Brexit - How would you vote today?

[HFE Signs]

We're approaching 2yrs since the UK's transition period ended, it's fair to say most people voted with little knowledge of the impact and what leaving the EU really meant.

If there was a referendum would you vote the same? How would you vote today?

 

[MBE2017]

My vote would stand.

After so many years in the EU, it is much too early to declare the effects of leaving, whether people judge it a success or not is down to what data you see and believe, over what time frame or single year.

With world events in recent years, such comparisons are even harder to make.

 

[Bob Morgan]

We're approaching 6.5 Years since the Referendum. I will have to ask Matron to explain it all again.

 

[Newchodge]

My vote would stand. I did understand the likely impact of Brexit and argued on these pages (prior to the referendum) that NI would be an insurmountable problem. If @MBE2017 is right and it is too soon to declare the effects of leaving, we already have very stong indications of the problems it has caused.

 

[Ozzy]

I agree the "data" people used to vote with was not accurate, on both sides. I also think overall it has been handled appallingly; nonetheless my choice wouldn't change.

I was a remainer but my reasons had very little to do with trade. It was more that I see the world as one for all and breaking away felt like a step backwards to me. We should be coming together with all countries, yeah I know idealistic but that was my reasons. I feel the whole shambles has divided people and communities, and countries, which is just sad.

 

[japancool]

Didn't (couldn't) vote, but I would still support leaving.

But I would have preferred more competent leadership in the aftermath.

 

[kulture]

I voted to remain, and I would vote the same way if we had a time machine and went back to the original vote. However if we had a SECOND referrendum I would vote to leave as I do not like the idea that a vote is repeated until we get the "right" answer. I also have not been impressed by the actions of the EU and am not certain that Brexit is such a bad idea.

 

[simon field]

I voted to remain but would definitely now vote leave.

I’m keen to see Independence for the Scots, and hopefully NI and eventually Wales. I’d like to see England truly isolated and alone, which is really what people were after.

 

[japancool]

I voted to remain but would definitely now vote leave.

I’m keen to see Independence for the Scots, and hopefully NI and eventually Wales. I’d like to see England truly isolated and alone, which is really what people were after.

No, what I want to see is everyone being treated equally, regardless of where they happen to have been born.

See, there are two ways of looking at it.

Those who want to leave don't want uncontrolled immigration. They are racists.

Those who want to remain are happy with uncontrolled immigration, as long as it's white. They are racists.

Depends which side of the fence you sit.

 

[HFE Signs]

I voted to remain, and I would vote the same way if we had a time machine and went back to the original vote. However if we had a SECOND referrendum I would vote to leave as I do not like the idea that a vote is repeated until we get the "right" answer. I also have not been impressed by the actions of the EU and am not certain that Brexit is such a bad idea.

I don't think its a case of keep going until you get the answer you want - more a case of voting with better understanding

 

[Newchodge]

No, what I want to see is everyone being treated equally, regardless of where they happen to have been born.

See, there are two ways of looking at it.

Those who want to leave don't want uncontrolled immigration. They are racists.

Those who want to remain are happy with uncontrolled immigration, as long as it's white. They are racists.

Depends which side of the fence you sit.

What about those of us hwo want to remain but have no problem with uncontrolled immigration?

 

[simon field]

No, what I want to see is everyone being treated equally, regardless of where they happen to have been born.

See, there are two ways of looking at it.

Those who want to leave don't want uncontrolled immigration. They are racists.

Those who want to remain are happy with uncontrolled immigration, as long as it's white. They are racists.

Depends which side of the fence you sit.

That’s assuming that immigration was the reason for voting in a particular way.

 

[Ozzy]

That’s assuming that immigration was the reason for voting in a particular way.

Agreeing with this, my reason for my choice had nothing to do with immigration at all. As a subject it didn't surface in any of my decision making.

 

[japancool]

What about those of us hwo want to remain but have no problem with uncontrolled immigration?

I think those people are misguided. Uncontrolled immigration is disruptive to a society that's not geared up to handle it. Even the US, a nation built on immigrants struggles to handle large influxes of migrants.

Controlled immigration is just a way to allow a society to absorb immigrants successfully. There's nothing worse than wandering through part of a city in your own country and feeling like you're in another country (well, obviously there are LOTS of things that are worse, but you get what I mean). But the control of immigration shouldn't be based on one's country of birth.

I saw a lot of stuff after Brexit about the rights of the "3 million". What about the rights of those of us who weren't from the EU? We didn't get free application for the right to settle. It costs us £2000, but no one marches in our favour.

If I posted a job advert that said "No Pakistani/Indian/Jamaican applicants", or "EU applicants only", I'd be breaking the law.

 

[apricot]

I voted for remain but I would choose to leave if it was handled better way, otherwise, it is clearly not working well for UK

 

[japancool]

That’s assuming that immigration was the reason for voting in a particular way.

Oh, I imagine for a significant proportion of people, it was. Not necessarily for the majority, but maybe it was.

 

[japancool]

I voted for remain but I would choose to leave if it was handled better way, otherwise, it is clearly not working well for UK

Because the people tasked with handling it were incompetent. It was in the hands of politicians, after all.

 

[NickGrogan]

Oh, I imagine for a significant proportion of people, it was. Not necessarily for the majority, but maybe it was.

Just because people are racist in your imagination, doesn't make them actually racist.

 

[simon field]

Oh, I imagine for a significant proportion of people, it was. Not necessarily for the majority, but maybe it was.

That sounds a bit like something made up in the press, to stoke division.

 

[DontAsk]

That sounds a bit like something made up in the press, to stoke division.

Or a racist trying to normalise their own views.

 

[japancool]

Just because people are racist in your imagination, doesn't make them actually racist.

I'm sure they don't think they are.

 

[japancool]

That sounds a bit like something made up in the press, to stoke division.

Perhaps, but judging by what some Conservative members were saying during the PM election (between Truss and Sunak), it's still at the forefront of many people's minds.

Hell, Braverman was going on about reducing the number of foreign students not so long ago.

 

[Paul FilmMaker]

I'd still vote Remain. My business has now lost the ability to conduct work in Germany, Italy and Spain. I now have one, German customer left who needs work in the UK. The others were UK companies expanding or doing business internationally.

I can't service them. I have to buy carnets for my kit, get the customers to sponsor work permits and even if we complete carnets, if customs have an iffy day, they still might confiscate stuff that we then have to beg to get back.

I just sent a hard drive to Germany with footage on it. Customs intercepted it, opened it and are now asking questions about it. And sure, we sent over four, identical hard drives because we anticipated this so it costs us four times as much money to do the same job as before. Four times the costs for the same job.

 

[MBE2017]

It is a shame that people cannot move on, I appreciate the vote was close, but the decision was made, rightly or wrongly. I cannot see how thinking the EU is some sort of nirvana, when all the UK did was moan, complain and did their best to hold up the match towards a federal Europe.

The UK has a different history and perspective to the EU, we are out now and I can’t see any justification in changing the decision. The UK has not gone to pieces, we are in a process of change. Considering everything that has gone on, plus the EU’s determination to prove that any State considering leaving would feel its wrath, our economy has done surprisingly well so far, and will continue to prosper.

As for the racist comment yet again thrown up, at least on EU Nation has reduced its foreign aid and changed its immigration policy to deter migrants, does this make them racist? No, it means they realise unfettered immigration is not good for a Nation.

I have yet to meet anyone against allowing controlled immigration into the UK, and certainly have heard nothing but sympathy for true refugees and asylum seekers, but truth is, the majority of the boat migration are economic migrants.

Anyway, I will bow out, I prefer to look to the future, not dwell in the past.

 

[NickGrogan]

I'd still vote Remain. My business has now lost the ability to conduct work in Germany, Italy and Spain. I now have one, German customer left who needs work in the UK. The others were UK companies expanding or doing business internationally.

I can't service them. I have to buy carnets for my kit, get the customers to sponsor work permits and even if we complete carnets, if customs have an iffy day, they still might confiscate stuff that we then have to beg to get back.

I just sent a hard drive to Germany with footage on it. Customs intercepted it, opened it and are now asking questions about it. And sure, we sent over four, identical hard drives because we anticipated this so it costs us four times as much money to do the same job as before. Four times the costs for the same job.

Why are you sending hard drives?

Surely a cloud or VPN solution would be more efficient?

 

[HFE Signs]

Anyway, I will bow out, I prefer to look to the future, not dwell in the past.

All learning is done through history and learning through history makes for a better future

 

[The Byre]

Why are you sending hard drives?

Surely a cloud or VPN solution would be more efficient?

RAW data takes 22.4 GB per minute, so one hour of footage comes to 1.344TB.

ProRes is still about 690GB for one hour. Compressed 4:2:2-Intra still comes to about 3GB per minute, so 180GB.

Fibre can reliably transmit about 50mbs, so about 6MB per second or 360 per min - one-third of a GB. One hour of ProRes (the usual pro standard for broadcast footage) would take 35 hours! And assumes that both ends have fibre and that any service used can take those amounts of data.

The major studios, cinema chains and ad agencies use satellite and that costs real money!

 

[IanSuth]

I voted remain as whilst my theoretical economics head could see the efficiencies possible from the ERG/Minford style of Brexit I thought that especially because they would need to win with the help of the LEXIT protectionist leavers there was no way that circle could be squared - also I personally could not justify the social impacts of a dog eat dog Singapore-on-Thames style free market so would rather remain and effect change from within.

I predicted when leave won that we would end up with EFTA or similar due to NI - even though it is provably worse than either fully in or out

With the utter failure of Truss proving that the country is not ready or willing for the ERG solution I have been proved right on that part - I suspect i will be on the second so I would def vote Remain again and rejoin if we ever get another chance

 

[japancool]

RAW data takes 22.4 GB per minute, so one hour of footage comes to 1.344TB.

ProRes is still about 690GB for one hour. Compressed 4:2:2-Intra still comes to about 3GB per minute, so 180GB.

Fibre can reliably transmit about 50mbs, so about 6MB per second or 360 per min - one-third of a GB. One hour of ProRes (the usual pro standard for broadcast footage) would take 35 hours! And assumes that both ends have fibre and that any service used can take those amounts of data.

The major studios, cinema chains and ad agencies use satellite and that costs real money!

I imagine if you regularly wanted to transmit that kind of data volume, you'd be doing it over a dedicated leased line.

 

[japancool]

also I personally could not justify the social impacts of a dog eat dog Singapore-on-Thames style free market so would rather remain and effect change from within.

A lot of people on this forum seem to want Ireland-on-Trent.

 

[Ozzy]

I imagine if you regularly wanted to transmit that kind of data volume, you'd be doing it over a dedicated leased line.

We do nothing like the volume and quality of video that @The Byre and @Paul FilmMaker do, but we have a dedicated leased line at our office but that's only 200MB/s so even I am asked to take a hard drive home occasionally to upload video from my home with as a 1GB/s fibre line ... and that is only video files taking up circa 50-70GB each and at a lower res than needed for film. Handling TB's of data for multiple clients I can imagine a typical fibre line of 1GB would be enough.

 

[BobzYourUncle]

I come with a different perspective opinion. EU was a good idea when it was the EEC many moons ago with a few countries in the union. It worked well for a while.
But now we live in this new geopolitcal era. Tension with china and russia. Pandemic, Ukraine war, Climate change, Taiwan/china.
The EU as a whole has been operating too simplistically for too long skirting around politics. Too many economic trade deals done and dusted naively thinking that countries like russia and china would change their ways and be more like us.... And here we are now.. somewhat paying the price.
For the love of money and trade deals we also sold parts of our national security, technology and infrastructure.. .We can't go back now and undo those things.. But collectively we gonna have to work together in some shape or form.. I did I vote to leave..yep. would I do it again yep.. nothing to do with immigration or anything like that.. but more the EU system needed to change its ways.. way too slow and indecisive when faced with global challenges.

 

[japancool]

We do nothing like the volume and quality of video that @The Byre and @Paul FilmMaker do, but we have a dedicated leased line at our office but that's only 200MB/s so even I am asked to take a hard drive home occasionally to upload video from my home with as a 1GB/s fibre line ... and that is only video files taking up circa 50-70GB each and at a lower res than needed for film. Handling TB's of data for multiple clients I can imagine a typical fibre line of 1GB would be enough.

Are you on 1GB up and down, or a different upload speed?

 

[NickGrogan]

RAW data takes 22.4 GB per minute, so one hour of footage comes to 1.344TB.

ProRes is still about 690GB for one hour. Compressed 4:2:2-Intra still comes to about 3GB per minute, so 180GB.

Fibre can reliably transmit about 50mbs, so about 6MB per second or 360 per min - one-third of a GB. One hour of ProRes (the usual pro standard for broadcast footage) would take 35 hours! And assumes that both ends have fibre and that any service used can take those amounts of data.

The major studios, cinema chains and ad agencies use satellite and that costs real money!

1GB leased line would take about 1 hour 35 to upload 690GB

I guess it depends on how many you send, but better than relying on customs.

 

[japancool]

1GB leased line would take about 1 hour 35 to upload 690GB

I guess it depends on how many you send, but better than relying on customs.

Also quicker than overnighting a hard drive - and given how much next day to Europe costs, plus the cost of the drive, possibly cheaper as well.

Depends on the total volume of data I suppose.

 

[The Byre]

Are you on 1GB up and down, or a different upload speed?

and is that GB or Gb - i.e. bytes or bits per second?

 

[Ozzy]

Are you on 1GB up and down, or a different upload speed?

Up and down, Northants council paid mega millions to have fibre ran around the whole county to every village home before they went bust and the Government had to step in!

 

[The Byre]

Handling TB's of data for multiple clients I can imagine a typical fibre line of 1GB would be enough.

Our three problems are that

• the client or the person working for them will often not have anything more than broadband.
• there is no availability of getting a line as the closest hub is over 12 miles away
• we move vast amounts of data about once or twice a year and the rest of the year it would be sitting there costing £500+ a month, not doing anything! The Frisbee network it is then!

Also, we are not providing quality footage for a variety of clients like Paul, but working on films and the processes are different, as the footage itself is not what the client wants during post-production. That comes later. So low-quality standard-def footage and an audio link will do for joint working with others around the Globe.

Up and down, Northants council paid mega millions to have fibre ran around the whole county to every village home before they went bust and the Government had to step in!

Jammy bar stewards!

 

[Ozzy]

Handling TB's of data for multiple clients I can imagine a typical fibre line of 1GB would be enough.

I made a typo @The Byre ; I meant to say handling TB of data 1GB (still) "wouldn't" be enough.

 

[UKSBD]

I didn't vote then and wouldn't vote now.

Mainly due to the fact I am anti referendums on things I don't have enough knowledge on.

I would rather not vote than vote wrong and despite trying to learn didn't feel I knew enough to vote one way or the other.