Anyone used People per hour?
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i'm a supplier. i've applied for dozens of projects and not won a single one. Why?
because there'll be someone out there who's cheaper or who can show the client some work that is identical to what they think they need.
or, it could be that i'm crap!
and some of the prices they're willing to pay are a joke....even in these hard times.
before you go any further, have a look at 99designs.com (similar, but you do the work on spec.....and it's very transparent).
because there'll be someone out there who's cheaper or who can show the client some work that is identical to what they think they need.
or, it could be that i'm crap!
and some of the prices they're willing to pay are a joke....even in these hard times.
before you go any further, have a look at 99designs.com (similar, but you do the work on spec.....and it's very transparent).
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PeoplePerHour is a waste of time.
They shove all unrelated jobs into one big list, which is impossible to search in any meaningful manner.
I've applied for loads of jobs on there, giving a coherent description of what I'm capable of doing. No response whatsoever.
There is no sane way of managing which jobs you have applied for, without the same one popping up over and over again on their unhelpful searching/listing scheme.
The jobs on offer seem to go for a pittance.
The owners of jobs/projects never seem to answer freelancers' questions in a meaningful or timely way.
Avoid this place like _
Richard [in SG2]
They shove all unrelated jobs into one big list, which is impossible to search in any meaningful manner.
I've applied for loads of jobs on there, giving a coherent description of what I'm capable of doing. No response whatsoever.
There is no sane way of managing which jobs you have applied for, without the same one popping up over and over again on their unhelpful searching/listing scheme.
The jobs on offer seem to go for a pittance.
The owners of jobs/projects never seem to answer freelancers' questions in a meaningful or timely way.
Avoid this place like _
Richard [in SG2]
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Hi, this is Nicole from vWorker (formerly known as Rentacoder).
A few things you might find interesting about PeoplePerHour:
PeoplePerHour charges its workers a 20% fee + 1.9%-3.5% for payment method. vWorker charges a maximum of 6.5%-15%. In addition, PeoplePerHour limits workers to 10 bids/month unless they pay a monthly fee of £7.95 (for 40 bids) or £14.95 (for 80 bids).
At PeoplePerHour, the worker is responsible for making sure an employer's escrow account is pre-funded, which can result in not getting paid for work. vWorker guarantees payment with no qualifications.
At PeoplePerHour, an employer can unfairly delay arbitration (and tie up funds) for up to 30 days (15 days due + 15 day grace period). On vWorker you can start an arbitration immediately.
In addition, PeoplePerHour doesn't publish its arbitration details.
A few things you might find interesting about PeoplePerHour:
PeoplePerHour charges its workers a 20% fee + 1.9%-3.5% for payment method. vWorker charges a maximum of 6.5%-15%. In addition, PeoplePerHour limits workers to 10 bids/month unless they pay a monthly fee of £7.95 (for 40 bids) or £14.95 (for 80 bids).
At PeoplePerHour, the worker is responsible for making sure an employer's escrow account is pre-funded, which can result in not getting paid for work. vWorker guarantees payment with no qualifications.
At PeoplePerHour, an employer can unfairly delay arbitration (and tie up funds) for up to 30 days (15 days due + 15 day grace period). On vWorker you can start an arbitration immediately.
In addition, PeoplePerHour doesn't publish its arbitration details.
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Hi everyone and thank you for your comments, both positive and not so positive! I welcome all your feedback, which helps us to continue developing and improving upon our site, so please do keep them coming.
I was a little concerned about some of the comments, which were inaccurate, so I'd like to put the record straight if I may, and let you know what we've done recently to try and make life easier (and more profitable!) for PPH freelancers and buyers.
Terms & Conditions
Freelancers can sign up as:
Standard members - free of charge, 10 free bids per month, 10% commission charged on payment of invoice
Gold members - £7.95 per month, 40 bids, 5.5% commission charged on payment of invoice
Platinum members - £14.95 per month, 80 bids, 4.5% commission charged on payment of invoice
Credit terms issued on client invoices are between 7 and 15 days. We have changed our invoice processing day to Tuesday, so in many cases, if an invoice is paid on the Monday, funds could be in your bank by the end of the week.
Other developments
In an attempt to block excessively low bids, buyers are now asked to give a minimum and maximum budget range, with freelancers not permitted to enter a bid less than 80% below the minimum figure given
We have removed the £40 minimum bid level for hourly-based jobs
A buyers' history is now given when their project is posted, including number of jobs posted, awarded and cancelled
Freelancers who persist in trying to make a bid in the questions section have their accounts deactivated
Proposals between the buyer and freelancer are now kept private
We are currently:
Trying to improve the process whereby we receive feedback if a buyer cancels a project or simply doesn't accept any bids
Working on a way of notifying bidders if they have been unsuccessful
What I would like to emphasis is that as a freelancer or a bidder, when a job is accepted through PPH, you are then obliged to bill all work done between the 2 parties through the site for 12 months, unless the client agrees to pay an opt-out fee. Those who don't adhere to the PPH terms and conditions unfortunately have their accounts suspended.
We recently carried out some research on the site, entitled "PPH Economy" to find out who our top freelancers are. Rather than being people who consistently won work because they offered low prices, the actual picture was rather the opposite:
A mere 6.8% of bids are awarded to the lowest bidder whilst 91.2% of bids are awarded to the mid-range bidders
87.8% of awarded bidders are 5* freelancers
More than 80% of winning bidders are from the UK
80% of our clients are also in the U.K
I think that was all I wanted to say (phew! Pauses for deep breath). Give PPH a go - many people have used it as a springboard for a new career, source a pool of brilliant suppliers (but make sure you're offering a sensible budget and research portfolios and client feedback) or to top up their regular client work. We have a feedback forum on the site to keep you up to date with what we're doing and to let you know we're listening. We're not perfect - but unlike many other sites, we ARE trying and will continue to listen to you and implement changes where we can.
Regards
Xenios
PeoplePerHour
I was a little concerned about some of the comments, which were inaccurate, so I'd like to put the record straight if I may, and let you know what we've done recently to try and make life easier (and more profitable!) for PPH freelancers and buyers.
Terms & Conditions
Freelancers can sign up as:
Standard members - free of charge, 10 free bids per month, 10% commission charged on payment of invoice
Gold members - £7.95 per month, 40 bids, 5.5% commission charged on payment of invoice
Platinum members - £14.95 per month, 80 bids, 4.5% commission charged on payment of invoice
Credit terms issued on client invoices are between 7 and 15 days. We have changed our invoice processing day to Tuesday, so in many cases, if an invoice is paid on the Monday, funds could be in your bank by the end of the week.
Other developments
In an attempt to block excessively low bids, buyers are now asked to give a minimum and maximum budget range, with freelancers not permitted to enter a bid less than 80% below the minimum figure given
We have removed the £40 minimum bid level for hourly-based jobs
A buyers' history is now given when their project is posted, including number of jobs posted, awarded and cancelled
Freelancers who persist in trying to make a bid in the questions section have their accounts deactivated
Proposals between the buyer and freelancer are now kept private
We are currently:
Trying to improve the process whereby we receive feedback if a buyer cancels a project or simply doesn't accept any bids
Working on a way of notifying bidders if they have been unsuccessful
What I would like to emphasis is that as a freelancer or a bidder, when a job is accepted through PPH, you are then obliged to bill all work done between the 2 parties through the site for 12 months, unless the client agrees to pay an opt-out fee. Those who don't adhere to the PPH terms and conditions unfortunately have their accounts suspended.
We recently carried out some research on the site, entitled "PPH Economy" to find out who our top freelancers are. Rather than being people who consistently won work because they offered low prices, the actual picture was rather the opposite:
A mere 6.8% of bids are awarded to the lowest bidder whilst 91.2% of bids are awarded to the mid-range bidders
87.8% of awarded bidders are 5* freelancers
More than 80% of winning bidders are from the UK
80% of our clients are also in the U.K
I think that was all I wanted to say (phew! Pauses for deep breath). Give PPH a go - many people have used it as a springboard for a new career, source a pool of brilliant suppliers (but make sure you're offering a sensible budget and research portfolios and client feedback) or to top up their regular client work. We have a feedback forum on the site to keep you up to date with what we're doing and to let you know we're listening. We're not perfect - but unlike many other sites, we ARE trying and will continue to listen to you and implement changes where we can.
Regards
Xenios
PeoplePerHour
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DaveSUK
I used it once, the work the developer undertook as completed on budget and on time. The price I got from People Per Hour users was around 50% cheaper than when I contacted businesses directly.
The only problem I have with this site is the sheer amount of emails they send you, Even when you change the setting in you account the emails will start again after a few days.
The only problem I have with this site is the sheer amount of emails they send you, Even when you change the setting in you account the emails will start again after a few days.
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When I googled PPH on my phone to go to the site without having to type the url, I saw this thread and felt compelled to write.
It's been fascinating reading the first posts way back in 2007 to the most recent - and I think a lot of the posts with extreme negativity skew the reality of PPH.
I'll explain my situation...
I left work in April, looking to go self employed as a technical writer and preparing myself for a loooong struggle to build myself up on work; but I won fairly small job on PPH that was not sustainable as a replacement to my well-paid full time job, yet was enough to push me out the door as it was going to last up to September.
I did experience the pressure to keep my rate unreasonably low to win the bid.
I had come and gone from PPH several times before this, and was sceptical, but after this first job, it gave me a bit of confidence - but realised how harshly competitive it is. That is the reality you have to face, but its going to be anywhere you go for jobs...its just that in PPH the competitiveness is more visible.
Since then, within the space of 3 months, all my contracts have come through PPH or by referral from a PPH client to someone external - but its the quality of clients that have blown me away.
Now, I'm not some high-flier with dozens of years of experience - but I did 3 things which made me meet PPH competitiveness halfway:
1. never short sell myself, and you find clients respect it more if they value quality; and if they dont, then its not worth working for them, nor asking for a market fee if they aren't looking for the quality
2. I am prepared to bring my fee lower if the job reflects it, and if I dont have much experience in that given task...once you get that first job in any one type of work, it acts as a catalyst for future work because you have the experience. You have to be a bit humble and realistic about things.
3. If I bid higher than the budget range, I explain why - not just be rude and say its not reasonable their budget range
As a result, last week I won a bid demanding higher than their budget range, for a job over 30 people applied for...and it turned out to be a massive cross-atlantic (UK-US) company.
So it's not full of shoddy business...nor is it totally restricted by budget range...your experience will count for a lot if you go for quality work, and if you dont have the experience, PPH is probably the best place to get it at a lower fee, yet all the while build up a portfolio.
As a result, I've acquired 4 major clients out of it - can't say who, but I'm still a bit surprised at the calibre of clients available and I'm actually connecting with through PPH.
Sure, their cut is ridiculous, and giving away 10 percent for free membership is little different to paying subscription for marginally less cut.
There are going to be jobs you feel you should have won yet didnt, but thats life - it ain't PPHs fault.
I've got no desire to promote PPH, but it has rocketed my chosen career path at quite a young age in the past 3-4 months alone, so I feel I ought to do right by it.
It's probably the best freelance site in terms of credible and sustainable work and quality of clients, so I guess if you have a bad time with it, it might be either bad luck, or only using it one time and having a bad first impression, or your own situation needs to be scrutinized (approach, experience, level of confidence in your bids, the jobs you apply for etc).
Oh - I also hired out of PPH...really good for low price...nobody is forcing anyone to take work at low amounts...its everyone's own prerogative.
It's been fascinating reading the first posts way back in 2007 to the most recent - and I think a lot of the posts with extreme negativity skew the reality of PPH.
I'll explain my situation...
I left work in April, looking to go self employed as a technical writer and preparing myself for a loooong struggle to build myself up on work; but I won fairly small job on PPH that was not sustainable as a replacement to my well-paid full time job, yet was enough to push me out the door as it was going to last up to September.
I did experience the pressure to keep my rate unreasonably low to win the bid.
I had come and gone from PPH several times before this, and was sceptical, but after this first job, it gave me a bit of confidence - but realised how harshly competitive it is. That is the reality you have to face, but its going to be anywhere you go for jobs...its just that in PPH the competitiveness is more visible.
Since then, within the space of 3 months, all my contracts have come through PPH or by referral from a PPH client to someone external - but its the quality of clients that have blown me away.
Now, I'm not some high-flier with dozens of years of experience - but I did 3 things which made me meet PPH competitiveness halfway:
1. never short sell myself, and you find clients respect it more if they value quality; and if they dont, then its not worth working for them, nor asking for a market fee if they aren't looking for the quality
2. I am prepared to bring my fee lower if the job reflects it, and if I dont have much experience in that given task...once you get that first job in any one type of work, it acts as a catalyst for future work because you have the experience. You have to be a bit humble and realistic about things.
3. If I bid higher than the budget range, I explain why - not just be rude and say its not reasonable their budget range
As a result, last week I won a bid demanding higher than their budget range, for a job over 30 people applied for...and it turned out to be a massive cross-atlantic (UK-US) company.
So it's not full of shoddy business...nor is it totally restricted by budget range...your experience will count for a lot if you go for quality work, and if you dont have the experience, PPH is probably the best place to get it at a lower fee, yet all the while build up a portfolio.
As a result, I've acquired 4 major clients out of it - can't say who, but I'm still a bit surprised at the calibre of clients available and I'm actually connecting with through PPH.
Sure, their cut is ridiculous, and giving away 10 percent for free membership is little different to paying subscription for marginally less cut.
There are going to be jobs you feel you should have won yet didnt, but thats life - it ain't PPHs fault.
I've got no desire to promote PPH, but it has rocketed my chosen career path at quite a young age in the past 3-4 months alone, so I feel I ought to do right by it.
It's probably the best freelance site in terms of credible and sustainable work and quality of clients, so I guess if you have a bad time with it, it might be either bad luck, or only using it one time and having a bad first impression, or your own situation needs to be scrutinized (approach, experience, level of confidence in your bids, the jobs you apply for etc).
Oh - I also hired out of PPH...really good for low price...nobody is forcing anyone to take work at low amounts...its everyone's own prerogative.
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oh - and to add to my post (which isnt up yet as I'm still in pre-mod) - I havent been getting my work since that first one for pittance...in fact two of them I'm getting paid more than I could have dreamed of at this stage of my career...and one of them at any stage of my career for that matter! I'm also very picky with my work (only technical based writing, and with a degree of quality to the work), and with only 10 bids per month on the free account, clearly I'm not applying right left and centre.
Some of it is luck, even where I don't subscribe to 'you make your own luck'...but hey, all I'm trying to say is that I'm proof PPH isn't a waste of time...I don't intend to go back to employment, and PPH has a lot to do with that given I might have been struggling as I expected to be at this stage...
Some of it is luck, even where I don't subscribe to 'you make your own luck'...but hey, all I'm trying to say is that I'm proof PPH isn't a waste of time...I don't intend to go back to employment, and PPH has a lot to do with that given I might have been struggling as I expected to be at this stage...
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Just out of curiosity, how would you say these problems can be addresses?
I'm a freelancer my-self, and have been thinking very hard on whether or not to join PeoplePerHour. But from what I have read in this thread, I am in two minds.
To prevent these problems, is there anything PeoplePerHour, or we as freelancers can do?
Please let me know your thoughts.
I'm a freelancer my-self, and have been thinking very hard on whether or not to join PeoplePerHour. But from what I have read in this thread, I am in two minds.
To prevent these problems, is there anything PeoplePerHour, or we as freelancers can do?
Please let me know your thoughts.
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I tried PPH a couple of weeks ago for an urgent project - got a lot of Indian companies, one of which claimed to be a guy called Ian who lived near Kings Cross - turned out he was managing a team of outsourcers in India (after messing me about for 2 days) - People Per Hour apparently do not vet the freelancers in any way shape or form, eventually when I found the right guy for the right price (I wasn't being cheap) he took the job, I paid PPH into Escrow then waited for the result, freelancer then suddenly found he had too much work on and wanted to delay the (urgent) project by 2 weeks! eventually he stopped communicating all together and I had to get PPH to intervene (which was hard enough just to find a phone number to call) - I would advise against using this company, I certainly wont be using them again.
I eventually found a legitimate freelancer by posting the the job at freelancers.net (uk based) - still got loads of Indian companies trying to get in on the job for peanuts but there were a few genuine gems in there too - fingers crossed, my guy seems to be totally what I needed.
Ben
I eventually found a legitimate freelancer by posting the the job at freelancers.net (uk based) - still got loads of Indian companies trying to get in on the job for peanuts but there were a few genuine gems in there too - fingers crossed, my guy seems to be totally what I needed.
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Hi, haven't read all the posts. I posted something on there. Got a few spam mails, people wanting me to buy lists etc rather than do the job, but it's free so you expect that. In amongst all that I have received a bid from a legitimate person who I met today and will hopefully be doing business with.
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4ce_aamedia
I think sites like people per hour are good but they shouldn't be your core way of marketing yourself. When it comes to price there will always be someone cheaper. I found that a customers purchasing decision is dictated by their circumstances, and what they want from a project rather than price. If they have limited funds, or they don't see the the difference between a designer in Delhi and a designer in London then they will inevitably go for the cheapest price.
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raptor
well i have posted a job on there
as we now need help to upgrade our website goactivemobility .codotuk
from v 7 to v8 or 9 of aspdotnetstorefront
we are getting bids from £100 to £1000
obviously i wouldnt go too the lowest bid.
but also i have nt got loads of money so would consider somewhere in the middle
as we now need help to upgrade our website goactivemobility .codotuk
from v 7 to v8 or 9 of aspdotnetstorefront
we are getting bids from £100 to £1000
obviously i wouldnt go too the lowest bid.
but also i have nt got loads of money so would consider somewhere in the middle
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Hello,
I used pph and its a good system , I am registered since 8 weeks and had a few jobs and 1 is ongoing, one experience I had it takes sometime to receive the money from pph, (security reason) which I think its a shame as the Client is paying my invoice straight away and then PPH is sitting on that, PPH replies quick to your queries, helpful. However you get the money in the end and its worthwhile to register on it. For bidding on jobs there are some cowboys around too! (job offers) Good Luck
I used pph and its a good system , I am registered since 8 weeks and had a few jobs and 1 is ongoing, one experience I had it takes sometime to receive the money from pph, (security reason) which I think its a shame as the Client is paying my invoice straight away and then PPH is sitting on that, PPH replies quick to your queries, helpful. However you get the money in the end and its worthwhile to register on it. For bidding on jobs there are some cowboys around too! (job offers) Good Luck
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I'm part of the team behind OfficeCavalry.com and when the site is released next month we're aiming for it to be much more quality centric, rewarding freelancers for high quality work by giving them loyalty points and putting them higher up in search results amongst other things. This should discourage the 'cheap and low quality' merchants you usually get on these sites. If you're interested you can pre-register to be a beta tester when we launch next month.
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Existing sites already let customers rate the freelancers, and let you search for people with minimum experience/rating. How are you going to recognise high quality anyway unless you have people testing would-be suppliers, reviewing their work, etc?
Happy to be on the beta if there's a chance of work (PM me if you want), and I am all for a system that focuses on quality rather than cost, but I don't know a good way to implement that and would be suspicious anyone else does either
Happy to be on the beta if there's a chance of work (PM me if you want), and I am all for a system that focuses on quality rather than cost, but I don't know a good way to implement that and would be suspicious anyone else does either
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I'll sign up if you can combat a common issue I have found across multiple sites of this type:
A freelancer can bid and be accepted for a job but THEN decides they are too busy, cant be bothered, grandma's ill, friend burnt his house down (yes I've had that one) etc.
There is no way to warn other users that the freelancer is a time-waster. i.e. give Negative feedback once the job is assigned and accepted - I'd say that public feedback on projects (not just the ones that completed ok) would be more valuable to those seeking a genuine freelancer than anything because no reputable freelancer would bid on a job they were not able to take on for fear of a public negative response.
Seems like a fundamental thing to protect project owners from making expensive mistakes but no site I've come across offers this - the result? 1st bad project and I'll never use the site again, its a trust issue as it appears that the freelance company is just there to sign up as many crappy freelancers as they can to make some money - I've yet to come across a service that truly respects what people looking for professional outsourcing are looking for.
It will also be interesting to see how many Indian outsource companies bid on projects, ignore simple instructions and pester your customers when a project is placed - I, for one, have lost all faith in these types of sites, can you change my mind?
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christian_d
My two year old would design one in exchange for two episodes of "Big Cook Little Cook". That would save you £1.39
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I'm a free member of PPH and had a flurry of bidding earlier in the year, but never saw a peep of any work. I agree many of the comments made here - often the bidding levels are ludicrously low.
But the think that always catches my eye, is the bid history of advertisers: 99% of the time, it seems to say "Jobs Posted: 1 / Jobs cancelled: 0 / Jobs Awarded: 0 ".
Well if most advertisers of work only visit once, then it's plainly not a good advertisement for satisfaction on their side - or, equally likely, there are lots of "dreamers" out there claiming to post projects only to either never award them or seek bid so low, they never get a satisfactory one to award. As someone said above, adverts looking for whole e-commerce websites for £250 are definitely in the realm of 'dreamers'.
What PPH needs (are you listening, Xenios ??) is the ability to filter jobs posted, by (a) the bid range set (b) the number of jobs posted/awarded by those work suppliers in the past. Then you could scrape off all the dross and get through to to sensible projects perhaps. And that would help advertisers too, because those many of us who are sensible bidders out here could find them more easily without wading through pages of nonsense.
But the think that always catches my eye, is the bid history of advertisers: 99% of the time, it seems to say "Jobs Posted: 1 / Jobs cancelled: 0 / Jobs Awarded: 0 ".
Well if most advertisers of work only visit once, then it's plainly not a good advertisement for satisfaction on their side - or, equally likely, there are lots of "dreamers" out there claiming to post projects only to either never award them or seek bid so low, they never get a satisfactory one to award. As someone said above, adverts looking for whole e-commerce websites for £250 are definitely in the realm of 'dreamers'.
What PPH needs (are you listening, Xenios ??) is the ability to filter jobs posted, by (a) the bid range set (b) the number of jobs posted/awarded by those work suppliers in the past. Then you could scrape off all the dross and get through to to sensible projects perhaps. And that would help advertisers too, because those many of us who are sensible bidders out here could find them more easily without wading through pages of nonsense.
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I'm a free (service provider) member of PPH and had a flurry of bidding earlier in the year, but never saw a peep of any work. I agree many of the comments made here - often the bid-price levels are ludicrously low.
But the think that always catches my eye, is the bid history of advertisers: 99% of the time, it seems to say "Jobs Posted: 1 / Jobs cancelled: 0 / Jobs Awarded: 0 ".
Well if most advertisers of work only visit once, then it's plainly not a good advertisement for satisfaction on their side - or, equally likely, there are lots of "dreamers" out there claiming to post projects only to either never award them or seek prices so unrealistically low, they never get a satisfactory one to award. As someone said above, adverts looking for whole e-commerce websites for £250 are definitely in the realm of 'dreamers'.
What PPH needs (are you listening, Xenios ??) is the ability to filter jobs posted, by (a) the bid range set (b) the number of jobs posted/awarded by those work suppliers in the past. Then you could scrape off all the dross and get through to to sensible projects perhaps. And that would help advertisers too, because those many of us who are sensible bidders out here could find them more easily without wading through pages of nonsense.
But the think that always catches my eye, is the bid history of advertisers: 99% of the time, it seems to say "Jobs Posted: 1 / Jobs cancelled: 0 / Jobs Awarded: 0 ".
Well if most advertisers of work only visit once, then it's plainly not a good advertisement for satisfaction on their side - or, equally likely, there are lots of "dreamers" out there claiming to post projects only to either never award them or seek prices so unrealistically low, they never get a satisfactory one to award. As someone said above, adverts looking for whole e-commerce websites for £250 are definitely in the realm of 'dreamers'.
What PPH needs (are you listening, Xenios ??) is the ability to filter jobs posted, by (a) the bid range set (b) the number of jobs posted/awarded by those work suppliers in the past. Then you could scrape off all the dross and get through to to sensible projects perhaps. And that would help advertisers too, because those many of us who are sensible bidders out here could find them more easily without wading through pages of nonsense.
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Not really fair. It's not peanuts in the countries the developers live. There are a lot of monkeys, but it doesn't mean good people aren't available cheaply... if you can find them, and can figure out how to use them effectively (language and cultural quirks).
I sometimes post jobs on these sites to see the kind of talent that applies, potentially to work with them directly, or to help me get an idea for a client what something might cost.
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For what it's worth this is my current list of supposed Freelance work websites (not in any particular order and recommending none in particular):
allfreelance d-ot com
dub dub dub freelancenation d-ot net
dub dub dub ifreelance d-ot com
dub dub dub freelancejobs.org
dub dub dub freelanceuk d-ot com
dub dub dub freelancer d-otcod-otuk
dub dub dub odesk d-ot com
dub dub dub vworker d-ot com
dub dub dub freelancers d-ot net
dub dub dub officecavalry d-ot com
dub dub dub consultancyrolefinder d-ot com
dub dub dub freelancer-job d-ot com
dub dub dub greatfreelancersonline d-ot com
Would appreciate hearing of others if people have good recommendations.
Good luck all
allfreelance d-ot com
dub dub dub freelancenation d-ot net
dub dub dub ifreelance d-ot com
dub dub dub freelancejobs.org
dub dub dub freelanceuk d-ot com
dub dub dub freelancer d-otcod-otuk
dub dub dub odesk d-ot com
dub dub dub vworker d-ot com
dub dub dub freelancers d-ot net
dub dub dub officecavalry d-ot com
dub dub dub consultancyrolefinder d-ot com
dub dub dub freelancer-job d-ot com
dub dub dub greatfreelancersonline d-ot com
Would appreciate hearing of others if people have good recommendations.
Good luck all
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Nicolas Mery
Does someone knows other good websites offering similar services than People per hour ?:|
I'm a sales representative in France and would like to advertise my profile on the web. If possible only on the good websites not to waist my time...
Thanks for your advices
Nicolas
France/Belgique Representative
I'm a sales representative in France and would like to advertise my profile on the web. If possible only on the good websites not to waist my time...
Thanks for your advices
Nicolas
France/Belgique Representative
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cakeboy
I posted three different, but similar jobs on there. Found two great web designers, one slow but OK one and one ******** who couldn't take feedback!
The two good ones I have subsequently given more work to outside PPH.
As mentioned before make sure your brief is water-tight in what you want - explain everything. Use the previous rating systems to get a feel of people, chucking out anyone with no ratings. I spent quite a while swapping emails 9within the PPH system) to get feel for the people I took on, and studied tehir previous work.
The two good ones I have subsequently given more work to outside PPH.
As mentioned before make sure your brief is water-tight in what you want - explain everything. Use the previous rating systems to get a feel of people, chucking out anyone with no ratings. I spent quite a while swapping emails 9within the PPH system) to get feel for the people I took on, and studied tehir previous work.
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Hello,
In my freelance writing capacity, I use PPH... well, I don't actually, because it is not very good. Let me explain why.
PPH is free to join, so the quality of suppliers is very broad i.e. there are some very poor ones. The quality of jobs is equally poor, so the quality of responses you get is generally poor, and the price you can get work done for is very low. PPH get a commission from the supplier when you choose their bid, which they do because they expect you to then pay the supplier direct, which means no contract and no payment protection.
There are other alternatives:
Freelancers.net - seems to be full of SEO work, writing 100 articles for $5 etc. Again, very poor quality of work and therefore poor quality suppliers.
ODesk - heavily geared towards software & IT contractors
Elance - absolutely the best by a mile. Suppliers have to take tests to join and most have to pay a monthly fee, so that keeps the worst suppliers away. The jobs can be poor - SEO articles etc. - but there are very high value jobs posted too, which makes it worthwhile for people like me to source work through it. I have ghost written 4 business books, plus other projects, in the last 18 months through Elance. Suppliers pay a commission on work billed through Elance, and the ratings system ensures that they have an incentive to work through Elance, which means you are protected by Elance's contracts and billing escrow system.
www.elance.com
I hope that helps.
Christopher
In my freelance writing capacity, I use PPH... well, I don't actually, because it is not very good. Let me explain why.
PPH is free to join, so the quality of suppliers is very broad i.e. there are some very poor ones. The quality of jobs is equally poor, so the quality of responses you get is generally poor, and the price you can get work done for is very low. PPH get a commission from the supplier when you choose their bid, which they do because they expect you to then pay the supplier direct, which means no contract and no payment protection.
There are other alternatives:
Freelancers.net - seems to be full of SEO work, writing 100 articles for $5 etc. Again, very poor quality of work and therefore poor quality suppliers.
ODesk - heavily geared towards software & IT contractors
Elance - absolutely the best by a mile. Suppliers have to take tests to join and most have to pay a monthly fee, so that keeps the worst suppliers away. The jobs can be poor - SEO articles etc. - but there are very high value jobs posted too, which makes it worthwhile for people like me to source work through it. I have ghost written 4 business books, plus other projects, in the last 18 months through Elance. Suppliers pay a commission on work billed through Elance, and the ratings system ensures that they have an incentive to work through Elance, which means you are protected by Elance's contracts and billing escrow system.
www.elance.com
I hope that helps.
Christopher
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I am all for freelancers and promoting competition. However, I feel some of these sites are really ruining the livelihood of some freelancers as everything comes down to who is the cheapest. Often the one person that wins is the company in the middle like PPH and oDesk. I am sure a lot of people also benefit a lot from them, but I think it just lowers market rates.
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I have done one job for somebody on PPH and the guy spoke to me like I was a slave. People who use it tend to want everything for nothing and although it seems UK based there are a lot of Indian / Asian people who will try to undercut people on every job.
A strictly UK only version would be good as people would be bidding at around the same amount.
A strictly UK only version would be good as people would be bidding at around the same amount.
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I have found the Indian/Asian freelancers to be more expensive than the UK guys. I used to put work on there regularly. The Indian market is slowly going the direction of what I call the Japan effect. Slowly their labour prices is increasing. It's now often cheaper to hire a skilled person in the UK. I know most people will find that hard to believe. But I have seen this on more than one occassion.
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