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I'd be really grateful for any ideas please.

My current website was cobbled together with the help of a "Complete Idiots" book on basic HTML. It does the job but with a lot of work for even minor changes and it lacks the "slickness" and professionalism of some of our competitors.

If such a thing exists I'm looking for a platform which would enable set-up and amendments to be intuitive without the need of professional help and without a large monthly fee. "Drag and drop" would be perfect.

I have looked at Amazon webstore but the fees for each sale look pretty horrendous.

I currently use paypal to process payments and would like to be able to offer discount vouchers/codes.

Any ideas?

Thanks, Lynda
 
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Hi Linda
I would strongly advise you to look at the new Joomla 1.7 and Virtuemart eShop plugin 2.0.

VirtueMart 2.0 isn't 100% released yet as it still has one small bug, which is only to people who have languages that write from right to left, everything else is fine and we have made many commercial sites from it.

It will also be multi language soon, and as Joomla is a CMS, it gives you the ability to do almost anything you want, unlike Magento. Magento is good, but you are really trapped into just a shop, nothing else can be added or done. So if your business grows and you want to make your site into a full on web site, you can't.

2 links for you
http://www.joomla.org/download.html
and
I think VM site is down at the moment, but it is
http://virtuemart.net/

There are tons of templates you can use at sites such as
www.joomlart.com
www.rocketthemes.com
www.templatemonster.com

Hope this helps.
 
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There are a number of out-of-the-box solutions that will do what you want. They are an up-front cost for the software and license, with an optional support cost if you feel you need it. In general, you get what you pay for - higher cost = more feature and sophistication.

These sorts of products will build you a full-functional e-commerce website from the start. There is usually a design editing side and a management side, with many options for configuring the website.

Two I have used and can recommend:

Actinic - Uk-based company with support in this country. They have an enthusiatic forum that can help when you're stuck. They provide a piece of software that you install on your PC and use to design and configure your website. When you are ready, you can upload it to your server. Every change you make (including stock levels) need to be uploaded, so this can be a disadvantage, and it probably still their biggest weakness. I started with an Actinic 5 years ago. I built the site myself using the installed software and the user manual. I've always admired its reliability.

Interspire Shopping Cart - a US-based company. Its a more sophisticated product that has to be installed on your server. You design and manage it entirely online. I recently changed to Interspire and I've been very impressed. The user interface is very intuitive.

Both of these have free trials available. Actinic you will have to downaload and install. Interspire, you just sign up and start playing online.

You'll get a lot of recommendations on this forum for Magento - its a top-of-the-range product with a huge learning curve. I don't think it's suitable for beginners, but a some people will disagree.

(I'm not a web designer and have no vested interested in these products - just my personal experience).
 
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Actinic has a huge amount of inherent issues, the main one is that it lives on one computer and if you're not at that computer, you can't update your website. So if your at home one night and decide to change something or add a product, but your laptop is not available or your desktop is at work, then you can't do it until the next morning.

The other issues is that it is not open source, so you can't modify or change anything, you get it as it is and nothing else. Also you're paying a licence fee, which is not cheep!

A website using something like Joomla or Magento, is almost industry standard now. If you call almost any web design company, they will be able to set it up for you, It takes about 3hrs at the most to setup a really simple site and the sites in my footer took about 2 days even with a custom design on them.

If you fall out with that web designer, you can move to another one, and they can take over where you left of.

I would guess you're looking at about £300-£600 for a simple website, thats a one of cost, no licences, no nothing after apart from hosting, which you would shave to pay for anyway.

You have to have the fine line between usability and functionality, the more you want it to do, the more complex it is, the more user-friendly it is, the less you can do with it. That will be great at the start, but after a while you will start to feel the restrictions and it is probably better to use something you can expand over the usability factor.

It's a business tool at the end of the day, not a hobby, so you need the best for the business.

Actinic was good in its day (about 2001) before things moved to online management, but now it is not cutting it for what people need and want.
 
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You'll get a lot of recommendations on this forum for Magento - its a top-of-the-range product with a huge learning curve. I don't think it's suitable for beginners, but a some people will disagree.

(I'm not a web designer and have no vested interested in these products - just my personal experience).

I agree with this, i use freewebstore.org and although they arent the most flexible, i found magento to be too advanced and time consuming for newbies
 
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Its a daunting task selecting the most appropriate solution for your online store. ZenCart offer the simplest data entry method among the rest. . Prestashop is another option that offer a simple mean of entering data.

May I suggest our Ready-To-Use ECommerce Implementation. We offer ready to use implementations (domain, UK hosting & UK/EU preconfiguration) for ZenCart, Prestashop, OpenCart, TomatoCart, CSCart Community & Magento Community.

p/s1 - Try terraLite.. a simplified version of Zencart with Facebook capabilities...

cheers
Nonny
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As has been mentioned. get someone to install something like Prestashop, Opencart, Magento etc. For you on either your own hosting or on new hosting, keeping your domain of course.

Once installed, as you have already grasped the basics of HTML you should be fine to modify and amend the ecommerce platform as it suits.

With the free themes available that you can modify yourself fairly easily, you should get along fine and it won't look like a completely amature attempt at ecommerce.

Magento might be a bit heavy for now, depends on if you're a quick learner who really wants to push the website to the max and learn new ecommerce skills or whether you're just looking for a nice upgrade to your current site, with better usability.

Remember that Prestashop, Opencart, Magento all plug in to your PayPal, Analytics, Google Checkout etc etc. So you can be taking payments straight away just by installing the modules.
 
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Also, the problem of using commercial or not common systems, is that if you fall out with that company in the future, or you want to move just to get a fresh approach to your site, you can't take it with you.

Most non open source systems have encrypted files, so it is impossible to modify or know how the entire system works.

The next developer won't know the system, they won't know how the files, or system works. They won't know how to modify it and they will end up making you a whole new system.

Using an OpenSource system, means you have a globe full of developers who know exactly how it works, and can modify and work with it.

Also, what happens if that company producing the commercial system closes for what ever reason, who updates it, what security updates will you get, what maintenance etc... open source systems are continuously updated and security patches are released regularly. In Joomla 1.7 there is a button in the admin, that you click to update the system with no developer intervention needed.
 
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If you're a beginner, you should definitely go with PrestaShop over Magento and some of the other solutions posted earlier.

As long as you know or can figure out how to use FTP for your site, its the easiest plug-and-play option for building an e-commerce website.

My first time installing it took about 20 minutes, and now it takes 5 because they've introduced an auto-upgrade feature.

Cheers,
Matthew
 
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As many people have mentioned here already, using well known open source platforms will benefit in the long run much more likely than the ones known by a limited number of users. I'd recommend Joomla Virtue Mart (also has been suggested here already) as it definitely has a number of important properties, such as more modules to integrate,full integration with Joomla, free license and a vast selection of developers who are able to support it. I understand it is too complex for you anyway, but if you decide to go with osCommerce platform in the end, you may need a certain training which we are qualified to provide at a reasonable cost, and would be happy to assist :)
 
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Try using Miscake Stores - stores.miscake.com
It was specially designed for people who do not want to know anything about programming or other IT issues. They have unlimited-time free trial, live help and easy to use Setup Wizard.

The idea of a community forum is to also contribute to the forum, not just sign up and post a link to your own website and then disappear.

Miscake is very expensive, $30 for 100 products or $39 for 1000 is a lot.

There is a FREE service set up, as a tool to help people who don't know much about the setting up of Joomla websites to use.

http://5minswebsites.com/
If you have your own hosting, you put in the access details to your own hosting and it will create on their site the system and then upload it all to you're hosting for freeeeee.

It means you can have the website up and running with zero tech knowledge in about 5 mins, if you're struggling, there is incredible support that will guide you through even the most basic of procedures.

The system will very soon offer the ability to choose other options such as adding a gallery, shop, forum, etc etc with tick boxes. It will then include them in the installation as it sets it up.

(I have no affiliation with this company, i just did a little work for them and thought it was excellent, so want to pass it on)
 
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Ok this is my area.

It's always the same, you are looking at this from the wrong end. This is no one fits all I'm afraid. What you need to do is define your business process needs.

Could be you just need a simple cart which you can get for free but make sure it is free - some so call free carts are pointless with plugins that you must pay for.

Also if it's a simple cart you can save a shed olad of hosting fees by avoiding products like Mageto.

But as I say define what you need, do you need B2B, discounts, multi dimensional product options ? do you want a pick list, newsletters, return process ? and then the are the shipping option (these catch a lot out) do use only Royal Mail ? most foreign products don't include it.

I would be happy to advise and you can find a list of cart on my web site but as I've not posted 15 times I can't add the link so google my name.
 
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Ok this is my area.

How is it your area?

You're a web design company who uses a WordPress template for your own website, am i the only person that can see how many things are wrong with a web design company who can't web design?

http://www.websitehandyman.co.uk/
http://topwpthemes.com/hosting-platino/

You also have Google adverts on your site, which means you're working hard to gain visitors to your site, then for 10p you're giving them to your competitors, when that visitor could be a hosting or web design customer worth thousands per year... #madness

Also you say you need to find a specific cart for your needs, this is not correct, you need to find a cart that has all the features for all industries but can be turned on and off so only the features or functions you need are used.

This is possible in most large ecommerce systems such as VirtueMart, Magento etc.

This gives you the future proof ability, allowing you to upgrade and add features as you move forward.

Unless you have a £10K+ budget to make your own bespoke ecommerce system, you need to find an out of the box system that has the support, community and extensions to give it even further functionality for if or when your business needs it, which open source systems give.
 
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How is it your area?

You're a web design company who uses a WordPress template for your own website, am i the only person that can see how many things are wrong with a web design company who can't web design?

http://www.websitehandyman.co.uk/
http://topwpthemes.com/hosting-platino/

You also have Google adverts on your site, which means you're working hard to gain visitors to your site, then for 10p you're giving them to your competitors, when that visitor could be a hosting or web design customer worth thousands per year... #madness

Also you say you need to find a specific cart for your needs, this is not correct, you need to find a cart that has all the features for all industries but can be turned on and off so only the features or functions you need are used.

This is possible in most large ecommerce systems such as VirtueMart, Magento etc.

This gives you the future proof ability, allowing you to upgrade and add features as you move forward.

Unless you have a £10K+ budget to make your own bespoke ecommerce system, you need to find an out of the box system that has the support, community and extensions to give it even further functionality for if or when your business needs it, which open source systems give.

Misconception, not a web design company.

Exactly what I'm saying is this person does NOT need a web design company. It's our area because it's a business process like any other. Why do so many jump out of running their business and put an important side of it, Ecommerce, in the hands of web designers ? some of whom have never even experienced business and come straight out of uni.

I take people's business ideas and lead them to their own objectives in a cost effective way. Most of the people I have helped I've never done any design for or even actual work apart from finding service, domains names and software.
 
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Misconception, not a web design company.
Well you are...
http://www.websitehandyman.co.uk/portfolio/
These are some of the sites we built and supply support for.
You provide "help and advice" to draw customers into your website and hope they call you. So yes you provide web design and hosting as part of your services.

It's our area because it's a business process like any other. Why do so many jump out of running their business and put an important side of it, Ecommerce, in the hands of web designers ?

So hang on, its a business process like any other, but why trust a web designer who has no experience of business... well surely if they are running a business "Web design business" then they are running a business and know that industry.

I went to uni, and the one thing Uni does is show you professionalism, all your work is critiqued and checked by lecturers with decades of commercial experience (well mine were at least). You have other students to gain inspiration from and then see things in different ways.

I worked for 10yrs before uni as a HGV fitter, and thought of students and uni life as a lazy way of doing things. Which if you choose to use your time that way it is.

University, what ever the public see with drunk students, teaches you how to manage your time, keep to deadlines and get the work to an acceptable standard.

I have been doing this for 13yrs just gone and have worked with thousands of web design companies (as most of our work is for web design companies), and can see a clear difference between educated and non educated owners and workers.

Educated - Have a clear understanding of what they are doing, they usually work form a business plan, they have a good understanding of technical requirements, they are very methodical in their approach and well organised. It makes no difference what the degree is in, one of the best websites we all know is Rightmove, and the guy who runs that has a masters in English, no qualifications in web stuff at all.

Non educated - Flit around, they are jack of all trades, master of none, they work from post-it notes and are very disorganised, and 99 times out of a hundred its some 50yr old bloke who has gone from one job to another and then decided its easy enough, downloads a cracked copy of Dreamweaver, Uses template clubs (free ones, not paid well made ones) so he will have a stab at it. He won't even post his address, phone number, email, or name on his website and hides it in the whois records, so if things go crap, he can run away and not be found.

He then posts helpful guides on his website, to try and gain the confidence of the visitor that he knows what he is talking about, but actually fills it with spelling mistakes and grammatically incorrect copy which makes him look unprofessional.

He then bad mouths educated people and will eventually say something like "I went to the university of life".

I take people's business ideas and lead them to their own objectives in a cost effective way. Most of the people I have helped I've never done any design for or even actual work apart from finding service, domains names and software.

If somebody comes to you and asks for help, they are not saying "give me the info and i will do it", they could spend 3 or 4 days on the net and find this out. They are coming to you, as they trust your opinion as a professional and be looking for guidance and for you to help through the process in exchange for a little money. Their interest is to work on their business, not to spend time learning a whole new industry.

Exactly what I'm saying is this person does NOT need a web design company.
The above answers that, they don't know how to do the basics of setting up a website, they don't know how to secure it, they don't know almost any of it, most don't even know the term domain name, never mind name server, so yes they need a industry professional to help them along, or they could have spent a lot of time researching instead of contacting you.

You don't walk into an estate agents and ask them whats the best kind of house to buy, should i do a self build and do they know any good private landlords they can use to cut out estate agents... :rolleyes:
 
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I don't know how I have upset you or why you have it for me and my company but the thread is not about me or what I do. The service I provide is one for people who want to do the work themselves with a little help when needed. Perhaps I started my reply with the wrong phase, I merely meant it's the type of stuff I like to get into.

Getting back the point I was making - all I said was the person needs to define their need from whatever shopping cart they use and the resources available to them.That's not a design criteria it's a business need and so something that should and can be done before they think about what software they use.

So many people read forums like this and comments like "I always use this that and the other" then find it doesn't work for them or they can't afford it or the hosting it needs or have been left hold the bag. Some even start moving away from default structures and everything is hunky-dory till the cart produces an update.

As for business and fresh students, I know plenty who work or have setup themselves as web designers offering no end of skills including knowing everyone's business. I'm sure the are some that succeed and good luck to them. But it would be even better for them uf customers came with a full plan rather then just a few words. I know one who managed to eak out £250k from a company for the same thing I quoted £30k for. He got the money but guess who cleaned up his mess and put the company web strategy back on track 12 months later?

All I'm really saying is business owners should know what they want. Then when they choose either cart or developer they can ask the right questions and get back the answers they expect.

Back to me ? I offer little bits of advice that's all, things like seperating the domain and data hosts. What hosts to use rather then relying on designers own web space. Business process plans, what questions they will get from customers, how they will get them, how they will process them. Who takes ownership of those processes, do they have the skills. How will the data be stored, secured, received. How do they monitor everything.

As you can imagine this runs into all kinds of things from who updates twitter to who manages the server logins, firewalls, mailservers even ACE for those working from home or overseas.

It is a big topic and so many good businesses fail to take advantage of the internet simply because they trusted their developer knew business. Those are the ones that never answer emails because they don't have access or never knew that their front page holds XSS to a Iraq video site.

I don't think I'll say anymore as I'm going well off, just sorry for any comment that offended.
 
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You haven't offended me, and I know my opinions are a little strong. But it really bothers me that the industry has no regulation or limits any body can set up and start to give advise and creating work. This can have a huge impact, even terminal disease problems for the business.

Other industries require a lot of regulation such as selling financial regulated products like insurance and credit. This is due to abuse in the past and people thinking they know about the product, but actually not and then having a huge effect on the company later on. You have actually said as much yourself.

I do agree with much of what you say, but about 10% I have outlined above Im afraid I don't. But that 10% is a very important part, and so makes most of it wrong (in my opinion, which I know can also be argued).

The majority of good modern systems such as Joomla are built using a structure called MVC. Without going into detailed technical info. This means the system is designed to have anything built and added and it will work correctly with everything else in the system with no conflicts and all data such as contacts etc are used throughout the site.

This also means that there is no limits on what you can and can't do. The main used shop system virtuemart for example has just been rebuilt and now can be completely redesigned using very simple template overrides (you don't need to modify the core system).

You can add plugins and modules which change it's functionality and for very small sums of money you can have built bespoke extensions to add new functions to it.

I personally have specialised in Joomla, which is why I know it. I advise it's use because of its endless possibilities, not because I'm used to it. I have used most incl word press, Drupal, and osccomerce, all of which do not have an MVC, and the programming is very messy and many of the core developers have moved to Joomla. Word press is a ticking time bomb due to the lack of MVC, it is now do late it is practically impossible to add one and so is making massive problems for the future of it... no matter how many users it has today.

When I look at your site it concerns me, as the most basic practices in online business techniques is missing. You explain that your more of an advisor, but being brutally honest the way you run your own website from the layout, copy, spelling, missing calls to action, navigation, inappropriate content, images not shown as they were illegally linked from a third party and not rectified, missing (intentionally hidden) contact info, I worry if you are really experienced enough to do so.

Can you imagine a bonafied company hiding their contact info, it bothers me enough when it's a PO Box, never mind hidden... as why would this be done?
 
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You can have a look at CS-Cart Shopping Cart Software as it is distributed at a reasonable price and the program is a particular combination of functionality and simplicity. CS-Cart is designed to satisfy needs of both: a professional user and a novice for whom the simplicity is the main factor.

The program allows creating discount/coupon codes and define a wide range of promotions for your customers.

Besides, the purchase of a CS-Cart license is a one-time payment which gives you the right to run the software on your server for an unlimited amount of time.

More information can be found on our website.
 
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Hello Lynda,

If such a thing exists I'm looking for a platform which would enable set-up and amendments to be intuitive without the need of professional help and without a large monthly fee. "Drag and drop" would be perfect.
Online drag and drop web site building solutions do exist and are ideal for those who want an intuitive solution that is designed for those without much web site building experience.

Two drag and drop website building solutions I've had experience with and could be what you are looking for are:
Moonfruit (UK Company): http://www.moonfruit.com/
Weebly (US Company): http://www.weebly.com/

Both have built in support for basic Pay Pal buttons to create an online shop, and if you are after more advanced features for your Moonfruit shop or your Weebly Store then please consider using the ShopIntegrator Moonfruit shop add-ins or the ShopIntegrator Weebly store widget.
 
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You can have a look at CS-Cart Shopping Cart Software as it is distributed at a reasonable price and the program is a particular combination of functionality and simplicity. CS-Cart is designed to satisfy needs of both: a professional user and a novice for whom the simplicity is the main factor.

The program allows creating discount/coupon codes and define a wide range of promotions for your customers.

Besides, the purchase of a CS-Cart license is a one-time payment which gives you the right to run the software on your server for an unlimited amount of time.

More information can be found on our website.

I run Cs-cart sites and have recommended it to many people in the past as it is a great product and has many features already to use. It can also be manipulated to do almost anything I suspect.

However, lets not pretend it's a beginners application, especially if your using it for UK trade. I've installed many carts in the past but the first time I had to simply move a 4000 product site to cs-cart took well over a month of setting up. I admit a lot of that was because the client wanted to take advantages of the new features offered by cs-cart but I personally would not call it simple, far from it.

Also the license agreement allows use per domain but NOT unlimited updates. Those you pay for by maintaining a support license.
 
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This thread went a bit off course but here goes! I haven't posted much recently so have put a bit of effort into the below, I hope it's useful but it's late so may be a bit mangled. All of the below is meant to be useful thoughts, because it is a discussion forum after all.

da8iwr - most of your posts I agree with but some seem a little off and you seem to unnecessarily attack Websitehandyman about whom you know little and whose opinions you disagree with. Though contact info hiding is a definite no-no for visitor confidence but I don't think there's anything technically wrong with a PO BOX.

Your views on education are interesting and contradictory even if I can't help half agree, but you seem to value a university education highly because it teaches/shows things which, according to you, can't be learnt otherwise ie detailed knowledge of the industry, decades of experience etc. But then you go on to say how a leading site was built by someone with a degree in an irrelevant field - so surely he's not educated by your words.

But then - everyone is 'educated' to the age of 16 or so and what happens next is ultimately up to them. There is no one size fits all, and I know many people without degrees who are far more useful and insightful than those with degrees, and many with degrees who are working in a dead end job (current economic climate considerations excluded.)

THe above said this is an argument which has been done to death countless times for hundreds of years most probably, but I don't see how I can continue it too much here without going way off topic (that's my excuse anyway ;))

Regulation can perhaps be useful, and is something hotly debated (including by me). But there are many issues surrounding regulation which muddy waters - for example, when you visit a financial advisor, are they paid to promote the products they sell? Of course they are! So - does that make them better or worse? How about a mortgage advisor, bound to find the best deal for your circumstances - but be careful, they're not bound to sell the same ancillary services and you can bet they won't mention that.

Again, in any case, there are various processes/certifications available - they're just not very common. For example, we're not yet ISO certified but are looking into it. Some staff of ours are also highly qualified with degrees in the relevant field (me included), others simply have a wealth of invaluable experience which no degree can teach.

Lastly regarding MVC, why not get into detailed technical info? (Though you seem to be describing OO programming in general in any case.)

Relevance here is that if the OP chose Magento ("Magento uses EAV which is great for XYZ reason"), or other complex software, he'd need to know the 10% - Magento is complex and is often sub-optimally configured leading to inaccurate time/budget/design/hosting decisions being made (usually I can fix these but the occassional site stumps me), which brings me back to the observation that selecting software to run on a site is as much a business process as deciding which accountants to use, or what office chair to buy, how long to sign a contract for, etc.

It's important to consider all options and choose the one which is best, regardless of features it has which you don't need because, usually, if a simpler product is chosen it can be easily imported to something more complex as and when required and in the mean time cashflow is eased.

Now - I really should get to bed!
 
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I have tried all of the 'named' ones here. We use a variety of different models and have tried them all.

So simply in my order of preference:
  1. OpenCart - CMS, SEO and Ecommerce - especially superb is the built in marketing tools like affiliate marketing, banners and newsletters.
  2. Magento - Resource hungry, so expensive on the hosting but it is a BIG shopping system with great room for flexibility and growth
  3. Prestahop - Just pipping Tomato Cart (excuse pun) because of modules and flexibility, good seo and soem really good built in features. Admin is a bit of a mare but you get used to it quickly.
  4. Tomato Cart - Nice admin, desktop configuration. The linking between products and functions is a bit of a pain, but it is a dedicated ecommerce platform and works well.
  5. Joomla & Virtuemart - To be honest I haven't tried the Version 2. But this is a good robust solution that means you can be inventive with the website and the add on shop is built in. To be honest I have listed it this far down because of one problem, as one platform is upgraded then you may find some features will not work on the other or they at least clash - but upgrading is free, so rough and smooth. My personal opinion is that Joomla and Virtuemart are two separate systems, even though Virtuemart is an extension, it is still not core tehnology!
  6. CSCart - yes I had forgotten about that one, to be honest I haven't tried it recently, but I do remember thinking it was too similar to OScommerce at the time, may be worth looking at again.

I am anti- OScommerce because of the security issues and the pain it is to make design changes and content changes - I know you can get add-ons and stuff, but I just didn't like it, still don't.

Obviously these are purely my views as a user and I have no doubt that many will disagree.

have fun.

BTW - Excellent post Dominic!
 
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Actinic was mentioned near the start of this thread, that was immediately followed by someone saying that it was a good product, but only back in 2001.

I'm afraid that comment was itself behind the times. Actinic linked up with Oxatis earlier this year and we now supply Actinic Online, powered by Oxatis, as well as our traditional desktop based products, which are still going strong.

With well over 15,000 web sites in Europe powered by Actinic and Oxatis, we are by far the largest supplier of ecommerce solutions to smaller businesses. With a large UK based telephone support team, hopefully there's always access to help and advice.

I won't bore you with a whole list of features, as there are both free downloads and free trails at the Actinic UK site.

Chris
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Chris, if you'd rethink your eccentric charging plan for 'your' online product, you'd gain a lot of customers.

Hosting is cheap; bandwidth is cheap; why come up with a pricing plan which is strangled by both?

At our level, for example, up to 5,000 products, you're charging 100 quid a month for 100k page views and 400mb (400mb??). As an end-user, not a professional, that's not even worth considering, especially the rates above those restrictive limits - you're punishing a business for being successful.

As far as I can see that product is nothing to do with Actinic, and, in the online sector, you're simply a reseller for another product which isn't particularly innovative. You're not the supplier of 15,000 sites - Oxatis is.

Signed, with feeling, an ex-Actinic loyal customer. I'm happy to be corrected.
 
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