Enterprise Finance Guarantee Scheme

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Has anyone managed to get any sense out of their bank about this scheme?

It seems that my bank has yet to decide its position on the scheme, let alone how it will be implemented. I have been told that the government has yet to make clear the full details of the scheme and so the banks are still in the dark.

The thing that concerns me is how to get a place in the inevitable queue to secure one of these loans.

Anyone else out there got any further?

Thanks in anticipation.

Chris
 
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Chris

It is obviously early days. The Enterprise Finance Guarantee Scheme (EFG) is really a turbo charged version of the Small Firms Loan Guarantee Scheme (SFLG) in that it has a catchment of more companies, with less restrictions and a payback of up to 10 years.

The banks were not that good at understanding or implementing the SFLG and we have had to help many clients through the process, assisting with the business plan and cash flows and then putting them out to bankers who actually know and understand the scheme. We will be doing the same on EFG.

More here details on the Enterprise Finance Guarantee Scheme

John
 
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Roy Hunt

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I am not sure if my bank is being obstructive, but they tell me that this new scheme only attracts any governemt guarantees if the directors have no assets - in other words the directors assets must be used to guarantee any loan first.

BUT - the BERR web site clearly states that the government WILL guarantee 75% of the loan , not UP TO 75% of the loan.

Has anyone else had a different experience?
 
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I am not sure if my bank is being obstructive, but they tell me that this new scheme only attracts any governemt guarantees if the directors have no assets

That seems like a perfectly reasonable limitation of any gvt backed scheme to me. Why should the taxpayer provide a guarantee for a loan that the directors aren't prepared to guarantee with their own assets?
 
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I am not sure if my bank is being obstructive, but they tell me that this new scheme only attracts any governemt guarantees if the directors have no assets - in other words the directors assets must be used to guarantee any loan first.

BUT - the BERR web site clearly states that the government WILL guarantee 75% of the loan , not UP TO 75% of the loan.

Has anyone else had a different experience?


It's in the small print of the Small Firms Loan Guarantee (SFLG) and I expect we will find it in the small priint of this sheme as it takes over from SFLG.

John
 
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Roy Hunt

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I understand your sentiment, but the BERR web site states clearly that the Government WILL guarantee 75% of the loan. It doesn't say that in some circumstances it may guarantee up to 75% of the loan.

It is a pity that the trades description act doesn't apply to politicians!!!!

Regards.
 
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Business Angel

Just as an aside, interest in the new Government Loan Guarantees generally and the Enterprise Finance Guarantee Scheme specifically is very high. Yesterday alone we had over 150 page hits on these and 25 enquiries from companies who want us to help them obtain them.

John
 
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Hi,

Are the new schemes available still matched funding?

The SFLG was matched so 20k from bank and 20k form you.

Does sweat capital count as your part of the matched funding?


Probably, but it's too early to tell. These will always be bank loans with a government backed guarantee and each bank will apply slightly different criteria and at different times. It's part of what you use a Consultant to do, to negotiate these types of things ;)

John
 
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Travelling Sam

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I presume that there are similar restrictions as per SFLG scheme regarding it cannot be used to pay existing company debt etc.

We were in the process of adding Angel Funding for an expansion, however their own financial woes meant we now are looking elsewhere as it's a great time for us to be growing. I've been following the stories of the Government Loan Guarantees closely, and apart from the relative initial confusion, could tick all the right boxes for us.

Question for John or anyone else - has anyone actually had a loan approved from this scheme? I'll be researching in full in the next couple of months, but wonder if there is an 'optimal' time for applying (i.e. before the dust settles, and everyone starts panicking??).
 
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Travelling Sam

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John,

So what do you charge for this kind of consultancy?

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I can't comment for John, but having investigated and spoken to a number of people, there is either an upfront charge, upfront charge & %, or just a %.

A company I know well were charged 4% for the successful sum of £250,000 from the SFLG scheme. However, this was about 4 years ago.
 
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Business Angel

We were in the process of adding Angel Funding for an expansion, however their own financial woes meant we now are looking elsewhere as it's a great time for us to be growing. I've been following the stories of the Government Loan Guarantees closely, and apart from the relative initial confusion, could tick all the right boxes for us.

Question for John or anyone else - has anyone actually had a loan approved from this scheme? I'll be researching in full in the next couple of months, but wonder if there is an 'optimal' time for applying (i.e. before the dust settles, and everyone starts panicking??).

Actually Business Angels activity seems undiminished by the credit crunch. I guess there are no returns on the stock market or in property and they still have money to invest.

As to a loan from the Enterprise Finance Guarantee Scheme this is very unlikely as the scheme was only announced last week and these types of loans can take many weeks to go through as they have to be approved by the bank themselves and also by the Government.

John
 
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Travelling Sam

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Actually Business Angels activity seems undiminished by the credit crunch. I guess there are no returns on the stock market or in property and they still have money to invest.

As to a loan from the Enterprise Finance Guarantee Scheme this is very unlikely as the scheme was only announced last week and these types of loans can take many weeks to go through as they have to be approved by the bank themselves and also by the Government.

John

Thanks John. The 2nd part of your answer was what was expected, but fits in nicely with our planes.

The first part is quite interesting - I was purely talking about my particular business angel! I hadn't thought about others as I've tended to prefer working with people I know, but it certainly gives me food for thought.
 
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fragmented

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Hi

This scheme has arrived right towards the end of my loan application with Lloyds.

Asked them if I could go this route instead.

No way - reason, I have equity in my house that can be used a security.

I think this rule would seem to exclude 90% of applicants.

The final ruling on appications seems to rest wioth your Bank - great.

Talking on other forums the best way to apply for one of these loans is simple - change banks - I'm advised that another bank would be more sympathetic, as they want you business.

John
 
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Business Angel

Talking on other forums the best way to apply for one of these loans is simple - change banks - I'm advised that another bank would be more sympathetic, as they want you business.

John


Often this is the case. Knowing which banks are currently interested in guarantee scheme business is part of the skill, and they seem to turn it on and off like a tap. I guess they don't want too much business which is at risk, whereas other loans will be secured by property etc.

John
 
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I have also found the banks unhelpful, in looking for an Enterprise Finance Guarantee scheme; and that if I own my house, I am ineligible. But of course they would be delighted to sell me a regular small business loan, with my house as collateral ...

Isn't this against the spirit of the scheme at the very least? And can I merely transfer my half of our house to my wife in order to be able to declare that I have no assets?

Thanks for your views
 
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Jeremy Webb

Its success and take up will depend almost entirely on whether the banks see it as a good thing or not. Historically at HO level banks said they supported the SFLG/ LGS but at the front line things were very different.

EFG is much wider ranging and less limited than its predcessor and should be a useful product for both businesses and banks.

However much will depend on individual managers' interpretation of the rules.

Having had some success using this as a corporate lender in the past I am keen to help clients take advantage of it today.
 
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Strass-Rocker

As a small healthy business but in need of a little refinancing to aid expansion I have closely followed all the news about the Enterprise Finance Guarantee Scheme. I have googled everyday to try & find updated news & searched in vain to find a successful applicant for the new scheme. Where are you?
Can somebody actually find a successful applicant? I am prepared to offer a reward!


Does anybody know of a business or individual who has successfully applied?
 
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Quote from Mandy " The Enterprise Finance Guarantee scheme has already unlocked millions of pounds in lending, and the banks participating in it say that demand has been five times higher than for the previous small firms loan guarantee scheme"

Can anyone tell me who has Successfully applied? This is crazy...
 
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As a small healthy business but in need of a little refinancing to aid expansion I have closely followed all the news about the Enterprise Finance Guarantee Scheme. I have googled everyday to try & find updated news & searched in vain to find a successful applicant for the new scheme. Where are you?
Can somebody actually find a successful applicant? I am prepared to offer a reward!


Does anybody know of a business or individual who has successfully applied?

No-one will yet, the Enterprise Finance Guarantee Scheme has only been operating for 4 weeks, give them time! In it's former life as the Small Firms Loan Guarantee Scheme, (SFLG) it took about 12 weeks to get through the banks' credit committee and the DTi (now BERR). Not perfect, I know...

By the way we have DOZENS of successful applicants for Government loan guarantees, and a success rate of over 90%.

John
 
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Quote: Kevo FSB forums "Anyone listen GB trying to wriigle off the hook. The biggest laugh was when one of the panel at the so called grilling asked how many small business's they had helped with the new entreprise grant schemes. Thousands was the firm reply. OK Gordon name me one or two I'd like to know how they managed to arrange a meeting with their bank, then fill in the applications and provide all the required business plans and go through 3 levels of loan review panels in the space of 8 working days. Business Link and the banks did'nt get any details until 2nd February so its some kind of record"
 
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Hi Saxondale, Can you please post further info on this. There are literally a 1000 people who would like to here a success story. We currently have a long thread running on the FSB forums searching for a successful applicant for the EFG. Your information on how when & with which bank would make you famous in the small business community. Are you saying you successfully applied for the new enterprise finance guarantee scheme or the old small firms loan guarantee scheme?
 
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Rob McGuinness

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You guys are not wrong!!! There is a great deal of confusion over this scheme, I should know, I have to advise Businesses on it!!

The main confusion is over the security required from the client that the Banks will require, see the Security section below, but the chances are if you haven't already given the banks every ersonal security that you possess (and your first born!!) The chances are you will not get this loan.

The Enterprise Finance Guarantee (EFG) was announced by HM Government in late 2008 as part of the measures to assist small & medium sized businesses.


The EFG is designed primarily as a means of providing working capital to businesses, however loans can also be provided for other purposes such as asset purchase, business expansion or acquisition, or property/equipment purchase.

Applications will be considered where a business has a viable proposal but may incur difficulty in obtaining conventional finance because of lack of security.

Main Principles
BERR requires that before sanctioning any facilities under EFG the Bank has confirmed the following:
The applicant’s plans are viable and would meet our usual commercial requirements for a loan.

The Bank would wish to lend to the applicant and that all the applicant’s available collateral has been exhausted.

EFG loans may be used to refinance existing overdraft borrowing (the current utilisation not the limit)

Eligibility
Businesses of any age may apply for EFG.
There is no maximum number of employees. The applicant’s turnover during the previous 12 months must not exceed £25m. Where an applicant is part of a corporate group (whether a parent, subsidiary or holding company), the £25m figure relates to the entire group.

There are few sectoral restrictions although an eligibility check should be undertaken in the event of a customer operating in any of the following sectors or in any other instances in the event of doubt:-

Fishing • Agriculture • Shipping • Forestry • Performing Arts • Education • Healthcare • Social Care Services • Coal and Steel

Purpose of Facility
EFG loans may only be used for business purposes, principally to provide working capital, or to fund expansion or capital expenditure in the UK. Other purposes such as acquisition/purchase of businesses, land/property purchase, and start-up costs are also permitted.

EFG loans may be used to refinance existing overdraft facilities afforded by the Bank.

EFG loans can be used to fund share purchases in respect of business acquisition transactions, subject to the Bank being satisfied that structuring the purchase in such a manner is appropriate.

EFG loans are available to businesses which export but may not be used to finance large individual transactions which would be more suited to Trade Finance facilities.



EFG Parameters
Borrowing Amount
The minimum loan amount is £1,000 (£26,000 for Fixed Rate Loans).

The maximum loan amount is £1m.

The loan amount must be in multiples of £500.

Any loans previously provided under SFLGS, even if still outstanding, do not count towards the £1m EFG limit.
There is no restriction on the number of EFG facilities a customer may have so long as the aggregate of these facilities (based on the original amount granted, not the current outstanding balance) does not exceed £1m.

Where more than one business wishes to apply for an EFG, each separate business may qualify for an aggregate amount of up to £1m, provided that the applicant is not part of a corporate group and each separate business meets the eligibility criteria.

Where an applicant is part of a corporate group (whether a parent, subsidiary or holding company), the maximum figure available to the entire group is £1m.

Term
The minimum term is 3 months.
The maximum term is 10 years (including any capital repayment holiday).

Drawdown
Tranche drawdowns are permitted, subject to a maximum of four tranches. If the loan is to be drawn in tranches, no capital repayments are to be made until the loan is fully drawn, which must be within 1 year of the date of the EFG loan agreement.
The first tranche must be drawn no later than 6 months after the date of the EFG loan agreement. Failure to draw the loan within this period will necessitate the submission of a new application.

Capital Repayment Holidays
Capital Repayment Holidays, in multiples of 3 months, are permitted up to a maximum of 3 years.

Repayments

EFG loans must be repaid on a capital only (straight line) basis with interest being debited quarterly to a separate account held at the same branch as the loan account.

Capital and interest loans (actuarial) or interest only (bullet) repayment loans are not permissible.

Loan repayments may be monthly or quarterly.





Security

General
Before offering a borrower an EFG facility, the Bank must be satisfied that it would have offered conventional finance but for the lack of security.

Pledging of Personal Assets

The Bank must be satisfied that all available personal assets have been pledged for conventional facilities, before considering lending under EFG.

The Bank must be satisfied that the applicant is personally committed to the venture, and is not using EFG as a means of avoiding pledging personal assets.

If the applicant is not prepared to allow all their available personal assets to be used to secure conventional lending, this renders them ineligible for EFG.

In exceptional circumstances, personal guarantees may be taken in respect of EFG loans.

The Bank is not permitted to take a charge over guarantors’ principal residences in support of personal guarantees.

Pledging of business assets
Applicants should be asked to pledge premises, machinery and other assets used in the business as security for the EFG loan, usually in the form of a fixed or floating charge


Guarantee Premium
A guarantee premium is payable to the Government to the value of 2% per annum on the reducing balance of the loan.

Premiums will be reduced to 1.5% (i.e. a 25% discount) will be applied to premiums due and collected in 2009. This will be managed centrally by the Government’s collection agents; there is no requirement for the Bank to amend premium schedules.

All premiums are paid quarterly by Direct Debit.
 
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Hi Saxondale, Can you please post further info on this. There are literally a 1000 people who would like to here a success story. We currently have a long thread running on the FSB forums searching for a successful applicant for the EFG. Your information on how when & with which bank would make you famous in the small business community. Are you saying you successfully applied for the new enterprise finance guarantee scheme or the old small firms loan guarantee scheme?


long day, will reply when I have got my thoughts together.
 
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okay, just to prove credentials I`ll copy type from the

"ENTERPRISE FINANCE GUARANTEE - NOTIFICATION OF STATE AID" letter

Applicant .......................#############
Loan reference number .....#############
loan amount ...................######.##
loan terms ......................### #####


Dear Sirs

I am writing to provide you with the value of the State Aid applicable to the loan you have been offered through the Enterprise Finance Guarantee (EFG) scheme should you accept it.






I dont know what to say really other than its taken time -6 months, we had to negotiate - I ended up funding 25% of the total myself and then I had to secure another 20% against my house.
 
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I have also found the banks unhelpful, in looking for an Enterprise Finance Guarantee scheme; and that if I own my house, I am ineligible. But of course they would be delighted to sell me a regular small business loan, with my house as collateral ...

Isn't this against the spirit of the scheme at the very least? And can I merely transfer my half of our house to my wife in order to be able to declare that I have no assets?

Thanks for your views

If your business is any good why would you not be prepared to risk your own assets on it?
 
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JGOffshore

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why would you need a consultant? Why not approach the bank directly, as it is them who administer the scheme.

All thats required is a decent business plan.

You would think so but the paperwork was/is so damn complicated that most people couldn't get their heads around it.

You could similarly argue "why pay an accountant to fill in your tax return"?

Most SMEs just can't cope with the sort of business plan that was required so what happened was that a whole new industry of "consultants" were spawned offering to complete the application forms and do all the plans.

Many of these were "subsidised" by Business Links. What this meant was that the charged double the real cost and got 50% "subsidy" from Business Link funds. (I used to be a non-exec on a Business Link Board so I know of what I speak.) Actually the double/50% split wasn't always the rate as "consultants" (most of whom I wouldn't trust to tell me the correct time) knew what they could get away with from their local Business Link and quoted accordingly.

But don't start me on the massive waste called Business Link. It was the worst idea that Michael Hesaltine ever had - with the possible exception of the Millennium Dome!
 
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JG,

You obviously appreciate / acknowledge what is going on in this society.

You could start a poll on the Number 10 Downing Street website, asking for all half-wit public servants (wasting tax contributions and messing up our children's future) to be removed from service.

This poll could also be extended to cover all corrupt politicians / peers, in order that they don't benefit from selling us / flogging their responsibilities to the highest bidder.

If you look at the circumstances, it is no different to old. Gimps wanting us all to fight for their benefit.

I appreciate this comes close to anorchy but if that's what is needed then so be it, I will be in full support.

No need to worry about relatives, as even the non-UK terrorists get a big payout!

Wolfy
 
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