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Does anybody sell on the French commerce website CDiscount, and if so, has it been successful for you? They claim to be number one in France, but a check on their stats suggests they trail Amazon France by some distance (38 million visits per month as opposed to 108 for Amazon).
 

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They called me (twice), I'm mildly interested but for now I have bigger fish to fry...I told them come back to me in March. Their name sounds awfully like they've outgrown their original business model (a bit like Carphone Warehouse...that one still makes me smile - massive shoulderpads & big hair anyone?)
 
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Hi,

I am French so I can give you some sort of point of view. Actually CDiscount is a big retailer in France, but their customer service is well-known to be bad and useless. Finding a product on their website is a bit difficult as it is pretty messy. Shipping is slow, you have to wait about 5 days to receive a product (Amazon 3 days for non prime customers). They are also known to be price-cutters, so in my opinion their customers are mainly looking for low prices. I also read somewhere that they mess up with products that do not have a genuine EAN13, but I do not know if it has changed nor if other websites are better at that.
When I am looking for products on CDiscount, I only do so for prices and because I can wait for the product.

Also, CDiscount does not advert on Google. If a customer wants a product, he or she must look on the merchant's website.

I am starting my own business and I plan to sell electronic devices on Amazon first, and then maybe on other websites such as RueDuCommerce or Pixmania, but CDiscount does not interest me to start with.
The good point is, as a seller, because of their bad customer service, the customers would not return their purchases.

Off topic: Pish_Pash, in an other topic almost one year ago, you said you can give some advice about currency brokers. Can you tell me some reliable currency brokers please? I cannot send private messages because I am new here ^^
 
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Hi,Off topic: Pish_Pash, in an other topic almost one year ago, you said you can give some advice about currency brokers. Can you tell me some reliable currency brokers please? I cannot send private messages because I am new here ^^

Thanks for the input re CDiscount.

re the currency broker...there are many. I guess the main worries when seeking out a currency broker are...

1. They don't steal your money! (reputable)
2. They get you a good rate.
3. They don't charge you any fees.
3. The transact efficiently (i.e. they get your money sent off promptly)

When I researched it (is it really one year ago?!!), the currency broker I went on to use came out on top of all the comparison tables...since you can't send PM, I will PM you the name of the currency broker that I use.
 
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Ref. currency brokers, I use Currencies Direct (i-payfx.com) and they have been brilliant, their rates are excellent and they transfer the money to the factories in China quickly and efficiently. Buying currency on their website is very easy too.

Back on topic, I have listed a number of products on Cdiscount but no sales as yet. Compared to Amazon, you do get a very limited number of searchable keywords (closer to eBay in that regard). It is also a bit of a nuisance that the size of images you can upload is capped, which means I have to fiddle around making reduced size photos of everything I am listing. having said that, the listing process is relatively straightforward, if a little slow (their website seems to run like treacle at times).

I don't expect to sell loads on Cdiscount but a few sales a month would be good. As we sell sunglasses we're not in our busy season yet and so March - July will be the real 'proving' ground.

Reivop, thanks for your feedback. We will be doing our own fulfillment and customer service and so we will bypass any potential issues that could be caused by their own systems being poor.

Cdiscount offer three months free if you have a World First euro account, they also gave me a couple more months free at the outset as a special offer so we won't have any monthly fees to pay until around June. At least that means I can trial products there for free and see how it goes.
 
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Just trying to list my first item on CDiscount, what on earth does....

Montant éco-part (€) and DEA €: mean?? (their system wants a price for these two fields on the CDiscount 'offer' page)

Also, what's the difference between...

Prix (TTC)(€) : & Prix de référence (prix barré)(TTC)(€) :

????
 
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In France you have a lot of "taxes" you have to pay to a select number of registered companies.

Here are the most common "taxes":
- WEEE (for electronic equipment)
- Battery waste (to Screlec or Corepile only, no minimum threshold contrary to the UK)
- Packaging waste (no minimum threshold contrary to the UK)
- Furniture waste (DEA, déchets d'éléments d'ameublement, I did not know that one)

When you sell a product in France, you must indicate how much éco-participation you pay for the product.
Eco-participation concerns WEEE and furniture waste only.

For example, if you pick any electronic device on Cdiscount, you can see for a Samsung UE50H6400 TV a MSRP at €684.48, a retail price at €579.99, and €4 of éco-participation (probably paid by the importer Samsung).

Prix TTC means price with all taxes included.
Prix de référence is the MSRP Minimum Suggested Retailer Price (all taxes included).

TTC (toutes taxes incluses) means all taxes included.
 
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I've had a lot of involvement with this channel over the last six months or so. Within my organisation I will admit that this channel is something we've set up as an additional channel of income rather than a main sales channel. We utilise Volo Commerce, a multi channel sales and inventory management software and the new integration that is hopefully coming in the next few months will mean that we will get a few more sales each month to run alongside eBay and Amazon for us. We set up the cDiscount account for manual management, which I have headed, to see how the channel performed and whether we wanted to go ahead with Volo integration which we shall be doing.

I can give you an insight on how well the channel has done for us; I can't remember the start up date exactly, but lets say since January we've had 485 sales. Out of those we have only had a small handful of customers complain about a 6 to 8 working day delivery period from UK to France. In that time however, we've had only 7 customer feedback. So don't expect massive recognition of your services :p I will say that out of 90 or so listed products only a handful seem to sell well, so it's definitely an interesting marketplace. As someone previously said, the lower prices do seem to sell well, but there are occasions that do buck that trend. Off of the top of my, head our main sellers have been Bestway Pool Filters, a Ninja Turtles back pack, a wall mounted extendible clothes line, a massaging ball, and a few different Monster High dolls and playsets.

In terms of inventory, I find that their listing system is easy enough to use once you have gotten the hang of what everything is and where everything goes. With any new sales channel there is a period of learning required, so this isn't really any different for cDiscount. When we were setting up, we received a fair amount of help from an account manager with documentation and other bits and pieces to get us going. One tip I will give you is that at the top right corner of any of the cDiscount back end pages, you will see a union jack and a French flag. I highly recommend changing the language to English using the union jack, it makes things a lot easier.

I have noticed that this is a fairly old OP, and I am very well aware that cDiscount has made considerable changes to their back office. It's entirely possible that problems anyone may have come across previously may actually have now been corrected or made easier to get around.

One draw back I will say is the customer service. I've never used the channel for purchasing, I can't as I am unable to register as a customer as an English consumer, but I have always received a response from cDiscount helpdesk whenever an email has been sent. But the issue with both the cDiscount helpdesk and actually answering customer queries from your own shop is the language barrier. Anyone who has ever tried translating French on Google Translate will know exactly what I mean. Translating from English to French is fine. Type it out, click a button and you've translated. But if you then re-translate that back to English, you will see that it is sometimes just a complete jumbled mess of what you wanted to say. The same is true when translating a customers message into English. But this can hardly be blamed on cDiscount as this is the same situation if you sell through Amazon Unified France. But, even this can be gotten around with the use of some email templates that are generic with a few pieces of information that you switch out for each individual customer.

All in all I will say that cDiscount is a channel that UK sellers might want to consider a secondary, extra income channel rather than a main sales channel. French sellers a lot of the time will be able to go cheaper because they have cheaper postage than we do from the UK. But if you get some of your own unique products on there or you can get products that are on there with few other sellers it can be a good channel to have. As always, there is no generic answer. Only you guys are going to know your circumstances and whether the channel is right for you. However, even through the faults it has and the annoyances, I would recommend the cDiscount channel. Europe is becoming a massive new marketplace opening up to UK sellers, and at Urban Trading we are looking to start exploiting this. cDiscount was the first in a few opportunities we are exploring, including the Polish channel Allegro.

Thank you for taking the time to read through, and I do apologise for the length of the post. Hopefully I have helped some of you make your mind up, one way or the other, on whether the channel is for you. If there are any other bits and pieces that anyone would like to know, let's get the questions coming in and I'm sure that myself along with other cDiscount users on the forum can try and get those answered for you :)
 
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I just wanted to follow this thread up with my experience of selling on CDiscount, which can be summed up in one word: terrible.

We did make the odd sale, but it soon became obvious I'd been lied to by their staff who called me and tried to claim their website is bigger than Amazon. Sadly for them, this is way, way off the mark, and the gap is getting wider. Back in January 2015, I used Similar Web to check their visitor stats and the results over a six month period were as follows:

Amazon France - 108 million
CDiscount - 38 million

Checking today, these are the results:

Amazon France - 165.1 million
CDiscount: 61.8 million

Nevertheless, you might consider CDiscount worth a go based on those stats and I did too. As I say, we got the odd sale here and there but nothing great, then came the problem. A customer asked for a return / refund, so we gave it to them. A while later, they put in a dispute claiming we hadn't paid it. In actual fact, they had made duplicate return requests. We explained this to CDiscount and they appeared to understand, but then they started sending messages threatening to suspend our account. I emailed customer services screen grabs proving there was a duplicate request, and that we had paid the refund but they didn't listen and suspended our account. Now they are saying they will use debt collectors to try and get money from us - I don't even know why we owe it because I asked them to close the account weeks ago. I can't log in to the site to check the customer services ticket they raised, so what am I supposed to do?

CDiscount are an utter shambles. I truly wish I hadn't wasted my time on them because they told me lies about their website and then showed a level of incompetence on a breathtaking scale. Do yourselves a favour and concentrate on eBay and Amazon. Don't waste your precious time on these cowboys.
 
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CDiscount are an utter shambles. I truly wish I hadn't wasted my time on them because they told me lies about their website and then showed a level of incompetence on a breathtaking scale. Do yourselves a favour and concentrate on eBay and Amazon. Don't waste your precious time on these cowboys.

I tend to agree about them being a shambles (my sales sucked on there too)...

CDiscount story-ette: they erroneously deposited €32 into my World First account (about 6 months after I'd ceased trading on their marketplace)...I asked World first to return the money to them, but they said they couldn't & that CDiscount must request it back (which World First would then authorize Deutche bank, who operate as World First's bank in German...where my CDiscount deposits used to go)...I therefore emailed CDiscount with this info, they did nothing - but in the past week or two I'm getting emails along the lines of "We've passed this over to our collection agency". Bozos.
 
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It is ok for us, but definitely not Amazon. I would say that orders from Cdiscount are not more than 2-3% from our total eBay & Amazon orders.

BUT, its definitely "impress" me every time how a medium size marketplace have ZERO customer service. Almost impossible (or take ages!) to get an answer (by mail) from their support, No option to have a chat on the phone and the site is NOT friendly at all to the average English user.

Not sure how long they will last like this..
 
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I'm also getting that 'collection agency' guff, probably for the same reasons, i.e. World First's switch to using Deutsche Bank instead of Barclays in Paris. Muppets. I'd like to see them pay an international debt collection agency to take me to court for the thirty euros or whatever it is they think I owe them. Something tells me that won't happen.
 
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I have an update for you on this and you won't believe it. I messaged them and told them to give me a settlement figure so that we could draw a line under the matter. I was sent bank details for the payment, and then the amount owing, which was about 329 euros. I paid it. Today, I received a message from someone in CDiscount saying:

Dear Seller,
Your payment of October 15th will not be issued because of your outstanding balance.
Your case has been forwarded to our collection service.
For further information, our seller support is available trough the following form : https://sellercontactform.cdiscount.com/

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but based on my own experience, chasing relatively small amount of money through international courts is pretty much a waste of time because it costs simply far too much to try and collect the debt. What usually happens is, you get your collection agents to contact the debtor and say "pay up or else" but if they call your bluff and refuse, there isn't much else you can realistically do.

If CDiscount send my money back but I then refuse to pay they could end up with nothing so why not just accept the 329.00 euros? As debt collection agencies work on a no collection, no payment basis, they aren't going to have to pay them anything for withdrawing the debt.

this company really are the most inept bunch I've ever come across. Clueless.
 
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Well, CDiscount have just sent me a message to say they have finally closed my account. After months of them sending me threatening emails saying they have passed my debt to their 'collection agents' I hope that is the end of the matter. I have been right royaly shafted by this bunch of French cowboys. Do yourselves a favour and never, ever even consider selling with them. They have taken me for hundreds of euros, following a sorry sequence of events that all stemmed from a technical error on their website which led to our account being wrongfully suspended. All we had to show for our time as a seller was maybe five or six sales of cheap items. Hopefully they won't be stupid enough to try and recover more money, since they never returned the 329.23 euros I sent them as settlement, after telling me the payment "isn't acceptable" because 'the debt has been handed to our collection agents.' I have a full paper trail I can use to prove their ineptitude so I'm not worried in a legal sense although to be honest, I could do without wasting my time having to deal with any more nonsense from them.

The bottom line with CDiscount is, they are are very small compared to Amazon, and their 40 euro monthly seller fee is ridiculous - Amazon is way cheaper, and actually costs nothing if you are merely adding France to your existing UK seller account. If they call you and start telling you fibs about how big they are in France, just do yourself a favour and politely get rid of them.
 
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It's a shame really because based on the numbers you provided higher up they would certainly be worth a go but not if you are just signing up for buckets of hassle.
We are likely to look at expanding to marketplaces outside of the Ebay/Amazon sphere this year but it is a struggle to pick one really, they are all lightyears behind the big two.
 
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Cdiscount contacted me last April and asked me to sell on their site, which I eventually agreed to. They gave me a free month and I could not get organised as they were not very helpful. I contacted them several times thereafter to sell a product set, unfortunately they did not reply to multiple emails and there was no telephone number to call. They then started sending me a message stating that I owed them for subscription fees, I responded immediately, however they did not respond. Just a few days ago I received a request from their solicitor for 4 months of fees €156 which I was very shocked to see. I immediately replied to them with all the email addresses that they use, but I have had no response. Does anyone have an active email address which I can use to respond to them or a telephone number?
 
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Hi Michael,

I would advise you to consider taking the same action I did. I printed copies of all the correspondence I had with them, including all of my various attempts to resolve matters, wrote them a formal letter and sent it along with the supporting paperwork to their HQ on a tracked and signed-for service. I also asked them to answer various questions, including an explanation as to why they refused to 'recognise' my payment of 300 euros, which they never returned. I also sent a copy of the letter to my solicitor and made it clear at the top of the letter that I had done this (you don't have to go that far if you don't want to). Thus far, they have not responded.

Can I just ask - the letter you received - was it from a French debt collection agency, or an address in the UK?

the amount of money they say you owe is, legally, very small and they are extremely unlikely to pursue it any further as it would cost them quite a lot of money to take you to court. If you do write to them, don't acknowledge you owe them the money because they could potentially use that in the unlikely event things are taken further.

Your other option is to simply do nothing. I know that probably sounds a bit scary but truthfully, they have few real options to chase you for such a tiny amount. I have had to use a debt collection agency a few times to chase trade customers home and abroad - the agency always make it clear that, if their initial letter and phone call don't get results, realistically, I will have to write the debt off.

I wish you good luck and please try not to worry about it.
 
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Hi There,

Thank you for your detailed reply.
The email came from, Bocchio & Associés Huissiers de justice, it looks like a law firm.

They sent another email today and it was more aggressive, see below.. I replied directly to them and said,
" There has been an fatal error with the information that cdiscount has given to you.
I HAVE NEVER USED OR SOLD 1 ITEM ON CDISCOUNT EVER. If they have informed you that I owe them money they have given you false information."


Reference: B1702152371 -
You have not seized any of the opportunities that were offered to you to pay or settle by monthly pacts your debt of 156.00 EUR due to our customer .Cdiscount. We are therefore forced to put an end to our attempts to reach a friendly settlement. As the claim is not contested, we request the original documents of the file to our client so that it gives us a mandate to submit a request to the judge of the competent court.
 
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"As the claim is not contested, we request the original documents of the file to our client so that it gives us a mandate to submit a request to the judge of the competent court."

What does that mean? I would read that they are asking CDiscount to give them the paperwork they need to file a claim at court.

At the moment, I would suggest you do nothing else and see what happens. My guess is, nothing, or further threatening emails designed to make you panic and pay them something.
 
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Yes you are correct, my main concern is that, you here many cases where, due to claims like this, a company ends up getting a negative credit rating that is impossible to remove, Also the fact that it may escalate and I end up with a bill for 10 x the original value.
 
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I can totally understand that. Maybe you should book an hour with a business solicitor to discuss is - it will cost you, but they might be able to put your mind at rest or at least advise how to proceed. I'm not a lawyer, I can only advise based on my experience of debt collection and that may not be relevant to France, or CDiscount's own policies. Their problem is, being an international debt makes it more expensive and difficult to collect.

One thing's for sure - this thread isn't doing them any good. It now ranks in position 5 on Google search for 'CDiscount seller' on Google.co.uk

CDiscount really ought to consider their image before getting heavy-handed with sellers. They seem to put a lot of time and effort into trying to persuade UK based Amazon.fr sellers to use them as an additional platform and the last thing they need is high profile, bad publicity about their terrible customer service. Persuading us to come on board and then right royaly shafting us isn't a good way to make friends in the UK business community.
 
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Anyone selling on CDiscount and would know how to delete products from your catalogue. Find it pretty annoying that I unpublished some products which are no longer in stock, however they still show up in my catalogue (from the backend only)

Another question I had is how do I get a product which is currently offline in my catalogue to be put online???
 
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Have been selling on Cdiscount for about a year. Have found them to be a big pain.
We actually have a few products that sell reasonably well on there (but only maybe 1/5th of Amazon.fr but better than Ebay.fr).
However, they charge 17% commission, vs Amazon's 15% or ebay + Paypal, 12.5%.
They do offer a fulfillment service similar to Amazon, but you have to contact them, they upload your shipment to their system etc.. which would be fine except they can take weeks to actually respond.

I'd continue with them if they weren't a hassle to deal with. Their CMS is terrible, sales reports are ridiculous. They have a upgrade available for 99€ per month which is supposed to allow you use their "professional System". Total joke, it's not even an improvement. Why should I pay extra for a service that's worse than Amazon/ ebay.
 
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They were on the phone to me a few years ago. I said their commission was too high and asked them why none of my competitors were on it. They replied that it was an opportunity for me to be the first....whatever, I'm only interested in a new channel if it is cheaper than the current ones... and the competition is still not there. And it's not new any more.

Since moving here, I placed 25 ads on leboncoin as a test and have had the best response of my 4 channels here,the channels being ebay, amazon, my website and leboncoin. Based on the trial, it looks like leboncoin will be my busiest channel in France. Sadly, you cant sync it...as it works like gumtree. I'm hoping I can use it to direct them to a website sale, whereas in the trial I sold a few items by direct email communication and invoicing. It works ok for me as our average spend is 90 euros, so a direct sale is worth the effort. Just.
 
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