physical store, it’s a good idea to go for an EPOS system that can integrate with your website, keeping product pages updated with stock levels based on what you have in store. If you already have a website, look at whether an EPOS system can integrate with it, although a more efficient option is likely to be creating a website based on your EPOS system.


    How can people pay?


    Along with good old cash and chip and pin, contactless cards are becoming increasingly popular, with a 249.9% rise in use between March 2015 and March 2016. And other methods are also emerging; 13% of UK adults have used a smartphone to pay in-store. You’ll need to balance ease of payment and choice of method with any costs involved in including the technology.



    Can I use it to capture customer information?


    Keeping in contact with customers allows you to build a long-lasting relationship and encourage follow-up sales, and many EPOS systems can handle this, managing email lists and linking customer details to purchasing patterns and other information.



    Will I get the right support?


    Any EPOS system is likely to throw up issues at some point that require tech support, so the last question on our list is one of the most important – what support is on offer? Will it be easily available at the times you need it?



    An EPOS system could be one of your largest investments as a business, so you want it to work for you in the long term. Your supplier should keep you informed about new services and products and changes in technology that could improve your efficiency in future.

     
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    I changed my old casio till to a 2nd hand touch screen epos till from a company called Point O Sale (Birmingham) in February. their software is included free for the lifetime of the till. Can back up to cloud or I choose manual daily back ups to a microstick.

    Plus points of changing to EPOS:
    The new till has definately helped me control seasonal stock better and we already have less wastage of perrishable goods.
    Virtually no-one questions the ammount they have been charged (when it used to happen about 10 times a day) and customers are really happy to have itemised receipts.
    Returns are so much easier to deal with.

    Disadvantages:
    It takes a long time to add stock to the system. For instance, packets of seeds. we sent our 2016 seeds back to the supplier and replaced with all new packets. most of which had gone up 4p. we have about 500 different packs of seeds. was very time consuming to change all the prices.

    Hope that helps.
     
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    Some people mentioned the importance of having an omnichannel solution. It depends on the type of business you own. If you are a small to medium sized business, I would recommend trying out Lightspeed. Here are some of its advantages:

    To make it simple, the main reason would be because it makes your store easier to manage. Here are some advantages and benefits of a retail POS system:

    * To know how much stock your store has left. You need a robust inventory management system
    * Manage your employees’ sales progress and their work hours
    * Easily order products through a system
    * Regulate stock levels by setting reorder points
    * Boost retail sales with promotions coming from your POS system
    * Increase the efficiency of your business, as well as its security
    * Better engage with your customers: create customer profiles with a POS system and target the right customers with promotions
    * Get accurate reports with a POS system. No need for guess-work

    Those are just a few advantages, but to see a full set of advantages, visit Lightspeed POS www .lightspeedhq. co.uk/ pos-system
     
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    Shazni

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    'StoreKeeper' is a simple easy to use Inventory management software. Please search for StoreKeeperService in facebook.

    It's a high performing Desktop app that you could use to manage inventory of many items and is a generic Software not targeted to a specific industry. You may request a 7-day trial license from the author and the distributable can be downloaded from the link provided in the page it self.
     
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    Eswin

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    Our first shop had Eposnow - cheaper but somewhat limited - took very long time to do mass price update - days and not ready for our 30,000 products. It is really geared to hospitality industry. Very long winded for some basic processes. Support at base level very basic knowledge. Putting stock levels on took too long so can’t use. Did not want to put second shop on so did some research
    We then purchased Intelligent Retail - very logical, very knowledgeable support at base level. Reports that can be pulled - extensive. Mass price changes takes seconds!! Proactive. A few teething problems but dealt with efficiently. Will move all shops to Intelligent Retail in future.
     
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