Data Extraction - Details and/or Email

[Well Hello]

Hi all,

Was hoping for some advice and guidance...

I was wondering if anyone was aware of any tools that extract data from websites such as company addresses and email addresses etc.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Cheers

 

[Mike W]

I was wondering if anyone was aware of any tools that extract data from websites such as company addresses and email addresses etc.

Yes, definitely aware. Not going to tell you though so you can just become another spammer.

It's people who do things like this that create problems for the genuine businesses and email marketers out there sending legitimately to people who have legitimately opted in to receive mail.

Why don't you go away and try to do things properly. Or is that too much trouble?

 

[WirralPrinters]

Yes, definitely aware. Not going to tell you though so you can just become another spammer.

It's people who do things like this that create problems for the genuine businesses and email marketers out there sending legitimately to people who have legitimately opted in to receive mail.

Why don't you go away and try to do things properly. Or is that too much trouble?

Well said

I was actually quite shocked when I seen the post request for this...

 

[Well Hello]

Sorry all, i didnt realise this was a bad thing.

Many apoligies. Just someone pmd me a while back with software he recommended and ide deleted it by mistake but thought ide ask around.

Sorry again. Mods please feel free to close the thread.

 

[WirralPrinters]

Sorry all, i didnt realise this was a bad thing.

Many apoligies. Just someone pmd me a while back with software he recommended and ide deleted it by mistake but thought ide ask around.

Sorry again. Mods please feel free to close the thread.

If you were not to know, then no worries.

It is frowned upon though.

And software does indeed exist for this.

Same reason, yell etc purposely plant bad data into their database to catch people out.

I am sure that I read somewhere about Bing getting into trouble for something similar!

Many businesses do practice this. Not a fair practice I will add.

I will be paying for data soon, and I bet it won't be cheap either! But legit.


Thanks.

 

[DesignerNick]

Where does the bought legit data come from?

I thought that buying was pretty much the same as they haven't actually given your company their details.

 

[WirralPrinters]

Where does the bought legit data come from?

I thought that buying was pretty much the same as they haven't actually given your company their details.

This is a different thread entirely, I would think but briefly.....

There is a line - and quite a fine one at that.

I would be purchasing clean data, already available to anyone - not stealing it, scraping or whatever you want to call it.

With regards to using this data, I personally would remove any listing were a request has been made to do so - (I have only ever come across this situation once and this was due to a listing using a home address instead of a business address plus many other factors).

If databases are not legal to use, Yell, Bing, BT, Freeindex and almost every directory on the net would be operating a site illegally.

I can be very certain that 99.99% of indexed pages on Google for example, did not ask for their site to be indexed?

It is an interesting topic and one which I have replied to many times before in other private forums.


Thanks.

 

[Mike W]

Where does the bought legit data come from?

I thought that buying was pretty much the same as they haven't actually given your company their details.

If that were true then there's many a data-selling company in the land that's either acting illicitly or encouraging others to do so.

Why do people take the 'spam' argument to such ridiculous extremes?

 

[DesignerNick]

I wasn't arguing I was genuinely asking.

You mention that you are getting data publicly available to anybody. What is the data scraped from Yell?

All these databases that people sell, where do they come from?

 

[WirralPrinters]

I wasn't arguing I was genuinely asking.

You mention that you are getting data publicly available to anybody. What is the data scraped from Yell?

All these databases that people sell, where do they come from?

I personally couldn't give you a direct answer as I don't provide DB's myself.

But after enquiring a year back or so, I was informed by a DB supplier, that all data had been acquired over a number of years.

Each and every business in the DB had been contacted to check for correct company details and so on.....

 

[DesignerNick]

Oh so by clean it just means the company data had been confirmed.

Not to do with permission to sell their information on to third parties?

 

[Mike W]

All these databases that people sell, where do they come from?

Without knowing where it all started, I couldn't really say how companies like LBM, Equifax, D&B etc etc all came to get their data in the first place. As limited company data is public information though, I'd hazard a guess it came from the likes of Companies House.

From there, companies like these develop their own bases through a variety of means including direct contact, updating data etc etc

 

[WirralPrinters]

Oh so by clean it just means the company data had been confirmed.

Not to do with permission to sell their information on to third parties?

I would guess so.

As I mentioned, I am no expert on the legal side of selling databases.

 

[WirralPrinters]

Without knowing where it all started, I couldn't really say how companies like LBM, Equifax, D&B etc etc all came to get their data in the first place. As limited company data is public information though, I'd hazard a guess it came from the likes of Companies House.

From there, companies like these develop their own bases through a variety of means including direct contact, updating data etc etc

Along the lines that I was thinking but I would only be guessing myself really.

Probably most has come from Companies House and similar and built up over time.

 

[Mike W]

Oh so by clean it just means the company data had been confirmed.

Not to do with permission to sell their information on to third parties?

I don't know the precise legal definitions but data has been available to purchase/rent from legitimate sources like these since time immemorial.

Email and opt-in, falls into similar bands to TPS/FPS (Telephone/Fax Preference Service) where people can list themselves to not be phoned/faxed.

With email it comes down to how the data company deal with it. I believe that all the legitimate houses seek opt-in permission and if that's not received then it's not sold on. LBM, I believe, do a double opt-in, where they confirm your agreement (for your email to be passed on) and you have to confirm it again.

 

[What If]

Yes, definitely aware. Not going to tell you though so you can just become another spammer.

It's people who do things like this that create problems for the genuine businesses and email marketers out there sending legitimately to people who have legitimately opted in to receive mail.

Why don't you go away and try to do things properly. Or is that too much trouble?

I agree. There's better ways to get contact data, than using software to harvest data from websites.

However, if you put you're contact details on your website/directories you can't really moan when people do contact you. So, by putting this information into the public domain are you essentially 'opting in'?:|

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