Chinese eBay sellers with UK based stock

[brc]

Having re read your post its just hit me....

Basically what you are saying is English people are so useless and lazy that they cant do anything other than sell online and now because the Chinese are playing dirty and the English people are so stupid as to not be able to control this or compete with all their smartness they are throwing fits to protect the one thing they can do sit on there backside and be kings and queens of ebay.

I think everyone that cant compete should do as this gentleman advised and move into the services market, its booming and the Chinese cant slide tackle you there.

 

[globby]

You have a very strange way of looking at this but I'll bite.

We're not arguing about morals. I agree that it is upto the UK government to police this not the Chinese. People will exploit advantages wherever they can and I don't blame the Chinese for doing that. So we're in agreement here.

No one is winging about being able to compete in a fair market. In this situation you have one party able to EVADE paying tax and one party forced to pay tax. If the problem was AVOIDANCE instead of EVASION then this argument would be different.

Your ramblings on the city of london almost want to make me not bother replying. You know people who work in the city pay income tax. Many firms in the city pay corporation tax (there is a lot of avoidance but some tax is paid). The bankers did us proud. The few years of pain we have had are nothing compared to the many years/decades of gain we have had. Yes the made a hash of things - but all industries do. People just like to put all the blame on them instead of taking some responsibility for their own excesses (borrowing when one couldn't afford).

Re costs - you do know that there are other countries other than China. India, Vietnam, Malaysia etc. will pick up a lot of the slack. In turn China will move up the chain and start competing with middle to higher end products - something that will hit western nations directly. Just wait until the Chinese start doing high end work - then the shit will really hit the fan.

The alternative to those in China and India doing cheap labour is a lifetime of agriculture, begging, less employment or unemployment. Once again look at China - those same labourers who once upon a time earned £2 a day are now earning £2 an hour (or whatever it is now). The west shouldn't be the only rich place in the world and most certainly has no god given right to be protected in being there.

I never blamed tom dick and harry and very few people here are. They are blaming the government.

 

[globby]

No I didn't say that. I said that English people are relatively lazy (and I meant this in comparison to its peers - you can see productivity rates)

Don't know where you picked up about Brits only being capable of selling online. That being said Brits are actually pretty damn good at it and in may cases world leaders.

Have you ever taken a psychometric test? You know the ones where they tell you

"Johnny has a blue bike and rides it everyday to work"

q: Are the wheels black
i) yes ii) no iii) dont know
(answer is iii)

You have a problem of misreading things or making things up (in relation to the addressed writer). Please stop that.

 

[brc]

Lol...

Sounds like your a banker.

Listen people are winging, fair or not fair, evasion or no evasion... if its going on then either get with it and deal with it or do something else, you are not going to stop it by posting threads on here, its the governments issue for not dealing with this issue, and in turn its the people who elect these muppets into power who are equally to blame, if our elected representatives are not doing what they should to protect our interest then they should be removed...really simple.

Bankers have done squat all, you clearly dont know how banks work, I dont call speculation, compounded interest, shorts, and longs, etc etc 'work' its just a game where a few people more often than not banks win and common people loose.

A banks job was and should still be to simply hold/secure money in a vault nothing more, the fact that they use other peoples money to play games on a global scale is to me nothing short of a crime.

I have no doubt that the brits are experts at everything you suggest including online selling, but clearly they are not able to compete with the chinese on ebay (regardless of who is an who isnt paying taxes).

Also considering you have never been to china or any of the other countries you are talking about and I have, dont assume that you know what their people want.

Anyway I think you should go work in a bank because they clearly from your mumblings are where your heart is.

 

[globby]

brc

Please at least make a basic attempt at correct grammar and syntax if you're going to try to come across as something you're not.

People post on here because it is healthy to discuss concerns, share information and generally help each other out. There is no shame in not knowing things and I frequented these boards quite often when I was starting out. Now that the business is established and I have staff to go figure things out for me - I come here as a hobby - to read and contribute.

I'm not a banker. I have worked in the city but under another profession.

They have done squat all? Do you know how international finance works? How companies borrow money, how companies hedge currency, how companies raise cash? These are just basic operations.

I'll explain - you need a bank to IPO (generally a cash raising exercise and a payoff for the founders).

You need a bank to borrow (either by issuing corporate bonds or direct loans - and the whole world of loans is far more complicated for large companies than going to a bank and asking for a loan at x% interest rate).

You need a bank to hedge currency risk in international trade. As an example lets say you ordered £10m worth of goods from China and paid in dollars. Lets assume 6 weeks lead time - and the dollar moves against you during that time. Your goods are now worth less (or you have overpaid) relative to the currency pair on receiving the goods. Even a 1% move in the currency is worth £100,000. You would go to a bank (or institution offering the same service) and ask them to hedge your currency risk.

The fact that you can't see beyond the basics of saving and lending demonstrates your very small minded view of international finance and that makes me question everything you say. Perhaps you're just an internet troll sitting behind his computer - having achieved nothing but pretending everything? Please let me know if otherwise.

There are plenty of British companies able to compete with Chinese companies. This has never been my point. You're still failing to recognise the difference between evasion and avoidance.

What makes you assume I haven't been to China? I have made regular trips to Shenzhen. I have been to Yiwu, Macau and HK. Shanghai for about 5 hours but I don't count that. Most of my business is done through India now and I have been all over. Most notably I spend my time in Mumbai (and around Maharashtra), Indore and cities in Gujarat when I am there. I'm neither Indian or Chinese and both these places and cultures fascinate me. Once again please don't assume things. Remember what I told you above about Johnny and his bike?

I have no desire to work in a bank. I am an ecommerce retailer now and quite happy with how things are going.

 

[brc]

Lol... your just a banker...one that didnt do very well by sounds of things or couldnt hack it and has turned to selling online...great

You can tell from your above statement you havent been out of this country...possibly to ibiza but no further.

As for all the high finance crap...centuries of trade has been conducted without all this mumbo jumbo and your here to educate me on high finance...its all a fallacy.

Let me spell it out for you nice and clear...evasion, or avoidance...I dont care, the fact is that its going on so either put up or shut up, there is ZERO that winging about it on a forum is going to achieve when our own government cant stand up for itself.

If the Chinese are evading taxes and robbing you of precious sales do something about it, theres a flip side to every coin, and if you cant then for gods sake please stop winging about it, its not constructive and it isnt going to solve anything.

 

[brc]

If I was to go out on a limb id suggest that you and Japan Cool are one and the same person lol, could be very wrong in which case fine, but realistically speaking I think it is the same person...id love to be proved wrong...clearly Japan Cool sells cool things from Japan ...what is it that you do your highness that takes you to the likes of Macau and of the well worn track in India.

Im not Chinese but having lived most of my adult life out there know it better than most people, understand the people and think that if they...the Chinese want to try to better themselves even if its by evading taxes here (and im pretty sure in every other country they can too) good on them.

Apologies if my syntax and grammar isnt upto scratch!

 

[mtools]

Don't kid yourself that the China factory needs you.

Amazon vetted their customers and product at the beginning is it was easy to do so, they have since expanded to a thousand countries where every country has a different legislation.

I stopped reading when you said "a thousand countries"

 

[globby]

Can you please stop interchanging your and you're.

I have never been a banker or considered that role. I studied Economics and have a lot of friends/family in the industry but banking was never for me.

I find it amusing that you are making assumptions again - what you will find is that the job I did required me to travel constantly to the extent that I would assume that I've far more well travelled than you - only because I'm far more travelled than most people I've met.

It was during a deal in China that I realised I had good contacts and wanted to do my own thing. Importing / ecommerce fulfilled that role and so I quit my job.

I'm bored of this merry go round with you, as me justifying myself to you is a waste of my time and achieves nothing.

I import certain niche chemicals / reagents.That's about all you need to know.

 

[MOIC]

I stopped reading when you said "a thousand countries"

Is that the best you can do?

If you have something worthwlie to contribute to this thread, please do so.

. . . . . . Or have you stopped reading?

 

[e-vulture]

I'm more worried about the Chinese sellers that are doing everything right. I've noticed more and more Chinese sellers with UK stock that are correctly registered, almost perfect listings, next day delivery. I'd rather buy from these Chinese sellers, they offer better prices, better service their UK competitors. And they're only going to get better. I've had much better after sales help from Chinese sellers than I get from UK sellers, so what can a UK seller offer that a seller based in the China can't offer ?

 

[MOIC]

I'm more worried about the Chinese sellers that are doing everything right. I've noticed more and more Chinese sellers with UK stock that are correctly registered, almost perfect listings, next day delivery. I'd rather buy from these Chinese sellers, they offer better prices, better service their UK competitors. And they're only going to get better. I've had much better after sales help from Chinese sellers than I get from UK sellers, so what can a UK seller offer that a seller based in the China can't offer ?

You've hit the nail on the head.

 

[brc]

Globby what little respect you had from me as a failed banker has now totally gone as economists are even worse, they peddle the biggest load of crap known to mankind.

If you have travelled more than most of the people you have met...you need to get out more, I doubt you have anything on me in this regard, ive HAD to travel due to where in the world my family members live from the age of 12... and continue to do so to date... I get thru 2-3 jumbo's a year due to the number of sodding stamps they put in, its great that HK immigration no longer stamp but issue a little receipt instead as it really does save pages but other border controls have yet to follow, so with regards to your thinking you have out travelled me...sadly a big fail there.

As for your 'deal' in china changing you from a fake (economist) to someone real (trader) another thing you have the Chinese to thank for.

Quite frankly I couldnt give a monkeys what you do, I just think your the same person thats all and still do!

The sensible or the Chinese sellers who are educated into selling the correct way and paying taxes etc will beat the UK sellers hands down every time, it is worth taking on board that although there are alot of people on here who complain about how the Chinese are all dodgy, it could very well be that because alot of these chinese sellers simply do not know about the rules and regulations that is the reason why they have been doing what they have been doing, there will always be those who will actively avoid paying taxes etc but the ones that do choose to do everything by the book, well they cant be stopped and pose a threat to online sellers.

Because they are converting there money back into RMB even if they earn 10p per transaction or roughly 1 RMB per transaction and they do 100/200 a day that is more than enough for them to live and be happy the other option is working in a factory for far less and being worked to the bone or as our resident 'economist' pointed out earn £2... working in a field.

Of course by having such low margins there volumes actually sky rocket and because alot of these guys who are currently selling are wholesalers and some agents for manufactures they are practising what they do one a daily basis in their brick and mortar business online, sell huge volumes and make small margins... the wise guys will price higher but this is a learning curve, once they really get into full swing they are going to eat up alot of the market.

 

[globby]

BRC I'm bored of chatting to you so this will be my last reply.

I find it endearing that you insist I have worked in banking. I mean I've often wondered what it would be like - especially as I'm surrounded by bankers in my social circle. I'll repeat, I've never worked in banking (which would actually be a lie because I did work experience with an equities broker when I was 16 - unless you think that counts).

I am certain I have everything on you in this regards. Not withstanding the fact that I went to boarding school as a kid (my parents didn't live in the UK), my father has lived in 7 different countries and that my job required me to travel around 10-20 times a year (sometimes more) all over the world (and I did that job for 8 years). This isn't a d*** wagging competition by the way because they reality is I've done so much travelling that I HATE IT now. The thought of sitting on a goddamn plane for x hours is the last thing that I want these days because I feel like i've wasted half my life doing it. Regardless I've nothing to prove to someone who still can't articulate the difference between your and you're.

I'm not a big fan of Economics - but the degree had some value. I do think that non specific degrees are a waste of time anyway so in that regards Economics was a waste of my time but so would most degrees.

Why would I thank the Chinese for trading? I travelled there saw an opportunity and took it. Now the opportunity has dried up (Chinese suppliers are usually quite dishonest) and I source from India. Indians provide me with a more honest and often cheaper supply and they are far more business minded than the Chinese (from my experience) in my field. If they stop being useful to me I will look elsewhere - I owe no loyalty or thanks to any culture.

I trust they will eat up a lot of the market- hopefully not mine as the Chinese have a reputation for subpar goods in my field (which is why I now source from India). Competition is always welcome and the Chinese are wonderful competitors - they force me to improve all the time.

 

[MOIC]

Apart from the personal bickering, I agree 100% with the last 3 paragraphs of brc's last post.

Generally, I find it amusing when people make blanket statements and tarnish everyone from a particular country with the same brush.

There is good and bad in ALL countries and no one country or business is immune to doing what it takes to further their business, all be it in keeping within the law of that specific country.

When it comes to global trading, this is a relatively new field and complications will always arise due to the different laws, regulations, certificates as well as culture in different countries. This will always be a 2 way street as the door is open for everybody to trade globally.

For every seller to be expected to conform to every country's rules and regulations is impossible, given that there is no harmonisation of laws that make this a standard.

I imagine 99% of businesses, irrespective of what country they trade in, have at some time or other, bent the rules slightly to further their business, irrespective of how small the transgression was.

On a different matter, the last few pages of this thread have concentrated on certificates of products, I wonder how many sellers actually do the following:

1. Check and verify ALL the certificates they receive from the factories are authentic.

2. Relate to the actual product and batch.

3. The testing was carried out correctly and covered each batch/product on the Commercial Invoice.

Generally, the customers who buy from suppliers in China, India and other countries where goods are "cheap" order to sell on Amazon and Ebay are relying on the manufacturer to supply any/all certification and take this as granted that they are OK.

Failure to do the 3 points above may render the seller guilty of not carrying out due diligence on the products and accompanied documentation and therefore the products they are selling are not as legitimate as they may think.

I wonder if it's a case of . . . . .as long as the certificates say bla bla bla, then that's OK with me.

Perhaps not everyone who has posted on this thread is whiter than white as they claim to be.

For what it's worth, business is business and will never change, irrespective of what individuals try to put forward as hurdles, unfair tactics, ignorance, avoidance, evasion, unfair business practices, suppliers not looking after their customers, governments to blame, Amazon & Ebay being greedy. . . . . . . .etc etc etc.

Believe it or not, it IS an even playing field, everybody can buy and sell in any country, some adapt better than others, some whinge, some get on with it.

Best to get on with it!

 

[brc]

...thank god the guy is going to go quite !

If you are getting ripped off by anyone...Chinese or not then its quite simple that you dont have the cultural know how, the contacts, the process or the basic business acumen to stop this from happening, everyone sources from China from bedroom cowboys to the biggest brands on earth, the difference in what they get and how they get it depends on how they work, who they know, and what process they have in place.

Your defence of bankers is admirable...bunch of crooks if you ask me and and like wise being an economist is probably worse still... globby or blobby or what ever your name is, clearly you have the biggest 'instrument' on the face of the earth, you went to boarding schools etc etc etc... good for you, if you dont like travelling then either your old and your body does not allow it any longer or there is no purpose of benefit to your travels.

I have the bug and have had it since I was young and it will be a shame when I can no longer travel due to health / age etc as its something I crave and enjoy, as for sitting on a plane and hating it, again if you sit in the right seat in the right place and have the right toys its really not that bad, being stuck in the back will probably give you that bad experience.

Im not one for bickering and I am sorry for engaging in it but there are clearly some people on here that are asking for it and by making stupid statements there is a part of me that feels I should try to educate them even if they went to boarding school

 

[globby]

Myofficeinchina

It is well known in my particular area that the Chinese tend to be dishonest. It might differ from industry to industry - but it is well known in mine - I've worked with some of the larger firms who have processes in place and it is still a hassle for them as these are niche products and aren't always produced by larger Chinese firms (which are less likely to be dishonest or cut corners).

I'm not tarnishing everyone with the same brush. You are completely correct that one should have processes in place and an understanding of the market to conduct business properly - but what you fail to appreciate is that all this takes time and money. The fact that you exist is tantamount to the problem - Chinese businesses work on a cut corner principal as a default and that is why your business exists to assist others in how to use best practice to avoid this. It would be much easier if due diligence was less time consuming - but with China it is always necessary and headache.

and BRC I said I wouldn't respond but meh changed my mind. I'm not getting ripped off by anyone. I have more than enough business acumen and I make enough money. I just choose to divert my resources away from troublesome time consuming areas like China. Unfortunately other people don't have this luxury as China is the king for most manufactured products. I can only feel pity for them and hope that other countries pick up the slack in time so that they too can choose other places to source from.

I'm not old I'm in early 30's.

I don't need to be educated by you either. No one expects anyone to type in perfect English on this board or any forums for that matter (who can be bothered to check typos and errors?). Your English, however is appalling and not befitting of someone to be held in high esteem.

This is my last reply on this topic! I have to travel again this evening so best get packing (this time for a holiday so I guess I can tolerate the short flight - if they don't put me at the back )

 

[MOIC]

Myofficeinchina

It is well known in my particular area that the Chinese tend to be dishonest. It might differ from industry to industry - but it is well known in mine - I've worked with some of the larger firms who have processes in place and it is still a hassle for them as these are niche products and aren't always produced by larger Chinese firms (which are less likely to be dishonest or cut corners).

I'm not tarnishing everyone with the same brush. You are completely correct that one should have processes in place and an understanding of the market to conduct business properly - but what you fail to appreciate is that all this takes time and money. The fact that you exist is tantamount to the problem - Chinese businesses work on a cut corner principal as a default and that is why your business exists to assist others in how to use best practice to avoid this. It would be much easier if due diligence was less time consuming - but with China it is always necessary and headache.

and BRC I said I wouldn't respond but meh changed my mind. I'm not getting ripped off by anyone. I have more than enough business acumen and I make enough money. I just choose to divert my resources away from troublesome time consuming areas like China. Unfortunately other people don't have this luxury as China is the king for most manufactured products. I can only feel pity for them and hope that other countries pick up the slack in time so that they too can choose other places to source from.

I'm not old I'm in early 30's.

I don't need to be educated by you either. No one expects anyone to type in perfect English on this board or any forums for that matter (who can be bothered to check typos and errors?). Your English, however is appalling and not befitting of someone to be held in high esteem.

This is my last reply on this topic! I have to travel again this evening so best get packing (this time for a holiday so I guess I can tolerate the short flight - if they don't put me at the back )

globby

1. You claim that Chinese are dishonest in your specific industry......................and Indians are not??......................Please wake up and smell the coffee......................There is good and bad in all people, trades, countries etc etc.........................You just have to deal with the right ones!

I have dealt with India for over 10 years, and I can categorically say that there are many dishonest Indian business and businessman....................but let's not digress.

2. According to your statement, you state that it take's money to carry out due diligence on your suppliers and their certificates, this is a very poor excuse as to not carry this out. In effect what you are saying is that it costs you too much money to ensure your goods are safe and legal as the certificates purport them to be.

So, it's all about making that extra pound profit to put in your pocket.....................I thought so.

3. Please don't try to justify why I exist as a business in China. For your information, I help as many businesses sell to China companies as I do sourcing the best products at the best prices for customers in the UK as well as globally.

The problem with many UK businesses that they try to screw a supplier down to the ground on price and this will eventually lead to a shortfall in quality.

You made a remark on one of your previous posts about when China starts to make high end products............FYI you are 10 years behind the times. Many of the worlds international brands manufacture in China.

4. You are in your early 30's........................and it shows. Your lack of experience you have in understanding business practices in different countries and especially with regards to China, what little knowledge you have. Unfortunately visiting Shenzhen a few times when you did, does not open your eyes to what China is all about and you certainly would not have found chemical suppliers in this province.

Can we move on?

 

[brc]

Blobby... im not looking to be held in high esteem, certainly not by you.

My English is probably better described as Chinglish and again as ive spent most of my life out in China im sorry if my language skills have eroded, this happens when people travel and when they speak native languages and thus use their mother tongue less and less. but you wouldnt know or understand this as you can only speak the queens English not a word of Mandarin, Cantonese or Punjabi.

I would also like to say that from the frankly pathetic points you make, I guess its fair to assume that in your case, you logged onto Alibaba, tried to buy something for your ebay store, got ripped off and that was it, you moved to India, OR you got off the plane in China, they saw you coming and they thought we are going to have fun with this one and had you over a barrel so hard that it again made you goto India.

Regardless of what industry you are in from food to military hardware if you want things done in china you need your own solid contacts on the ground, not agents and 10% guys but friends, relatives, bona fide contacts like factory owners who can in turn use their connections to put you in touch with the people you need to deal with, when you work at that level you dont get screwed unless your stupid, yes the Chinese practice quality fade but if you have your systems in place to stop this guess what the crap never leaves the factory and when they see that you are halting the crap at the factory every time instead of sending emails from 6000 miles away they stop doing it because now its they that are loosing not you, so get with it.

Ive seen your type all to often (if they ever make it there) they go there suited and booted, talking the talk and get right honourably done over, the Chinese are only concerned with how much money you have and what your order quantity is, nothing more, they work out how shrewd you are, they understand if they can cheat you or not, for them its a game, a strategy if you play back and beat them at their own game you earn respect and they stop playing, if you dont you get abused like what happened to you.

I suggest you get a book called the Art of War and read on your day trip to the zoo later, if you have the mental capacity to understand it, you will realise the Chinese are practising this text in business, if you want to do well you will play by their rules and beat them, if not theres always india as in your case.

My very first trade was when I was 16, im now 33 and I have NEVER once lost on a deal, been tricked, been given anything I was not happy with etc etc, in most cases ive paid deposits of around 5-8% and stood in warehouses and checked entire container loads of goods one at a bloody time, its taken me days and ive gone thru the motions, and what its done is let the factories I deal with know that this guy will dump an entire order if its not perfect, ive done it on a number of occasions and got my deposits back as well and trust me when ive gone back to place orders in the future or given the chance to correct their mistake not an iota is out of line, but this is not something you take for granted you do it every order, when you grow or you cant be bothered to stand in sweat shops doing the checking yourself you have people who work directly for you who answer to you who are loyal to you (and by hell you pay them well enough not to even consider being bribed) go and do your inspections and put their approval seals on each item even before they are packed into retail boxes so that you know that your people (down to the person who has used the numbered seal) not agents etc have done the check and are answerable.

Ive had close calls and lost in time because when you place orders with a lead time then thats what you loose but ive never once lost cash and never once been given anything I didnt want or order.

I see it like this, when I hand over wads or bag fulls of cash (real cash not transfers) they sit there and put it thru machines they double check its real and if they can do this and thats the level of trust they have in me and my cash regardless of how long we have been trading, who am I to trust they are going to give me perfect goods and on what basis, they checked every note, im going to check every item.

I had the good fortune of being taught and still am by people who have traded all their adult lifes, live in china are Chinese and have had the experiences I have not, I have learnt from them and now in some aspects im better than them because ive adapted and gone further than even they have.

If you have ever gone to China which I doubt, your total stay would have been less than a week or two, my average stint is 8 months and its been that way since I graduated so you telling me about China is a joke.

 

[brc]

Learn from what has been said it, dont be shy, dont be defensive, its there to educate you.

 

[14Steve14]

How about stopping all the bickering over the last few pages and get this thread back on to the subject. If you want to bicker fight and accuse each other, start a new thread please and stop spoiling what was a good thread.

 

[brc]

I think its still a very good thread, and although the bickering isnt that desirable it has bought out alot of information that will be very useful to others, for my part I am very sorry, its just I hate it when people who have not the foggiest about China try to lecture on here like they are some expert, drives me around the bend.

 

[MOIC]

Agree with BOTH the above posts.

Whilst everybody has their own interests at heart, it's impossible to change legislation with a thread.

It's a global selling platform and any new legislation has to cover global selling.

Global online selling is a 2 way street for everybody, UK, China, India, etc etc.

Every seller has their own legislation to contend with, some do it better than others, some are ignorant to international legislation, some circumvent and some, I dare say, cheat.

It happens in all businesses and in all countries.

No business is immune.

It's business and you will never change it, however it affects your personal business.

 

[dooyoo]

Can we stop/distrupt chinese businesses selling goods without paying their fair share of taxes?
I came across this seller: heavends on ebay, they have about 30k feedback a month which would be about 50k sales, even if each sale is £1, that whould be sales of £50 000 a month, but actually it is more like £200 000 - £400 000 a month of sales without paying any taxes!!!
And seems like nobody cares about it!!!

 

[beasty]

Can we stop/distrupt chinese businesses selling goods without paying their fair share of taxes?
I came across this seller: heavends on ebay, they have about 30k feedback a month which would be about 50k sales, even if each sale is £1, that whould be sales of £50 000 a month, but actually it is more like £200 000 - £400 000 a month of sales without paying any taxes!!!
And seems like nobody cares about it!!!

What are you talking about?
They are not due UK tax beyond import duty and vat at the port.
What tax do you want them to pay? They are exporting!

Trying to compete with the Chinese on low value products, esp electronics is a pointless exercise, this market is pretty much theirs, do something higher value, niche, more quality orientated, a service etc..

Do not envy anyone that aims to compete with a Chinese Factory on Ebay, not fun

 

[dooyoo]

What about 80k threshold?
How are they exporting if the stock is in UK and sales are made in UK?
Or
Please explain what do you believe how they can legaly not pay vat?

 

[Pish_Pash]

What about 80k threshold?
How are they exporting if the stock is in UK and sales are made in UK?
Or
Please explain what do you believe how they can legaly not pay vat?

I don't think you understand how VAT works. The link you gave is for a seller based in China. He posts the goods from china, when the goods arrive in the UK, the receipient must pay any VAT or import duty...not the seller based i China.

it's no different than if I sell something to someone in the USA...I post it out to the customer ...end of story. I don't pay VAT in the USA just because someone in the USA bought one of my products here in the UK!

This whole point of this thread is for different scenario....i.e. where Chinese sellers send their stock to a UK warehouse ....& then send out to customers from that UK warehouse...then they are meant to pay VAT.

 

[dooyoo]

Goods are located in UK.
They ship a container load here and then sell them off, I have bought some from them and they came in 3 days from local UK courier.

 

[e-vulture]

Exactly, there's a lot of misunderstanding on this thread. The sellers ship from the UK, using UK employees, working in UK warehouses, and UK based couriers. The only chinese part of the transaction is where the seller lives, everything else is based in the UK. Chinese sellers who actually ship from china are slowly becoming a thing of the past.

 

[MOIC]

Let's see if HMRC are prepared to clean up all false accounting.

Where do they start?

It's their domain.

 

[beasty]

They probably just use a high volume fulfilment service

 

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You can report them - start with VAT it is faster and not open to interpretation

 

[dooyoo]

Where can I report them?
Will it work in reality?

 

[Pish_Pash]

Where can I report them?
Will it work in reality?

You can report VAT fraud online here...

https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortforms/form/TEH_IRF?dept-name=TEH&sub-dep t-name=&location=39

...but don't expect anything to come of it.

 

[dooyoo]

People we need to have some kind of group that would take things into "our" hands. and really do something about it.

 

[beasty]

If the trailers for the Fast and the Furious are not misleading me I believe that most disputes can be solved with some kind of car race

 

[Karimbo]

Let's see if HMRC are prepared to clean up all false accounting.

Where do they start?

It's their domain.

HMRC are utterly powerless with this. We as UK citizens are all on central databases with all our financials linked together.

Chinese businesses have access to endless supply of "villagers" who can barely read or write who are willing to front for them. So HMRC/ebay can play whack a mole and close down/ban a seller and a new one will emerge straight away.

I suspect the Chinese government or the people care little about UK rules. They still study the opium wars in their history books just like our kids learn about the romans and the tudors.

 

[MOIC]

HMRC are utterly powerless with this. We as UK citizens are all on central databases with all our financials linked together.

Chinese businesses have access to endless supply of "villagers" who can barely read or write who are willing to front for them. So HMRC/ebay can play whack a mole and close down/ban a seller and a new one will emerge straight away.

I suspect the Chinese government or the people care little about UK rules. They still study the opium wars in their history books just like our kids learn about the romans and the tudors.

I am from the UK.

Born within the sound of Bow Bells.

I am fully aware of what goes on in the UK.

This is not what Chinese people, or the Chinese government think about UK rules.

It's about what the UK government and specifically HMRC are prepared to do about this and other problems affecting dishonesty in VAT, Import Duty as well as false accounting.

BTW, not sure about opium wars, but I can tell you that the young generation in China are streets ahead of their counterparts in the UK with regards to business accuman and online selling.

 

[dooyoo]

I guess I will just have to sneak in their warehouse at night with my 18v reciprocating saw and an axe and do some damage to their stock. I think I should be able to make some damage with a ratio of £500/minute.

In TV show "better call Sal" one of "bad" guys said: "I like to steal from thieves and criminals, because they do not like to go to police and complain about it".

But in reality what if a group of "vigilante's" just go and disrupt their business in their UK warehouse, by blocking delivery/courier trucks accessing their warehouse in "legal/un harmful" way.

There must be something that can be done to stop destroying our great country!!!

 

[Pish_Pash]

There must be something that can be done to stop destroying our great country!!!

it's already destroyed.