Curious about recent weird customer behaviour

ManWithBagOverHisHead

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We sell software that is written in house - typical value around GBP3000 for one license.

Generally people who buy the software discuss in depth the features of it, haggle over price and then pay perhaps 50% in advance, the balance due after install.

In the past couple of years we've seen a few (UK based) clients come out of the blue, ask very few questions about functionality and ask to be invoiced for it - usually full amount, no "I'll pay balance after install etc", no haggling to reduce cost. No visit to us before hand to talk it through. This is unusual - most customers have specific requirements and want to know how close the software comes to meeting those.

What happens is we issue the invoice, send it to them and thats the last we hear of them. They never pay it, so they never get the software.

Since we've had this happen a few times in past 2 years or so, I was wondering if there is some kind of scam going on. But I don't see how - its not like a nigerian scam where they ask for money from us, or where they overpay (with stolen cheque) and then ask us to pay the balance to a third party. We don't end up out of pocket other than spending time to issue an invoice they never pay.

It occurred to me maybe they use the invoice to explain that money being paid out of their company, and actually pocket the money (thereby avoiding income tax on it) but surely if you were going to do that you wouldn't do it with a real invoice that the revenue might follow up, and find out was never paid? You'd make up a bogus company, probably a foreign one that the revenue couldn't easily investigate or contact.

Any ideas whats going on? Or is it we've just suddenly attracted some very compulsive unfussy customers prone to sudden fits of buyer remorse?
 

bovine

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The only way I could see any benefit to someone would be if they were putting in a vat reclaim. Start up a business, get invoices in, reclaim large amounts of vat so hmrc have to pay them dosh, then let the company go dormant and eventually close it. Or maybe its fraud within a large company. Joe gets the invoice in and pays himself but marks it as a paid on the system.

Seems like quite a lot of effort to go to though!

Obviously with this software its high value invoices, but no tangible product to resell, so the only thing I can think of is some kind of fraud. Or its someone getting a invoice in to try to get it approved by the boss , then the boss says no.
 
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Belmore

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Just my 2 cents... but could it be a breakdown in the sales process?

Are you finding these types of invoices come from a variety of the sales team or just one individual in particular?

We had a situation a few years back where an employee was pushing through leads and generating invoices to meet monthly targets but would always fall through when it come to payments.

Sam :)
 
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maxh

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A competitor looking to waste your time?

Most likely a VAT and big company fraud as mentioned previously though.

"So what happened with the software?"

"In the end it wasn't what we needed/we found a better solution"

I can see that flying in a big organisation.
 
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ManWithBagOverHisHead

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Just my 2 cents... but could it be a breakdown in the sales process?

Are you finding these types of invoices come from a variety of the sales team or just one individual in particular?

We had a situation a few years back where an employee was pushing through leads and generating invoices to meet monthly targets but would always fall through when it come to payments.

Sam :)

In our case we're a small company of only a few employees so I handle sales and invoicing side of things, so we can discount this one.

Do others think HMRC would be interested in this? I get the impression they couldn't be bothered about fraud like this. I have a friend who ran a furniture shop years ago and occasionally had people ring up, ask how much a leather sofa was and then give details for delivering it. Having been burned in the past by frauds he reported it to the police, but they didn't seem interested.
 
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