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I would be interested on hearing people's views on niche B2B digital marketing and how to do it well.

Many of the standard rules you will see in the textbooks and digital marketing courses simply don't work very well for low-volume B2B marketing. For example, all the general wisdom about PPC search is all very well and good when you have plenty of people searching for your product each month on google. You segment your market, work out their needs, work out how each of these segments might search in google and then design your ads and landing pages around that. But none of this really works when you only have a few hundred people searching for your product each month. You might get viable search volume for your generic terms but once you start segmenting it down you just don't get enough volumes and hence all those plans for beautifully aligned and linked landing pages go out the window.

This was a lesson I learned many years ago when trying to apply all my fine theoretical marketing knowledge to our industrial spray nozzle business. It does not get much more niche than industrial spray nozzles. I tried to do all the Google ads stuff and basically could only really get enough search volumes for generic search terms. Almost all the PPC consultants and "experts" I spoke to gave me the same standard playbook of what should be done, and none of it worked, simply because you can't get enough search volume to run segmented campaigns. I rapidly concluded that most of the so-called experts really didn't understand B2B niche marketing that well. I'm sure there are good companies out there but I never found any that really understood the subtleties of this area.

For me, the most fundamental thing about B2B niche marketing is that you really have to understand your business and customers. This is why most digital marketing agencies fail because in order to understand something as obscure as the "industrial spray nozzle market" would take weeks or months of research and is probably beyond the capabilities of most marketing people. It takes even the qualified engineers we employ as salespeople at least a year before they are of any use to me, so what hope would a non-engineer digital marketing expert have of understanding anything about my business?

All this is different for B2C because most B2C products, by definition, are fairly easy for marketers to understand. There will probably be some familiarity with the product and you won't need a degree in engineering or other specialist knowledge to understand the benefits of the product. So, it is a relatively simple task for a marketer to understand something like a clothing range, or a toy, some new garden tool or whatever other B2C product. We can all get a reasonable understanding of these things by looking at competitor offerings and conducting customer surveys and the like. It's not that complicated, the complexity actually comes later when working out how the hell you compete for clicks with well-established players that can outspend you 10:1. And that is when the standard PPC theory comes into play and you set about carving out your niche and choosing your battleground to suit your strengths. But not much of that applies to B2B niche products.

My solution to that problem was basically to forget about PPC and focus on good technical content to drive long-tail SEO. There are probably only a handful of people searching each month for "air atomizing nozzles for food applications" but each one of those is a really good prospect punter and if we appear page 1 top slot with our page on that exact topic then we will get that call. It might only be 1 or 2 calls a month but that's probably £2,000 of high-margin business and then you repeat that for the other 100 or so niches and hey presto now you have a nice marketing machine. You can't do this with PPC because each individual specific term will not have enough volume to link to a specific landing page on that topic. But you can, over time, do it with good content because the good news is that there ain't much competition and it's not that hard to dominate google for something like "air atomizing spray nozzle". This is how we dominated google for our niche and how we out-compete much larger organisations with bigger marketing budgets.

Another massive problem for B2B marketing in general is actually tracking success. With B2C it's relatively straightforward. With the right tracking software, you can see where the orders came from and which adds generate the initial inquiry. With B2B the buying cycle is so long and complex that this becomes really tricky! For example, a spray nozzle enquiry might start with a design engineer who is looking to solve a particular spray problem, they will google up spray nozzles, end up on our site, give us a call, we then do our consultancy work and get the nozzle specified into whatever he is building and the part number is put in the drawing. Then 6 months later the project goes ahead and a completely different company (either the end client or the purchasing company) comes to us with a request for 6 of our part number xxxxxxx. We take the order of course but the sale actually occurred 6 months ago when we spoke to the design engineer, how he found us is the important thing from a marketing perspective. But the conversation 6 months ago might not even be linked to the one now with the company that is buying in our CRM! I love Hubspot and it's probably the best way to try and track all of this, but even a cool program like HubSpot struggles with these disjointed sales processes.

Anyway - are there any fellow travelers here marketing niche B2B products? Do the challenges above resonate? Or what other challenges have you found?
 
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Ignore PPC, ignore SEO, ignore everything aimed at high volume. So a great extent, ignore your website.

You or someone at your company should know all the potential customers for "industrial spray nozzles", you should also know all the designers/engineers who could specify "industrial spray nozzle"

So you create content aimed at these 2 groups of people and then you contact them and tell them about the content. You can send them the content in an email, via post, video, or a link to the content.

No PPC, no SEO, no searching, etc.

Also, if you are specified for a project/product, you should follow that product from specification to order, not just wait 6 months and hope the order appears and your product is not replaced by an alternative at the last minute.

This is how exactly EU Glass sold ~£250M for glass and glazing.
 
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Go to where your customers are.

As @NickGrogan said, if you are so niche you know who you sell to, you know which trade shows they attend, you know their address. Write to them with a glossy brochure. Not everything has to be done online. A huge amount of b2b is still done face to face.

When was the last time you took a client out for lunch to discuss your shiny new nozzle design?
 
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Ignore PPC, ignore SEO, ignore everything aimed at high volume. So a great extent, ignore your website.

You or someone at your company should know all the potential customers for "industrial spray nozzles", you should also know all the designers/engineers who could specify "industrial spray nozzle"

So you create content aimed at these 2 groups of people and then you contact them and tell them about the content. You can send them the content in an email, via post, video, or a link to the content.

No PPC, no SEO, no searching, etc.

Also, if you are specified for a project/product, you should follow that product from specification to order, not just wait 6 months and hope the order appears and your product is not replaced by an alternative at the last minute.

This is how exactly EU Glass sold ~£250M for glass and glazing.
Well this illustrates a really interesting point namely you really have to understand your market. This advice is probably good advice for many b2b companies but is not good advice for ours.

Developing our website and focusing having lots of good content built up over many years has been a winning strategy. This is because we sell components that are occasional purchase google is how engineers find companies like ours.

As for following on those leads for 6 months well again this is good advice for high ticket item but not for a niche component supplier. Our product will generally be a fraction of a percent of the whole project budget. They will be one of probably hundreds of comments in whatever it is that is being made. Once the product is specked in we have the sale as long as the project goes ahead. These small but vital components won’t be changed or even haggled about. So it is actually a waste of time doggedly hounding all these leads for 6 months. I know this is contrary to most sales wisdom but this is why in b2b you really need to understand your market!
 
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Go to where your customers are.

As @NickGrogan said, if you are so niche you know who you sell to, you know which trade shows they attend, you know their address. Write to them with a glossy brochure. Not everything has to be done online. A huge amount of b2b is still done face to face.

When was the last time you took a client out for lunch to discuss your shiny new nozzle design?
Again one needs to know one's market. Nozzles are a small component and not on anyone radar or interest until they have a specific project they need them for. Very few companies will have a regular nozzle supplier. It what we define as a "hassle product" - relatively low cost, infrequently purchased, but of high complexity i.e. a total hassle to source. But it's only a problem until its a problem. No one goes to a trade show looking for a new nozzle supplier. We have done trade shows for nozzles in the past but they are eye-watering;y expensive and do not really provide a good return. For other areas of our business, we do like trade shows. And as we develop more spray systems engineering products trade shows will be worthwhile I think of we are selling a standard system for £50,000 then a trade show is great cos you only need one or two hits to make it worthwhile .

Where we find face-to-face really effective is when we get our guys onsite to solve a particular problem for a client they will then spot other opportunities whilst in the factory. So, we actively encourage our guys to go on-site visits even if the overall value of the initial project is probably not worth it on paper. So, under conventional wisdom, send an expensive sales engineer out of the office for a whole morning to go and sell £500 of spray nozzles is not worth it. But if that client is a large food factory or other high potential I now our guys will spot other opportunities for our products and will forge a relationship with someone one site so it is worth it, in that way those sales visits actually form part of our marketing strategy.

It's all about understanding your niche really really well in my opinion.
 
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Where we find face-to-face really effective is when we get our guys onsite to solve a particular problem for a client they will then spot other opportunities whilst in the factory. So, we actively encourage our guys to go on-site visits even if the overall value of the initial project is probably not worth it on paper. So, under conventional wisdom, send an expensive sales engineer out of the office for a whole morning to go and sell £500 of spray nozzles is not worth it. But if that client is a large food factory or other high potential I now our guys will spot other opportunities for our products and will forge a relationship with someone one site so it is worth it, in that way those sales visits actually form part of our marketing strategy.

This is basically another way of saying this

You or someone at your company should know all the potential customers for "industrial spray nozzles", you should also know all the designers/engineers who could specify "industrial spray nozzle"

So you create content aimed at these 2 groups of people and then you contact them and tell them about the content. You can send them the content in an email, via post, video, or a link to the content.

If your clients are food factories, you create content for food factories and you send it to food factories.

Waiting for them to google something has worked well for you, because that's what you've been doing. It doesn't make it the best idea.

Most people and companies will have suppliers that they prefer, for whatever reason, so most searches are not going to happen on Google or the internet; they're going to be on company intranets or "Hey, what was that nozzle company you used last year, Bob?"
 
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    With niche, I'd focus on highly targeted content in specific spaces. If PPC hasn't worked for you, stop using it. Not all marketing and advertising is going to work. @NickGrogan makes a valid point, your audience is probably not searching on Google. They're probably on specific websites, not search engines. You can use CRM systems to track communications and follow up on leads as I'm sure you're aware. If you have the right procedures in place, you can track everything you do offline as well. So perhaps focusing on offline is the better route for you.
     
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    With niche, I'd focus on highly targeted content in specific spaces. If PPC hasn't worked for you, stop using it. Not all marketing and advertising is going to work. @NickGrogan makes a valid point, your audience is probably not searching on Google. They're probably on specific websites, not search engines. You can use CRM systems to track communications and follow up on leads as I'm sure you're aware. If you have the right procedures in place, you can track everything you do offline as well. So perhaps focusing on offline is the better route for you.
    Oh yes. Hubspot is great for all that, which is why we spend a small fortune on it each year.

    And yes, I stopped PPC for that business probably 10 years ago except for a couple of products where we struggle to rank in organic for a variety of reasons. About 80% of our traffic is organic search and PPC just isn't appropriate. We do use PPC for some of our other businesses so I'm not anti-Google ads in any way. But this is why it's so vital for marketers to really understand their business. Over the years I have had many PPC consultants swear blind that if just did this that or the other with google ads we would get loads more leads..............it never worked cos they just didn't understand the market! They tend to apply general wisdom that works for most businesses to specific niches. And I'm not blaming them why would they understand? How could they?
     
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    This is basically another way of saying this

    You or someone at your company should know all the potential customers for "industrial spray nozzles", you should also know all the designers/engineers who could specify "industrial spray nozzle"

    So you create content aimed at these 2 groups of people and then you contact them and tell them about the content. You can send them the content in an email, via post, video, or a link to the content.

    If your clients are food factories, you create content for food factories and you send it to food factories.

    Waiting for them to google something has worked well for you, because that's what you've been doing. It doesn't make it the best idea.

    Most people and companies will have suppliers that they prefer, for whatever reason, so most searches are not going to happen on Google or the internet; they're going to be on company intranets or "Hey, what was that nozzle company you used last year, Bob?"
    Oh we do all that as well Nick. But the thing that works best having a great educational content library that answers customers' questions as this is what grabs the google search algorithm. We have built this up over many years and it is by far the best source of leads for us. We do get hits from LinkedIn drip campaigns, email marketing drip campaigns (all highly targeted) normally we use these to push people towards our educational content (video, white papers, articles etc). And that all does get results as well.

    It's all about the content in my opinion.
     
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    Oh we do all that as well Nick. But the thing that works best having a great educational content library that answers customers' questions as this is what grabs the google search algorithm. We have built this up over many years and it is by far the best source of leads for us. We do get hits from LinkedIn drip campaigns, email marketing drip campaigns (all highly targeted) normally we use these to push people towards our educational content (video, white papers, articles etc). And that all does get results as well.

    It's all about the content in my opinion.

    Here's an idea for you. Set up a quick survey basically asking where people find information about spray nozzles, you can include a few other things to pad it out, but that's the key question.

    Do not make it a drop down list - people either choose the top/bottom - make it a large free text box, give them plenty of write, so discourage short answers.

    The next question should be how would they find information if they couldn't find it there.

    Don't ask where they would look, ask how they would find it, and you'll get more relevant answers.

    Then you'll know what they actually do.

    You can also use the survey to create more educational content, so its a double bonus.
     
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    Great points everyone! I completely agree that understanding your niche is crucial. For highly specialized products, like industrial spray nozzles, focusing on tailored content and building a strong educational resource can really make a difference. PPC and broad SEO strategies often fall short in such cases. Instead, creating valuable content that answers specific customer questions and using targeted outreach can be much more effective. Thanks for sharing these insights!
     
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    I worked for a company which sold a B2B application based on a 10,000 dimensional hyperblock creating by a mathematical genius. It was a very mathsy place and I'd regularly have chats internally with developers about obscure aspects of maths (I'm a member of the institute of mathematics).

    I learned a lot and saw the marketing dept do a great job. Because while the thought process was the same as any other solution, the nuances around creating stuff like content were interesting because the market was so specific and needed specialised content.

    So User Generated Content (UGC) is king in digital. But mostly it's bad so most marketers hire video production agencies to create stuff that looks like UGC. However, in this case, something else was in play. And that's mathematicians and engineers don't get into maths or engineering because they want to make money. They do it because they love maths or engineering.

    The answer was therefore content that this type of mathematical decision-maker would enjoy. So prospects were pretty easy to identify and then the next bit is to create maths content they love. Not content saying 'buy my hyperblock' because no-one wants to be sold to. But stuff they love to learn about. The whole reason they got into maths.

    And I've seen the same in engineering. My stepson's in his second year studying engineering and he loves watching YT vids on cool, engineering stuff. The strange thing is that so do senior engineers who buy stuff. So if you're targeting engineers, why not a YT channel containing all of that? A channel showing loads of fun, engineering stuff you can send out (naturally somewhat related to your product).

    Also, the king of content which gets more engagement than anything else is User Generated Content (UGC). However, big, successful companies create content that looks exactly like UGC. We do it for them! Because no-one wants to spend their time trawling and scraping UGC which is often mediocre. However, creating their own allows them a lot more control, the ability to plan and most importantly the ability to get amazing traction.

    Finally, the funnel works the same way as B2C. So video at the top because it's most effective, then in the middle a mix but a lot of the top of the funnel stuff rehashed and mashed together. Then bottom of the funnel is only 5% - 10% video to close.

    The one difference is for higher value B2B solutions. So at the bottom of the funnel, prospects want to hear really indepth testimonials. If they're dropping a ton of money on your product / solution, they want to know all the detail of what your solution's like to deal with, how your customer service is etc... They want to hear from your customers but that really indepth stuff doesn't really fly on digital because that type of indepth case study is best held on your website or YT channel and sent out to customers during the sales process.

    Tldr; Wrote an essay, sorry! But that's loosely my take on specialised niches. Hope it's useful / interesting / not too rambly...
     
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    I would be interested on hearing people's views on niche B2B digital marketing and how to do it well.

    Many of the standard rules you will see in the textbooks and digital marketing courses simply don't work very well for low-volume B2B marketing. For example, all the general wisdom about PPC search is all very well and good when you have plenty of people searching for your product each month on google. You segment your market, work out their needs, work out how each of these segments might search in google and then design your ads and landing pages around that. But none of this really works when you only have a few hundred people searching for your product each month. You might get viable search volume for your generic terms but once you start segmenting it down you just don't get enough volumes and hence all those plans for beautifully aligned and linked landing pages go out the window.

    This was a lesson I learned many years ago when trying to apply all my fine theoretical marketing knowledge to our industrial spray nozzle business. It does not get much more niche than industrial spray nozzles. I tried to do all the Google ads stuff and basically could only really get enough search volumes for generic search terms. Almost all the PPC consultants and "experts" I spoke to gave me the same standard playbook of what should be done, and none of it worked, simply because you can't get enough search volume to run segmented campaigns. I rapidly concluded that most of the so-called experts really didn't understand B2B niche marketing that well. I'm sure there are good companies out there but I never found any that really understood the subtleties of this area.

    For me, the most fundamental thing about B2B niche marketing is that you really have to understand your business and customers. This is why most digital marketing agencies fail because in order to understand something as obscure as the "industrial spray nozzle market" would take weeks or months of research and is probably beyond the capabilities of most marketing people. It takes even the qualified engineers we employ as salespeople at least a year before they are of any use to me, so what hope would a non-engineer digital marketing expert have of understanding anything about my business?

    All this is different for B2C because most B2C products, by definition, are fairly easy for marketers to understand. There will probably be some familiarity with the product and you won't need a degree in engineering or other specialist knowledge to understand the benefits of the product. So, it is a relatively simple task for a marketer to understand something like a clothing range, or a toy, some new garden tool or whatever other B2C product. We can all get a reasonable understanding of these things by looking at competitor offerings and conducting customer surveys and the like. It's not that complicated, the complexity actually comes later when working out how the hell you compete for clicks with well-established players that can outspend you 10:1. And that is when the standard PPC theory comes into play and you set about carving out your niche and choosing your battleground to suit your strengths. But not much of that applies to B2B niche products.

    My solution to that problem was basically to forget about PPC and focus on good technical content to drive long-tail SEO. There are probably only a handful of people searching each month for "air atomizing nozzles for food applications" but each one of those is a really good prospect punter and if we appear page 1 top slot with our page on that exact topic then we will get that call. It might only be 1 or 2 calls a month but that's probably £2,000 of high-margin business and then you repeat that for the other 100 or so niches and hey presto now you have a nice marketing machine. You can't do this with PPC because each individual specific term will not have enough volume to link to a specific landing page on that topic. But you can, over time, do it with good content because the good news is that there ain't much competition and it's not that hard to dominate google for something like "air atomizing spray nozzle". This is how we dominated google for our niche and how we out-compete much larger organisations with bigger marketing budgets.

    Another massive problem for B2B marketing in general is actually tracking success. With B2C it's relatively straightforward. With the right tracking software, you can see where the orders came from and which adds generate the initial inquiry. With B2B the buying cycle is so long and complex that this becomes really tricky! For example, a spray nozzle enquiry might start with a design engineer who is looking to solve a particular spray problem, they will google up spray nozzles, end up on our site, give us a call, we then do our consultancy work and get the nozzle specified into whatever he is building and the part number is put in the drawing. Then 6 months later the project goes ahead and a completely different company (either the end client or the purchasing company) comes to us with a request for 6 of our part number xxxxxxx. We take the order of course but the sale actually occurred 6 months ago when we spoke to the design engineer, how he found us is the important thing from a marketing perspective. But the conversation 6 months ago might not even be linked to the one now with the company that is buying in our CRM! I love Hubspot and it's probably the best way to try and track all of this, but even a cool program like HubSpot struggles with these disjointed sales processes.

    Anyway - are there any fellow travelers here marketing niche B2B products? Do the challenges above resonate? Or what other challenges have you found?
    Focus on the problem. People might not know the name of the component or that it might address their problem. Or is that approach not an option for you because people will be looking for this to add to existing kit?
     
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