"Confidential Jobs" recruiter - who are they?

Lucky8

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Posting here as it's under "employment" I suppose, but it's really a recruiting and hiring question. Please move if there's a better home.

On LinkedIn, I'm inundated every day with job postings by "Confidential Jobs", characterised by a red stamp CONFIDENTIAL on a red circle. The job specs are very brief, most of them don't make any sense, and they often list a private clearly totally commercial company as a "not for profit". There's also no name ever given for the job poster, just "Confidential Jobs" as the recruiter.

So it's all very suspect. However, they have over 100k followers on LinkedIn and they've been doing this day in, day out without ever being removed.

Everything about their jobs looks like a scam, but with so many followers and with LinkedIn letting them post every day, are they a real recruiter who just write terrible job ads?
 

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By law if they are via an agency they pretty much have to tell you the name of the hirer - below is the exact section of the law (often ignored by even the largest agencies as the law has few teeth)

In the 27 years I was in recruitment (which goes back to before the current law even) I only ever twice sent a cv to a client without the person knowing the name of the hirer - once because the legal practice in question were about to fire someone for gross misconduct (misuse of company IT systems) and wanted to have a replacement IT Sys Admin lined up and I was only allowed to say "A large leading regional legal practice" and once for a graduate trainee where his mum gave permission as he was at a festival with no mobile reception.

For clarification, legally perm recruitment is via an Agency and temp via a Recruitment Business

Excerts

Reg 21 -
An agency or employment business shall ensure that at the same time as—
(b) it offers a work-seeker a position with a hirer—

(i)it gives to the work-seeker (whether orally or otherwise) all information it has been provided with about the matters referred to in paragraphs (a) to (e) and, where applicable, paragraph (f) of regulation 18; and

unless the work-seeker or hirer requests otherwise.

Reg18
(a)the identity of the hirer and, if applicable, the nature of the hirer’s business;


(b)the date on which the hirer requires a work-seeker to commence work and the duration, or likely duration, of the work;

(c)the position which the hirer seeks to fill, including the type of work a work-seeker in that position would be required to do, the location at which and the hours during which he would be required to work and any risks to health or safety known to the hirer and what steps the hirer has taken to prevent or control such risks;

(d)the experience, training, qualifications and any authorisation which the hirer considers are necessary, or which are required by law, or by any professional body, for a work-seeker to possess in order to work in the position;

(e)any expenses payable by or to the work-seeker; and

(f)in the case of an agency—

(i)the minimum rate of remuneration and any other benefits which the hirer would offer to a person in the position which it seeks to fill, and the intervals at which the person would be paid; and

(ii)where applicable, the length of notice which a work-seeker in such a position would be required to give, and entitled to receive, to terminate the employment with the hirer.

And

Advertisements​

27.—(1) Every advertisement issued or caused to be issued by an agency or employment business shall mention in either audibly spoken words or easily legible characters the full name of the agency or employment business, and whether the services it advertises are those of an agency or an employment business, as the case may be.

(2) Neither an agency nor an employment business may issue or cause to be issued an advertisement about positions which hirers seek to fill unless the agency or employment business has—

(a)information about specific positions of all types to which the advertisement relates; and

(b)in relation to each such position, the authority of the hirer concerned to find work-seekers for that position, or the authority of an agency or employment business, which has such authority to issue the advertisement or cause it to be issued.

(3) An agency or employment business shall, in every advertisement for work-seekers issued or caused to be issued by it in which rates of pay are given, state the nature of the work, the location at which the work-seeker would be required to work, and the minimum experience, training or qualifications which the work-seeker would be required to have in order to receive those rates of pay.
 
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Lucky8

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By law if they are via an agency they pretty much have to tell you the name of the hirer - below is the exact section of the law (often ignored by even the largest agencies as the law has few teeth)

In the 27 years I was in recruitment (which goes back to before the current law even) I only ever twice sent a cv to a client without the person knowing the name of the hirer - once because the legal practice in question were about to fire someone for gross misconduct (misuse of company IT systems) and wanted to have a replacement IT Sys Admin lined up and I was only allowed to say "A large leading regional legal practice" and once for a graduate trainee where his mum gave permission as he was at a festival with no mobile reception.

For clarification, legally perm recruitment is via an Agency and temp via a Recruitment Business

Excerts

Reg 21 -
An agency or employment business shall ensure that at the same time as—
(b) it offers a work-seeker a position with a hirer—

(i)it gives to the work-seeker (whether orally or otherwise) all information it has been provided with about the matters referred to in paragraphs (a) to (e) and, where applicable, paragraph (f) of regulation 18; and

unless the work-seeker or hirer requests otherwise.

Reg18
(a)the identity of the hirer and, if applicable, the nature of the hirer’s business;


(b)the date on which the hirer requires a work-seeker to commence work and the duration, or likely duration, of the work;

(c)the position which the hirer seeks to fill, including the type of work a work-seeker in that position would be required to do, the location at which and the hours during which he would be required to work and any risks to health or safety known to the hirer and what steps the hirer has taken to prevent or control such risks;

(d)the experience, training, qualifications and any authorisation which the hirer considers are necessary, or which are required by law, or by any professional body, for a work-seeker to possess in order to work in the position;

(e)any expenses payable by or to the work-seeker; and

(f)in the case of an agency—

(i)the minimum rate of remuneration and any other benefits which the hirer would offer to a person in the position which it seeks to fill, and the intervals at which the person would be paid; and

(ii)where applicable, the length of notice which a work-seeker in such a position would be required to give, and entitled to receive, to terminate the employment with the hirer.

And

Advertisements​

27.—(1) Every advertisement issued or caused to be issued by an agency or employment business shall mention in either audibly spoken words or easily legible characters the full name of the agency or employment business, and whether the services it advertises are those of an agency or an employment business, as the case may be.

(2) Neither an agency nor an employment business may issue or cause to be issued an advertisement about positions which hirers seek to fill unless the agency or employment business has—

(a)information about specific positions of all types to which the advertisement relates; and

(b)in relation to each such position, the authority of the hirer concerned to find work-seekers for that position, or the authority of an agency or employment business, which has such authority to issue the advertisement or cause it to be issued.

(3) An agency or employment business shall, in every advertisement for work-seekers issued or caused to be issued by it in which rates of pay are given, state the nature of the work, the location at which the work-seeker would be required to work, and the minimum experience, training or qualifications which the work-seeker would be required to have in order to receive those rates of pay.
Thanks Ian, though when I said they do not provide the name of the hirer, I meant the individual at "Confidential Jobs" who should be the point of contact at "Confidential Jobs" who I assume are acting as the agent. Usually recruitment companies on LinkedIn give the name of the individual in their agency who is the contact. "Confidential Jobs", if an agency at all, never does.

eg. there's one today - "Interim Managing Director", about the company = "Dynamic equipment rental services provider", Industry = non-profit organization management, Type = non-profit, then the Known Requirements are full of leadership/financial and commercial acumen, asset management etc, none of which is non-profit when coupled with the M&A requirement and being a "rental services provider".

That's the totality of the ad. Yet as of right now 33 people have applied.
Under the "About the Company" - it's about "Confidential Jobs" and says they are a computer software firm operated by "ExecThread, Inc".

Are they a con that LinkedIn turns a blind eye to?
 
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I think will answer your question then


Particularly liked this one

Absolute Junk!!


Absolute junk. They use deceptive marketing to get you to sign up for a slightly-less-than-30-day trial period, hoping that you forget to cancel their crap job site before the end of the trial period. Of course, they'll refuse any request for a refund. The majority of their jobs are located in a very small selection of U.S. cities while the rest are in foreign countries. Don't waste your money! The site appears to be little more than a side hustle/scam by some fella who lives off Nutter Butters in his mom's basement.

Date of experience: 04 November 2022

PS it is illegal in the uk to charge people for work finding services or to make registration for work seeking services dependant upon the usage of other legally chargeable services (like cv creation) and has been since 1973 at least (exemptions for au pairs and actors)
 
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Lucky8

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I think will answer your question then


Particularly liked this one

Absolute Junk!!


Absolute junk. They use deceptive marketing to get you to sign up for a slightly-less-than-30-day trial period, hoping that you forget to cancel their crap job site before the end of the trial period. Of course, they'll refuse any request for a refund. The majority of their jobs are located in a very small selection of U.S. cities while the rest are in foreign countries. Don't waste your money! The site appears to be little more than a side hustle/scam by some fella who lives off Nutter Butters in his mom's basement.

Date of experience: 04 November 2022

PS it is illegal in the uk to charge people for work finding services or to make registration for work seeking services dependant upon the usage of other legally chargeable services (like cv creation) and has been since 1973 at least (exemptions for au pairs and actors)
Yes, ExecThreads looks a complete con. I'm astounded LinkedIn allows "Confidential Jobs" to post lots of jobs each day, every day and collect people's private information via all the CVs submitted.
 
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Follow the money

LinkedIN are international but mainly have offices in the US, ExecThread are US, it is likely a US company paying a US company for advertising - they are then just ignoring the laws of the other jurisdictions their ads are showing in.

Guess you could complain to the Ofcon (I think they have been given power of regulation over social media although that may still be in he bill in parliament) - if you are lucky they may see it as an easy slam dunk to flex their new muscles
 
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