Do I give up?

mobyme

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Very unusually for me; I'm going to recommend you throw in the towel.

Tesco have just announced that they are entering this market and Mothercare have responded by saying they are going to be cutting prices.

Mothercare have also announced that the are going into a joint venture with Boots.

I really cannot see how you can fight those sorts of odds. Best of luck whatever you decide.
 
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I have to say that the advice mobyme gave is extremely bad advice.

Following that advice every independent shop should close down, all convienence stores, bookshops, bakeries, butchers etc, and we should all then be grateful to get jobs pushing trolleys in the Tescos car park.

Yes it is true that you cannot compete on price, and if you are trying to compete on price that is the reason why you are in trouble.

Compete on everything else apart from price, there are plenty of convienence stores, bookshops, bakeries and butchers offering great shopping experiences with expert knowledge that the likes of Tescos have not got a hope in hell of competing with.
 
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I have to say that the advice mobyme gave is extremely bad advice.

Following that advice every independent shop should close down, all convienence stores, bookshops, bakeries, butchers etc, and we should all then be grateful to get jobs pushing trolleys in the Tescos car park.

Yes it is true that you cannot compete on price, and if you are trying to compete on price that is the reason why you are in trouble.

Compete on everything else apart from price, there are plenty of convienence stores, bookshops, bakeries and butchers offering great shopping experiences with expert knowledge that the likes of Tescos have not got a hope in hell of competing with.

The OP has spent six years trying to build her business and still has not managed to build up any reserves.

The OP does not have the funds to pay for new stock.

There are at least six other independent shops within a 15 miles radius and in the OP's own words the local trade is very very competitive.

Competition from the Internet is affecting the business.

The business is starting to take a toll on the OP's health and family.

On top of that, one of the companies that has done more to destroy small and medium sized independent businesses like the very ones you mention has decided to enter the OP's niche market. (With sale advisor's in store (Radio4 this morning))

The market leader is going to cut prices to meet the challenge.

Two of the most trusted brands in the UK have decided to join forces in the OP's niche market.

One of the trusted brands (Boots) has a sales outlet in every town of any significant size.

But in your opinion you think I have given the OP bad advice; get real.
 
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I have to say that the advice mobyme gave is extremely bad advice.

Following that advice every independent shop should close down, all convienence stores, bookshops, bakeries, butchers etc, and we should all then be grateful to get jobs pushing trolleys in the Tescos car park.

Yes it is true that you cannot compete on price, and if you are trying to compete on price that is the reason why you are in trouble.

Compete on everything else apart from price, there are plenty of convienence stores, bookshops, bakeries and butchers offering great shopping experiences with expert knowledge that the likes of Tescos have not got a hope in hell of competing with.


I have to say I agree very much with that statement. Trying to be all things to all people and competing on price with the big players in the market and you'll do nothing but die trying.

Only the OP can ultimately decide whether it's best to call it a day and close down. Right at this moment in time they probably can't see the wood for the trees, but it's an option that may need to be considered. I feel for you I really do and speak from being in a similar situation nearly two years ago to the week.

For what it's worth I have a few practical real world ideas that may be useful. It's all very well coming up with ideas for stock ranges, events, promotions, etc. but these are IMHO longer term things that need to be looked at, without customers and most importantly cash flow happening quickly they're a waste of time.

Go through you shop, stockroom, warehouse with a clipboard and note down every product that's not sold a single unit for 6 months or more, be totally and utterly ruthless, and more importantly honest with yourself when doing this. Look at what ranges really aren't doing well. This is where your money is tied up and you'll get a shock at just how much money is tied up in this stock. This stock needs to be sold now and at cost or a little below if needed, nice stock that you like that does not sell is not nice stock, it's your enemy.

The next thing to do is concerntrate on selling this stock as quickly as possible, be bold, be very bold, huge signs, local paper advert, flyers, and the best of all good old eBay. It doesn't matter your shop might look like a clearance warehouse, though it might feel a little soul destroying this is only a short phase that you can put behind you in a few weeks. Cash flow is king right now. If done well with dedication not only will you see the back of stock that is dragging you down, you'll also sell other better good profitable stock at the same time as footfall increases. In a few weeks you should be in a far better position to decide what course of action to take. Hopefully you will to a great extent start with a clean slate and build your business up again, but this time based on sound experieince gained over the last few years and with an insight of what will work in your market. You need to specialise, be the best around for a particular product or group of products. That however I can't help you with, it's outside my product knowledge area. One thing I can tell you is that being a small trader, having a web site and eBay presense as well as a shop is something I would class as essential nowadays.
 
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Sorry bb1 you find yourself in what must seem impossible. Give these guys as much info as you can as they will be able to help you.
Unusually I know of two babies that have been born this week & I need to buy two gifts. I have absolutely no idea where to go locally to purchase such gifts & would be pleased if there was a local shop that will have both gifts and would be able to wrap them and have an appropriate card. Just a thought... p/l x
ha ha replying to myself now! One of the girls in the office got up a collection of £30.00. She decided to go to Tesco and bought 5 complete outfits with the money. Look not my idea of a gift but it was obviously hers and the OP will surely have difficulty against an ever growing Supermarket empire. Its making me think that I will be going for the 'grey pound'.
 
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The OP has spent six years trying to build her business and still has not managed to build up any reserves.

The OP does not have the funds to pay for new stock.

There are at least six other independent shops within a 15 miles radius and in the OP's own words the local trade is very very competitive.

Competition from the Internet is affecting the business.

The business is starting to take a toll on the OP's health and family.

On top of that, one of the companies that has done more to destroy small and medium sized independent businesses like the very ones you mention has decided to enter the OP's niche market. (With sale advisor's in store (Radio4 this morning))

The market leader is going to cut prices to meet the challenge.

Two of the most trusted brands in the UK have decided to join forces in the OP's niche market.

One of the trusted brands (Boots) has a sales outlet in every town of any significant size.

But in your opinion you think I have given the OP bad advice; get real.

Yes I do think it is bad advice.

If you do the same things you will get the same results. That is the reason for the OP struggled in business for 6 years.

However she now has a huge number of new things she can try as a result of this thread. Most of which will improve her business. She just could not see the way forward and the wood for the trees.
 
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Hi there

What an interesting thread. I think it's good to see both sides of the argument presented: ideas for how to improve the situation and also thoughts on how to proceed if you decide to call it a day.

The first question I would ask myself is: "do I REALLY want to keep running this business"? What made you start up in the first place? Do you still have the same motivations? It sounds like you are at the end of your tether, but kind of teetering on the edge of carry on/wind up. Try to consider your options on both fronts. What will you do if you give up the shop? Will that really improve your work/life balance, or are you going to end up working long hours for someone else? Would that be OK with you? If you decide to carry on, you need a focussed approach on how to move things forward which is going to work for you professionally and personally. Are you prepared to give it one last go?

If your health is suffering (I assume partly stress related), have you considered seeing your GP. This might sound drastic, but I've been in a similar position in the past, saw my GP and got some CBT (Cognitive Behavioural Therapy) and I can safely say that it completely changed my outlook and helped me to achieve a much better work/life balance and manage the stress. I completely changed my career path and moved from a very well paid role in a big blue chip to running my own business. Yes, there are lean times, but psychologically, I am much better equipped to deal with it and stay positive and move things forward. It wasn't terribly time consuming either - we worked out a programme which fitted around my work commitments.

Incidentally, I was a complete sceptic about CBT (what a lot of tosh, I'm too busy for all that nonsense etc etc), but my other half convinced me to have a go when ended up a gibbering wreck in the GP's surgery, and I haven't looked back. It's not for everyone, but got to be worth a go!

Have you got friends/family you can talk to about it? This is a big decision, and perhaps some outside and honest opinion from someone who knows you might also help.

Have you ever had any financial advice on the business, e.g. from your accountant? They should be able to help you with managing your working capital and cash flow through regular monitoring of your accounts, e.g. monthly or quarterly. I am very keen to support my clients in this respect because if their business stays alive and profitable, then so does mine! Yes, it's another cost, but again, you might be able to work out a payment plan (I do monthly plans for my clients to help make the costs more manageable).

There's lots of help and advice out there, but ultimately, only you can make the decision. I would go for the CBT whatever decision you come to, because if nothing else, it will help get rid of the sleepless nights. Then, assess your options, make a decision and then formulate the plan for going forward, whichever route you choose.

Good luck.

Cara
 
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silvermusic

If you do the same things you will get the same results. That is the reason for the OP struggled in business for 6 years.

However she now has a huge number of new things she can try as a result of this thread. Most of which will improve her business. She just could not see the way forward and the wood for the trees.

Exactly. It's very easy to become stuck in ways that don't work though they may have done to start with. The business needs a re-birth, out with the old and start again even though in the proccess it can be somewhat soul destroying. I did it two years ago and this year I'm doing better than I've ever done in nearly eight years, Yes it's been a long hard slog and requires a lot of effort and careful thought when rebuilding, but working smarter will pay off in the end.
 
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I thought your advice was spot on, Silvermusic. It was interesting that you reached an impasse when your business was six years old also, the same as the OP.

The story of how you turned things around - the little things, as well as the major things, and what you considered to be largely down to any lucky breaks - is worthy of a thread on its own.

Specialisation is the key here, I think.
 
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jasonatbbi

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bbb1,
I agree with one of the answers above, if it is making you ill get out. You've got two young children so enjoy them (speaking as a father of three) and make money some other way.
Five years of running your own business must have given you loads of great skills to take elsewhere. Get a 9 to 5 for a comfortable salary and start enjoying your evenings and weekends again.

By the way, I work in marketing and particularly the internet and I could offer advice and even try to sell you my services... ...but I honestly think the best advice I can offer is what I have written above.

Best wishes for a happy future,
Jason
 
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Christiane

bbb1 you mentioned that 6 other independent shops opened near you in the last few years. I'd say go and have a look at what they sell, etc. Are they also struggling? If not, what are they doing that you aren't?

I'll second the idea of reviewing your stock and being ruthless with it. Do a big sale of slow moving stock.

Sales slowed down this year for me too and I completely reviewed my stock and my suppliers. It's taking time as I need to get rid of the now unwanted stock but I'm definitely getting there.
 
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The OP has spent six years trying to build her business and still has not managed to build up any reserves.

The OP does not have the funds to pay for new stock.

There are at least six other independent shops within a 15 miles radius and in the OP's own words the local trade is very very competitive.

Competition from the Internet is affecting the business.

The business is starting to take a toll on the OP's health and family.

On top of that, one of the companies that has done more to destroy small and medium sized independent businesses like the very ones you mention has decided to enter the OP's niche market. (With sale advisor's in store (Radio4 this morning))

The market leader is going to cut prices to meet the challenge.

Two of the most trusted brands in the UK have decided to join forces in the OP's niche market.

One of the trusted brands (Boots) has a sales outlet in every town of any significant size.

But in your opinion you think I have given the OP bad advice; get real.


I agree .. above..

Sell the stock cheap .. get out of it while you still have the shirt on your back..

Its gonna get worse ... the sensible ones know when to get out.. and you can bet your remainning shirt on your back, a hell of a lot of others will be shutting and selling stock cheap..

so sooner the better i would say..
 
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All these people telling the OP to give up forget that she has a liability to pay rent on the property for a number of years to come. Furthermore she has given the landlord a personal guarantee for that rent.

The landlord therefore has the right to take her for every penny she has. The landlord will be after her for the next 6 years for this rent, and if she gets a job elsewhere she will still have to pay him.

Alternatively she can make herself bankrupt.

The option of carrying on trading and trying new things to me is far the better option. If she then becomes totally insolvent at least she can say she tried.
 
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I have loans with my bank and have other debts amounting to approx £18K.--- I am not able to pay several suppliers who have now put me on stop. I have customers orders I cannot fulfil and have come to a bit of a dead end.--- I can only obtain further backing from my bank if I personally guarantee it. Having two young children, I really cannot put my home at risk. Without stock, I am struggling to continue trading. Whilst this could change overnight and sales increase, this will not solve the problem next time we have a "lull". I have now been losing sleep and health for 5 years, some days are better than others, but I have now started to feel extremely depressed and cannot see a way to turn this around, and beleive me, it is not through working every hour god sends and exploring every avenue.

Where do I go from here? I have already had 3 ccjs, which I managed to clear, but it is only a matter of time before I receive more.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Not in a position to gamble and buy new stocks etc ... is she ..

All these people telling the OP to give up forget that she has a liability to pay rent on the property for a number of years to come. Furthermore she has given the landlord a personal guarantee for that rent.

The landlord therefore has the right to take her for every penny she has. The landlord will be after her for the next 6 years for this rent, and if she gets a job elsewhere she will still have to pay him.

Alternatively she can make herself bankrupt.

The option of carrying on trading and trying new things to me is far the better option. If she then becomes totally insolvent at least she can say she tried.

If there was not a funding problem and the market was a growing one etc etc. i would agree.

But not on this one ..Tescos will kill it ...

Sometimes you have to admit your flogging a dead horse and gracefully pull out of it ..

Its no disgrace in shutting up shop ..
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in my opinion ..
 
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