Changing from .com to .co.uk

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matt smith

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I hope all you experts out there can help me with a query. I am planning to move to a new hosting company very soon and they have suggested I change from a .com address to a co.uk address as it will help with google rankings. I own both domains and the co.uk one is set up to redirect to the .com one. The questions I have are:

  • I have a lot of links using .com and now have a page rank of 2 (v.proud of this as I have done it all myself and I'm no techno wizard). So will I have to change all those links to co.uk or risk google thinking my site is less important?
  • Will switching to co.uk help my google rankings in the Uk as this is where most of my customers are?
Hope you can help.

Regards

Matt Smith
 
Hi Matt,

I can only assume your new host has advised this if their servers are located outside the UK?

My advice would be use a host with servers in the UK, and don't change from .com to .co.uk

This is because a .com can rank on google uk if the site is hosted in the UK.

If you really want to change the domain, you need to 301 redirect ALL the pages to the new .co.uk version - or else you will be taking a massive step backwards in SE terms
 
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The problem is you will be starting again with the .co.uk. Your rankings will probably not be carried over from com to co.uk.

However you may find in time you have better rankings in the UK with the .co.uk.

Personally I would have both sites running simultaneously but concentrate my seo on the co.uk and simply let the com run on its own. You would need to make them sufficiently different so that you don't get penalised for duplicate content.

We have done this on our sites, our main site is www.temptationsdirect.co,uk and we also have www.temptationsdirect.com which has different internal linking names etc but is essentially the same as .co.uk. We get some orders through .com and it has a PR of 2 (although that doesn't mean anything). The biggest advantage is in development as if I want to change something or add some more functionality to the site I do it and test it on .com first before adding it to co.uk.

My advice is simple do not change to .co.uk alone, instead have both running.
 
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Personally I would have both sites running simultaneously but concentrate my seo on the co.uk and simply let the com run on its own. You would need to make them sufficiently different so that you don't get penalised for duplicate content.

That is an interesting approach Steve. I have not felt the need to do this as our .com outranks many .co.uk domains on Google.co.uk.

I am not saying your approach is wrong, but simply that the effort to make both sites sufficiently different must be very time consuming, and personally I would rather divert that time into making one great site?
 
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I am not saying your approach is wrong, but simply that the effort to make both sites sufficiently different must be very time consuming, and personally I would rather divert that time into making one great site?

Hi Ray,

It could be very time consuming but it depends on the software you use.

With our old software to build a site in this way would have taken the best part of a week, but with the software we now have and using it in conjunction with ISAPI_Rewrite (the windows equivalent of MOD_Rewrite) you can set it up in less than a day (probably two or three hours).

I don't do any major SEO on it so once it is built that's all I need to do (products are populated from the same back end database).
 
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Do not change to .co.uk or you will lose that bit of pride you just built up, and make sure as already said, that the server is based in the UK.

I have a .com and a UK hosting server for one of my websites. I redirect the .co.uk to the .com.
 
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matt smith

Hi Matt,

I can only assume your new host has advised this if their servers are located outside the UK?

My advice would be use a host with servers in the UK, and don't change from .com to .co.uk

This is because a .com can rank on google uk if the site is hosted in the UK.

If you really want to change the domain, you need to 301 redirect ALL the pages to the new .co.uk version - or else you will be taking a massive step backwards in SE terms
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Thanks for the advice Ray. Their servers are outside the uk as you guessed - limited choice as I am going for a genuine green and ethical host to fit in with my ethical business. What do you mean by 301 Redirect?

Thanks again

Matt
 
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matt smith

Do not change to .co.uk or you will lose that bit of pride you just built up, and make sure as already said, that the server is based in the UK.

I have a .com and a UK hosting server for one of my websites. I redirect the .co.uk to the .com.
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Thanks for the advice. Just one quick query. Why must the server be in the Uk? Is it because google will think a .com address based on a foreign server to be not british?

Thanks

Matt
 
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Why must the server be in the Uk? Is it because google will think a .com address based on a foreign server to be not british?

Many search engines use IP location to determine which country's SERPs your site appears in. If the server is located in Germany then you will do far better on a German search than a UK one, though Google have added a new tool to their Webmaster's tool kit that will help in cases like this http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/10/better-geographic-choices-for.html This will help with Google but won't benefit you with the other search engines.
 
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Out of interest who is the ethical host you are planning on moving too?

More to the point, WTF is an 'ethical' host? I'm sooo sick and tired of people badging products and/or services as 'ethical' and 'green'. What does an 'ethical' host do differently? Do they drive to work in Toyota Priuses? Do they only use 'fair trade' coffee in the coffee maker?
 
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Hi
Thanks for the advice Ray. Their servers are outside the uk as you guessed - limited choice as I am going for a genuine green and ethical host to fit in with my ethical business. What do you mean by 301 Redirect?

Thanks again

Matt

Hi Matt,

A "301" is a bit of code that forwards your old urls's to your new ones (I am not a coder, I know what they are and how important they are, as opposed to how to write them)

On the other side of things, I run a respected "eco friendly" operation and yet I am still to be convinced about "green hosting".

Even if "green hosting" exists, in this case I would totally discount it if it is not available on UK servers - there are times when the business case is too strong - and this is one of those occasions - would be my advice :)
 
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You can change that if you check the link in my previous post.

Agreed 100%, but at the potential loss of rank on Google.com

My standing advice would be to seek a solution that maximises your chances of ranking on:

google.com
google.co.uk (the web)
google.co.uk (uk only)

And I advise, from experience, the best way to do this is to use a .com hosted in the UK ;)
 
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Hi

So much advice. I do not want to do anything to risk the SEO I have had to learn and then put into action over the last 6 months so it seems my safest bet is to stay with the .com with the .co.uk redirected to it and also if I change hosts to stick to a UK based one.

Have I got it about right.

Matt
 
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Hi

So much advice. I do not want to do anything to risk the SEO I have had to learn and then put into action over the last 6 months so it seems my safest bet is to stay with the .com with the .co.uk redirected to it and also if I change hosts to stick to a UK based one.

Have I got it about right.

Matt

Yes - you have got it 100% right. Then if a carbon neutral or whatever host pops up in the Uk later, by all means change - but not before, and never to the detriment of your business :)
 
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I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has used the Google geo-location tool. I've got a .com site hosted on a UK server that does far better on a .com search than a .co.uk one. I've been tempted to set the location using this tool even though it's already UK based to see if it makes a difference, but like others, I don't want to rock the boat.
 
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I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has used the Google geo-location tool. I've got a .com site hosted on a UK server that does far better on a .com search than a .co.uk one. I've been tempted to set the location using this tool even though it's already UK based to see if it makes a difference, but like others, I don't want to rock the boat.

Is it a UK server, or a UK based hosting company whose servers are located elsewhere??
 
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I thought about that but I don't want to discourage international visitors by giving the impression it's only for UK visitors.

Some search examples

ecommerce forum - Page 1 .com, Page 2 .co.uk
shopping cart forum - Page 1 .com, Page 3 .co.uk

Obviously I don't want to risk my .com positions, but I wouldn't mind moving up google.co.uk a bit more.
 
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I thought about that but I don't want to discourage international visitors by giving the impression it's only for UK visitors.

Some search examples

ecommerce forum - Page 1 .com, Page 2 .co.uk
shopping cart forum - Page 1 .com, Page 3 .co.uk

Obviously I don't want to risk my .com positions, but I wouldn't mind moving up google.co.uk a bit more.

Ah, I understand. As it is a forum, how about a UK specific category?? That might help?
 
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It's a UK server, UK DNS, everything is 100% UK, but it still ranks better on google.com than google.uk.

I've had several clients with this problem, all our equipment is UK based but sometimes sites rank far better on google.com than UK, its odd but that’s search engines for you :) Not just google mind same issue with yahoo and msn!
 
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More to the point, WTF is an 'ethical' host? I'm sooo sick and tired of people badging products and/or services as 'ethical' and 'green'. What does an 'ethical' host do differently? Do they drive to work in Toyota Priuses? Do they only use 'fair trade' coffee in the coffee maker?
Thanks for saying what I was thinking. Green, fairtrade, ethical, these concepts do strike me as areas where there can be a lot of confusion and contradictions, areas that can open up a lot of questions, and areas that will mean very different things to different people.

In some ways any ecommerce operation delivering physical goods might be thought of as not green, because it is more green to walk to your local shop and buy locally produced products with local materials, not ordering from some online shop that sources their products from around the world which ultimately arrives at the shop by road transport, which is then delivered to the customer by road transport (all contributing to road congestion), even if some money is paid in carbon offsetting (and if so which carbon offsetting scheme).

A green host might use green energy, but are they also energy efficient or support home working rather than running offices which people commute to. Green might also be detrimental to your business. Do they try to save on extra servers by stuffing as many websites onto the same server, or do they use old outdated servers rather than throwing them away for new servers (look at my slow green website). Is different server hardware produced by certain PC manufacturers greener than others in terms of renewables and impact to the environment once it is disposed of? Do they also use energy efficient light bulbs, or lower powered processors? Or to take it to the next level of jest do they let their hardware run a little hotter to save energy on cooling, or do they cool their hardware to minimise their impact on global warming?

I've just noticed that rackspace in the uk have a green policy (but even tree planting is a debated issue).

An ethical host might say that they donate 10% of their profits to good causes, but this is meaningless if they run their company on a non-profit accounting basis (i.e. high salaries rather profits and dividends). Is there an ethical difference between open source hosting and Microsoft hosting?

To me an ethical host is one that doesn't litter our post boxes with junk mail or paper invoices, one that doesn't take out multi-page adverts in every related magazine, but most of all one that is honest with their customers, one that doesn't try to deceive, and one that gives good advice that is in the best interest of the customer.

I am planning to move to a new hosting company very soon and they have suggested I change from a .com address to a co.uk address as it will help with google rankings
For the OP's new host to not look at the wider picture of inbound links and say drop the .com, and move to a .co.uk to help google rankings is simply not true, and therefore the new host is not what I would consider an ethical host.

I have a lot of links using .com and now have a page rank of 2 (v.proud of this as I have done it all myself and I'm no techno wizard). So will I have to change all those links to co.uk or risk google thinking my site is less important?
A page rank of 2 is fairly easy to come by, even without many inbound links, and page rank in itself is not that important. The only thing that is really important is where you appear in the search engine for your targeted search terms. Pagerank does not contribute to this directly, only indirectly in certain cases.

People see websites doing well in searches for certain terms, they look at the site's high page rank, and think that the pagerank directly contributes to this ranking. This is not the case directly since pagerank is an arbitrary score that is search term neutral (you have a pagerank score regardless of a search term) whereas overall search engine ranking for a search term is a score based on the given search term.

Google uses around 200 factors to determine a site's ranking for a specific search term. Google also uses quite a few factors to determine a generic pagerank score. Some of these factors used for both calculations are similar and there is overlap (e.g. internal and external inbound links) and that is the main reason why some sites who do well in search engine ranking also have good pagerank. But it doesn't necessarily follow that a high PR site will rank well for any search term.

Will switching to co.uk help my google rankings in the Uk as this is where most of my customers are?
It wont help or improve your current situation, due to the inbound links pointing to the .com, but it will provide some compensation for the big drop you encounter if you just moved your .com to non-UK hosting. Only when you address your inbound link situation will you start to see similar results again.

It is possible to inform google that your .com website is mainly a UK website, but it does involve some jiggery pokery on a search engine specific basis - for instance if you google 'pages in the UK' search for best ecommerce solution, you will find actinic.com (US hosted) no 3, actinic.co.uk (UK hosted) no 1, and our humble ecommerce service awebapart.com (UK hosted) no 2!

Non-UK .com hosting and targeting the UK is possible with some search engines, but it is not as easy as just having a .com UK-hosted site (which works on most of the major search engines).
 
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I've had several clients with this problem, all our equipment is UK based but sometimes sites rank far better on google.com than UK, its odd but that’s search engines for you :) Not just google mind same issue with yahoo and msn!

If the .com has obviously UK specific content, and some decent inbound links from other relevant UK sites, the situation will likely improve
 
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    Just for my own curiousity does a "green" host use green server or does the colour not matter?
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    Seriously though, it's very easy to say you are a green host and do this and that yadda, yadda, but pretty much difficult to prove otherwise. As far as your business is concerned, reliability and support should come way up the list compared to if the techs wear sandals or not ;)

    No offence to people that wear sandals but some companies are taking the green label to extremes.

    We do our bit by donating to relevant charities, not sending paper invoices, advertising exclusively online but we don't feel the need to shout it from the rooftops simply as quality of service is far more important...
     
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    The problem is you will be starting again with the .co.uk. Your rankings will probably not be carried over from com to co.uk.

    However you may find in time you have better rankings in the UK with the .co.uk.

    Personally I would have both sites running simultaneously but concentrate my seo on the co.uk and simply let the com run on its own. You would need to make them sufficiently different so that you don't get penalised for duplicate content.

    We have done this on our sites, our main site is www.temptationsdirect.co,uk and we also have www.temptationsdirect.com which has different internal linking names etc but is essentially the same as .co.uk. We get some orders through .com and it has a PR of 2 (although that doesn't mean anything). The biggest advantage is in development as if I want to change something or add some more functionality to the site I do it and test it on .com first before adding it to co.uk.

    My advice is simple do not change to .co.uk alone, instead have both running.

    Good advice Steve that way if one of your domains get a slap then you still have the other as a fall back.

    Is there any proof that a .co.uk will out perform .com, assuming that both are hosted in the UK?
     
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    Is there any proof that a .co.uk will out perform .com, assuming that both are hosted in the UK?

    If there is, I have not seen it. I see lots of .coms at the top of Google UK, even with the UK only filter applied.

    As long as the hosting is UK as you say, I don't think it is an issue.

    In fact, I would say there can be a benefit to using a .com - insofar as you can often rank better on G .com as well as doing great on G .co.uk
     
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    Is there any proof that a .co.uk will out perform .com, assuming that both are hosted in the UK?
    Its hard to get proof since if you have both sites identical (which you must for a proper test) then the chances are G will see that one is a copy of the other and only display one site. This is one of those things that it really is a matter of opinion.
     
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    Its hard to get proof since if you have both sites identical (which you must for a proper test) then the chances are G will see that one is a copy of the other and only display one site. This is one of those things that it really is a matter of opinion.

    Yes I agree but I have never seen any evidence that one outweighs the other assuming histing is OK
     
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    From my experience .co.uk has always done better than .com in the G UK, but that is just for us and as I said it is impossible to carry out a cast iron study into it.

    Cheers for that Steve

    My interpretation is that .com gets an automatic pass assuming that the hosting is country specific, i.e. when it was easy for corporates to secure a .com and as that used to be the TLD of choice then it is/was considered universal.
     
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