Anyone writing a book?

It's been some time since I was last on here. :(

Well There's been some changes to my working life. I am still working full-time as a Private Investigator.

I am also now in the process of writing a novel and have created a publishing company to publish it.

The novel is called "The Smoke in Death's Eye" and the publishing company is called Indie Authors Press

That's it, just a note to let everyone know what I'm up to.
 

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    We went to the Hay on why festival for a few days this year and I can defently see the attraction of writing a book over running a business.
    In fact most authors are among some of the most intresting people you can meet so good luck with your book
     
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    I'm a published author. With an advance and everything.

    I'm still running businesses though!

    I got something like 27p a copy sold.

    It's all down to the marketing that your publisher does....and they do not like you doing it yourself.
     
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    I have started a few books over the years, never got further than 3 chapters in any of them.

    Titles:

    Coma

    The Devil's Plan

    and

    Sex in the 21st Century

    It's darn hard maintaining a flow that is so poetic it takes the reader from start to finish without noticing the passage of time.
     
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    Interesting links. I looked at all three. I liked the little mention about Google putting its advertising on the moon. Details like that help to draw the reader in.

    I didn't notice any typos or spelling errors either, which bodes well for your publishing company. Good luck with it.
     
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    We're an independent publisher, and I can say:

    The publishing industry in general sees marketing as the author's job, because the author is the best person to inspire people to read the book. We support authors in marketing their books, mainly business books, because our aim is to help you grwo your business, not just to sell books.

    As for royalites, 27p a copy is a bit mean! We normally aim for 15% to 25% of cover price, but that can depend on print costs. One of our authors gets £3 or £4 per copy sold, but that does depend also on the topic, marketing potential and so on.

    There's lots of info on our website, www.cgwpublishing.com if you want to find out more.
     
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    We're an independent publisher, and I can say:

    The publishing industry in general sees marketing as the author's job, because the author is the best person to inspire people to read the book.

    That's daft and lazy of those publishers because authors are not neccessarily marketers and are likely in the main to know ZERO about marketing. The best people to market anything are people who know about marketing. If you as a publisher believe in the product you should organise that side of things otherwise you're just relying on the author to sell the books for you and who's to say the book isn't rubbish?
     
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    Keep at it.

    I created a book shortly after my son was born and used Lulu to print. They also automatically add it into Amazon, etc free of charge. You can set up profit margin, etc. They also now allow you to publish in Kindle, ePub formats for electronic book readers.

    This is my listing in amazon http://www.amazon.co.uk/Noahs-Black...7023/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1314042632&sr=8-4 just so you can see what can be achieved.

    Simon
     
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    If you are rejected by publishers on a traditional contract then there are other options. It has never been easier or cheaper to get a book published, modern POD 'print on demand' publishers just print copies as and when orders are recieved.

    The downside is that even if they are available through Amazon etc. really unless they have been properly marketed and reviewed they just get lost in a sea of millions of other books. The 'average' sales figures of a POD book is about 200 copies, some selling just a few copies and a lot of authors have grossly unrealistic expectations about sales figures and royalties. A lot of these self published books look quite amateurish too.

    Some niche interest POD books have been quite successful, above a certain break point it is more economic to do a print run in advance.

    Good luck anyway, there is a book in everyone.
     
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    That's daft and lazy of those publishers because authors are not neccessarily marketers and are likely in the main to know ZERO about marketing.

    That's not the case unfortunately. As a publisher, we know how to market a book but the author is, and always will be, the expert in their story, their field of knowledge etc. The publisher cannot do book signings. The publisher cannot give interviews. The publisher cannot talk to readers and fans on a social network. We can set all of those things up, but the author is the person who embodies the book, and the two cannot be separated.

    Let's take an author such as J K Rowling. Bloomsbury set up events, but no-one thinks of the publisher when they think of a Harry Potter book.

    What about Richard Branson, Duncan Bannatyne and other TV entrepreneurs? Who publishes their books? The publisher is pretty much invisible. You know their names, you recognise their faces, but I bet you can't say who published their books.

    We provide the publishing and marketing framework, but the author has to step in and do their bit, because for the great majority of authors, their name alone does not sell the book, they have to get out there and build some kind of network or following. A business author has to leverage their LinkedIn or Facebook network, they have to go to their clients. We will support them in that. One of our authors regularly supplies articles on his areas of expertise into business magazines and supplies guest posts to various blogs. Who do you think writes those? I do. But it's his name and picture on there. No potential reader cares who published his book.
     
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    That's not the case unfortunately. As a publisher, we know how to market a book but the author is, and always will be, the expert in their story, their field of knowledge etc. The publisher cannot do book signings. The publisher cannot give interviews. The publisher cannot talk to readers and fans on a social network. We can set all of those things up, but the author is the person who embodies the book, and the two cannot be separated.

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    None of the people mentioned are the type of people who are replying on this thread, they won't be doing book signings anytime soon because no one knows who the hell they are.

    If a book is good the publisher will take it and market it, saying marketing is best taken care of by the author is a nonsense and nothing more than a ruse by publishers to get 'unknown' people with possibly unmarketable material to work their nuts off and see if they can make some sales. I know because I've been there.

    I was offered a hard back book deal (not self publishing) based on a couple of eBooks and articles I'd written and I am sure the only reason they accepted my book was because they felt I had enough connections to sell a significant amount of books...myself. One of their criteria for accepting books related to how well known you were on the Internet etc and at the time I had a good following as a relationship columnist.

    I didn't accept their offer in the end because I didn't want to spend 24hrs a day marketing the book myself.

    I really don't have much time for publishers who will sell 'anything' because they think the author can sell it. I'd prefer a thousand rejections and an acceptance from someone who I knew only accepted quality material and took care of marketing themselves as a result. There has to be a bench mark of quality else what is the point.

    Even I don't think the material I wrote at that time was 'book ready' it was afterall all content I'd written for the Internet, a compilation of articles, blog posts and so on. Funny material but definately not book ready.
     
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    Meanwhile...all the above aside, when I get around it I have a funny little story about the cycle of life (featuring a fly called Herbetta) which I have illustrated. I will (when I get around it and if I can figure how it's done )most likely publish it using Lulu. If I am going to have to do the marketing myself I see no point at all in seeking the services of a 'publisher'. May as well cut out the middle man.
     
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    Peter cook had a standard response to anyone who told him they were writing a book; it was 'really? neither am I'

    still makes me chuckly

    I've completed the first draft of my book - a small guide on starting a business. I read it through several times and, if I say so myself, it really is astonishingly boring.

    Second draft has created a few characters in different businesses which gives a bit more life. 'I am debating whether to incorporate my £100 business blog as well?
     
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    Peter cook had a standard response to anyone who told him they were writing a book; it was 'really? neither am I'

    still makes me chuckly

    I've completed the first draft of my book - a small guide on starting a business. I read it through several times and, if I say so myself, it really is astonishingly boring.

    Second draft has created a few characters in different businesses which gives a bit more life. 'I am debating whether to incorporate my £100 business blog as well?

    What is your £100 business blog and what is USP re the business book? :)

    How about a few funny anecdotes about 'waht NOt to do' when starting a business instead?

    In fact...I think I will put this idea to some cartoonist pals of mine, see if we can come up with some gags ! ;)
     
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    There's certainly a lot of talk in the media about pressure on publishers from the likes of ebooks and Amazon. However the 'middle man' isn't the publisher, the middle man is the distribution network that takes up to 60% of the cover price.

    Coincidentally, I wrote something about this exact thing yesterday...

    http://cgwpublishing.blogspot.com/2011/08/cutting-out-middle-man.html
     
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    There's certainly a lot of talk in the media about pressure on publishers from the likes of ebooks and Amazon. However the 'middle man' isn't the publisher, the middle man is the distribution network that takes up to 60% of the cover price.

    Coincidentally, I wrote something about this exact thing yesterday...

    http://cgwpublishing.blogspot.com/2011/08/cutting-out-middle-man.html

    How discerning on you when you take on a new client? Is your decision based purely on the quality of the written word and it's relevance to todays world?

    And do you enquire what size their network is as part of your decision process?

    Which is more important?
     
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    We publish business non-fiction, mainly, and that is always a niche market. Very few business books sell in large numbers, because not all readers are 'business people' with a need to develop their careers, presentation skills, leadership skills etc.

    Therefore, for most business authors, the way they actually make a living from their book is as a marketing asset for their business. People who run service businesses in particular have a difficult time demonstrating value, and a book is a good way to capture intellectual property. There are many ways that a book adds value to a service business.

    So our criteria is more like, "Can this book add value to the author's business?"

    We look at what the author's business is, what they're doing to market that, where a book would support them, how many they are likely to sell and so on. We turn away books that are badly written, and we do look at what else is in the market. We also look at the author's credibility in their field of expertise.

    Our selection process is similar to that of a traditional publisher, but we look at the author's business as a whole, not just their book.

    Size of network is not that relevant, actually. We did some research into social media and found that marketing 'experts' advocate the use of things like Twitter, but in reality their use of such tools is misleading at best:

    http://cgwpublishing.blogspot.com/2010/12/cgw-publishing-and-absem-announce-fry.html

    In terms of a personal network, real people you know, they are probably not the potential target market, so they're not that valuable either. Where they are useful is in building and communicating the author's credibility, but that involves a bit of engagement on their part, which they aren't always willing to give.

    We have one author who spends a significant amount of time networking, but a lot of the people he knows just want something for nothing, and when push comes to shove, they shy away from doing anything tangible to help promote the book. He thinks it's great that he knows so many people, but he can't see how they're feeding off his success, so even a personal network isn't necessarily useful.

    However, the biggest jump in his book sales has come about when he delivers a lecture to a special interest group. One of the things that we help him with is publicising what he's doing, which he had never done before, and recognising the value in it. When he delivers a 'free' talk, the deal is that the organisation publicises it and his book and sends an email to all their members with a discount code. That's just one example, of course. The main benefit for him is that the book builds his credibility which gains him more work. We turned his book content into a lecture, and when he delivered it a media festival, several people in the audience contacted him to invite him to seven other festivals to deliver the same lecture.

    This is why the author is so vital in marketing the book, because the book is a mechanism for getting the author's ideas to the reader. Therefore the reader isn't interested in the book itself, they're interested in connecting with the author's expertise, or creativity, or sense of humour or whatever the book is about, and the author's personal credibility is therefore key.

    This is why the big publishers see ebooks as a threat, because once we free ourselves of the pleasure of holding a chunk of paper, what we really want is to connect with the author's mind, and the delivery mechanism will evolve to support the way that people live and work.

    The size of a network does not necessarily denote credibility. I would say that our decision process involves something like this:

    Is the author credible in their chosen subject?
    Is their book well written? Is it accessible? Does it convey the right expertise to the right people?
    Is the author committed to developing their business, and is there the right business environment for the book to make an impact on their business success?
    Is the author looking for a partner relationship that allows us to add value, or do they see the publisher as the dogsbody who puts their work on the shelf?
     
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    Anyone know what the deal is with getting an illustrator? I thought about doing a childrens book but a lot of the success is down to the illustrations too. Do authors and ilustrators usually strike a % deal or paid per job? If you had success with one you'd want the same illustrator going forward.
    A lot of them seem to work together on everything.

    Also where do you go about finding an illustrator?
     
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    Anyone know what the deal is with getting an illustrator? I thought about doing a childrens book but a lot of the success is down to the illustrations too. Do authors and ilustrators usually strike a % deal or paid per job? If you had success with one you'd want the same illustrator going forward.
    A lot of them seem to work together on everything.

    Also where do you go about finding an illustrator?

    I illustrate childrens stories

    see here:
    http://www.leahg-artist.com/p/illustration-service.html

    http://searchwarp.com/swa587834-Her...ragic-Tale-For-Small-Children-Short-Story.htm
     
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    Stender: Try elance.com, you can post a job for free and see what responses you get, have a look at work samples etc. You're not obliged to choose any bidders if there's nothing you like or the cost is too high.

    I would say pay for the job would be better, especially through something like elance. % royalty is something you would have to work out at publishing time, and given the cost of colour printing, you won't have a lot of profit to play with.

    Ultimately, the more you want a particular illustrator, the harder you would expect them to bargain. However, from their point of view, if the book doesn't sell then they're better off with an up-front payment, so my advice is to play down the sales potential....

    Most important, you need them to transfer any copyright to you, exclusively. That means they can't reuse the work elsewhere.

    However illustrators such as Julia Donaldson's... Axel S....something? And was it Quentin Blake or Ronald Searle? Of course, their names are as big as the authors'. You probably won't find them on elance!! But if you get bids and look at samples, you'll find something that works for you.

    There are alternatives to elance; people per hour, freelancers.net, but I would not recommend them.

    http://www.elance.com/s/edit/cgwriting/
     
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    or you can visit my cartoonist and illustrators forum, lots of talent there, just post in the 'work offers' section, it's free to do so

    http://www.cartoonists-forum.com

    Some top names on this forum, lots of enthusiastic talented newbies too.

    I've been asked a couple of times to illustrate books for people and it was always a case of them offering me a % when the book sells. Thus to date there is only one author I am happy to do that for because in his case he has already established a good name for himself and his books have an audience. But the rest I said no to, because like CGW said, how do I know they will ever sell anything?

    Re the fee, I know you will be able to get a good price if you shop around. The freelancer sites are all good, same people on all of them so no reason to prefer one over another. I know many artists on freelancer.com, they do well on that site, no problems and so on.
     
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