Am i stealing? what would you do?
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Incidently, having declared the £80 i'd earned to the Jobcentre I arrived home to a letter from my Grandparents that explained that their neighbour had died last year and left them some money in the will... enclosed was a cheque for £250 to meInstant karma!
So you declare your earnings and someone else dies....that's karma folks!
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Eunoia
You don't need to be a fan of tesco, only a fan of yourself to know which choice to make.
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I would like to think I'm quite honest - so probably wouldn't use it after realising there's been a f up and I'm getting the benefit from it.
Everyone seems to have a go at you for doing what you have done - let me ask the same people this: Would they hand in a winning lottery ticket if they found one? If anyone here says yes - they're talking from their jacksie.
Everyone seems to have a go at you for doing what you have done - let me ask the same people this: Would they hand in a winning lottery ticket if they found one? If anyone here says yes - they're talking from their jacksie.
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- Original Poster
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Quoting my own lines:
Okay, first of all thanks again for your comments ladies and gents. It is very surprising to see how people react on this. First thing that very obvious to me is this, people see only what they want to see. Most comments on this thread have been blown out of proportion. I have clearly stated that:
1. I dont have any plan to abuse it
2. I only used it twice, first was when the actual occasion where the voucher has been applied to (late delivery), and the other one
was on the occasion where i was surprised of what is it doing in my account and wanted to try to see if it still working. This is
wrong, i know, but i bet, 90% of people on my position would do the same based on curiousity.
The fact that i mentioned "so in theory...", does not mean that i would do it. Now some people talk about exploiting the system therefore i am committing a theft. Well, im sorry to hear that but i believe every
single of us had been exploiting any system to some extent whether you realise it or not:
1. Start with speeding, right, i bet most ppl who condemned me once drove above the speed the limit and aware of what they were doing. Strictly speaking you are exploiting the system. Only speeding where there is no speed cam,..Even when you didnt get caught in my opinion, you are committing a theft, simply because, when you are speeding, you should be penalised of whatever amount you should be punished (£60 and points). Now the fact that you dont pay simply because you didnt get caught in a way you are manipulating the system.... I bet all ppl know speeding is not allowed, but would that stop you for doing it? of course not, as long as you do it where there is not speed camera...
2. Any of you runs a pub or any other public space while playing music? do you know that you have to obtain license for all musics you play or any video you display including sky etc..? otherwise you are committing theft. Look up for the law of this.
3. What about any income you got for selling stuff on ebay (if you gaining profit whether you realise or not) that you havent declare to the taxman,..thats another theft..
4. What about parking your car, on a place you shouldnt no matter how long,..??
5. Or any software you are or were using that is obtained from some dodgy website?
Those are just a few examples of us exploiting the system, in my case the voucher (which i didnt have any intention to abuse it as i clearly said).
Its even more surprising to see how judgmental people can be,.." i wouldnt do business with you, or wouldnt trust you with my money.." i'll be damned,..what money??.
These kind of people i reckon are the worse amongst all. I strongly believe that they were at some point exploit the system to some extent, but these lot have the audacity to judge people because of mistake that they might have done in the past,... lol (i think hypocrite is the term for it? )
Business relationship is just a matter of what written on the piece of paper. It doesnt makes any difference whether your partner was
using shopping voucher for many times (which i did not). You could shake your partners hand and throw smile to them, but when things
going down south, they will cover nothing but their arses,..so much for a friendship.
Now the icing sugar of all this, i did ring the retailler and ask them, explaining the situation (while shitting my pants because someone threats he wont do business with me), and the result is, its okay to keep the voucher but with one particular condition that i wont be mentioning here.
I would have been happy with the answer of Yes you would be stealing and yes you have to inform them, simple..
Needless to say, i found this quite interesting, as we could see what kind of society we are living in,...i maybe dishonest for being curious but at least i have enough balls to say it outloud in this forum that after all im only human,..which ofcourse nothing to compare to you saints....
Okay, first of all thanks again for your comments ladies and gents. It is very surprising to see how people react on this. First thing that very obvious to me is this, people see only what they want to see. Most comments on this thread have been blown out of proportion. I have clearly stated that:
1. I dont have any plan to abuse it
2. I only used it twice, first was when the actual occasion where the voucher has been applied to (late delivery), and the other one
was on the occasion where i was surprised of what is it doing in my account and wanted to try to see if it still working. This is
wrong, i know, but i bet, 90% of people on my position would do the same based on curiousity.
The fact that i mentioned "so in theory...", does not mean that i would do it. Now some people talk about exploiting the system therefore i am committing a theft. Well, im sorry to hear that but i believe every
single of us had been exploiting any system to some extent whether you realise it or not:
1. Start with speeding, right, i bet most ppl who condemned me once drove above the speed the limit and aware of what they were doing. Strictly speaking you are exploiting the system. Only speeding where there is no speed cam,..Even when you didnt get caught in my opinion, you are committing a theft, simply because, when you are speeding, you should be penalised of whatever amount you should be punished (£60 and points). Now the fact that you dont pay simply because you didnt get caught in a way you are manipulating the system.... I bet all ppl know speeding is not allowed, but would that stop you for doing it? of course not, as long as you do it where there is not speed camera...
2. Any of you runs a pub or any other public space while playing music? do you know that you have to obtain license for all musics you play or any video you display including sky etc..? otherwise you are committing theft. Look up for the law of this.
3. What about any income you got for selling stuff on ebay (if you gaining profit whether you realise or not) that you havent declare to the taxman,..thats another theft..
4. What about parking your car, on a place you shouldnt no matter how long,..??
5. Or any software you are or were using that is obtained from some dodgy website?
Those are just a few examples of us exploiting the system, in my case the voucher (which i didnt have any intention to abuse it as i clearly said).
Its even more surprising to see how judgmental people can be,.." i wouldnt do business with you, or wouldnt trust you with my money.." i'll be damned,..what money??.
These kind of people i reckon are the worse amongst all. I strongly believe that they were at some point exploit the system to some extent, but these lot have the audacity to judge people because of mistake that they might have done in the past,... lol (i think hypocrite is the term for it? )
Business relationship is just a matter of what written on the piece of paper. It doesnt makes any difference whether your partner was
using shopping voucher for many times (which i did not). You could shake your partners hand and throw smile to them, but when things
going down south, they will cover nothing but their arses,..so much for a friendship.
Now the icing sugar of all this, i did ring the retailler and ask them, explaining the situation (while shitting my pants because someone threats he wont do business with me), and the result is, its okay to keep the voucher but with one particular condition that i wont be mentioning here.
I would have been happy with the answer of Yes you would be stealing and yes you have to inform them, simple..
Needless to say, i found this quite interesting, as we could see what kind of society we are living in,...i maybe dishonest for being curious but at least i have enough balls to say it outloud in this forum that after all im only human,..which ofcourse nothing to compare to you saints....
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Bleeding Nora! 9 pages of crap
Tesco's made a booboo, let them deal with it. It doesn't make the op a bad person!
Hell,
• I subscribed to a magazine earlier this year. They didn't send me my free gift. I complained. I then wrote an email to the 'big man' as the service was shocking. I then received THREE free gifts from different people in the same office.
• We found maggots in our peppers from a supermarket. Complained in store. Got given a giftcard. Complained to head office because of the attitude in store - office didn't communicate with each other... got £60 worth in the end. All sent through the post from the same office.
I best hand my self in eh?
Granted I couldn't use these 'over & over'. And I don't think the op should take the pi££ but jesus guys...doing what he did doesn't make him a bad person. It doesn't mean you can't do business with him either... lol
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p.s - I see the op reply'd at the same time as me
Tesco's made a booboo, let them deal with it. It doesn't make the op a bad person!
Hell,
• I subscribed to a magazine earlier this year. They didn't send me my free gift. I complained. I then wrote an email to the 'big man' as the service was shocking. I then received THREE free gifts from different people in the same office.
• We found maggots in our peppers from a supermarket. Complained in store. Got given a giftcard. Complained to head office because of the attitude in store - office didn't communicate with each other... got £60 worth in the end. All sent through the post from the same office.
I best hand my self in eh?
Granted I couldn't use these 'over & over'. And I don't think the op should take the pi££ but jesus guys...doing what he did doesn't make him a bad person. It doesn't mean you can't do business with him either... lol
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p.s - I see the op reply'd at the same time as me
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Needless to say, i found this quite interesting, as we could see what kind of society we are living in,...i maybe dishonest for being curious but at least i have enough balls to say it outloud in this forum that after all im only human,..which ofcourse nothing to compare to you saints....
Yer I bet you did the Brinks Matt job to.
Its not society its untrained human nature indoctrinated from birth into a life of servitude.
Earl
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alexft
Tesco Tesco what about it ))
Stuff get mis priced there all the time, many times the mix labels almost deliberately.
Stealing to me is to taking something that is not yours without use of violence.
Imho, If you feel all the stuff you can buy with voucher is truly yours get it if it does not feel right to you don't do it.
Take business negotiations for example. You supply some material that person needs and there arent many suppliers for it, perhaps you are the only one as it was with black silicon for some time.
Then you can say hey its business I will charge as much as I can get, or hey that's the amount that brings me profit and it feels fair.
If someone calls you and orders a house painting job that usually cost 1000K for 2000K simply cause he got no clue, what you do? You tell him hey I usually get 1000K so just pay me that?
In a monetary system that is based on debt one can financially benefit only at the others financial expense. Someone has to borrow more and more money into existence. How many win win situations can you site? I guess there are few. Cost saving often means someone losses jobs. Productivity improvement same or more hours for same wage.
Also there is a difference between businessman and entrepreneur aka enterprising person. Between a firm, company and enterprise.
))Stuff get mis priced there all the time, many times the mix labels almost deliberately.
Stealing to me is to taking something that is not yours without use of violence.
Imho, If you feel all the stuff you can buy with voucher is truly yours get it if it does not feel right to you don't do it.
Take business negotiations for example. You supply some material that person needs and there arent many suppliers for it, perhaps you are the only one as it was with black silicon for some time.
Then you can say hey its business I will charge as much as I can get, or hey that's the amount that brings me profit and it feels fair.
If someone calls you and orders a house painting job that usually cost 1000K for 2000K simply cause he got no clue, what you do? You tell him hey I usually get 1000K so just pay me that?
In a monetary system that is based on debt one can financially benefit only at the others financial expense. Someone has to borrow more and more money into existence. How many win win situations can you site? I guess there are few. Cost saving often means someone losses jobs. Productivity improvement same or more hours for same wage.
Also there is a difference between businessman and entrepreneur aka enterprising person. Between a firm, company and enterprise.
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Yes, it is theft as you were aware that it was a one-off gift.
By using it continually you will firstly have a large bill - depending on how long they take to notice.
And depending on how long you continue, they may decide to skip the bill and call in the Police as it is obtaining goods by deception. Although it is through their own error - it will come under the 'reasonable man' scenario. A reasonable man would realise that a shop would NOT give a £30 discount for life, and would report the error in an honest way, or not use the voucher.
Call the store, e-mail customer services, pay the arrears and explain the fault in their system. You will feel better for it.
By using it continually you will firstly have a large bill - depending on how long they take to notice.
And depending on how long you continue, they may decide to skip the bill and call in the Police as it is obtaining goods by deception. Although it is through their own error - it will come under the 'reasonable man' scenario. A reasonable man would realise that a shop would NOT give a £30 discount for life, and would report the error in an honest way, or not use the voucher.
Call the store, e-mail customer services, pay the arrears and explain the fault in their system. You will feel better for it.
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Dawg
Dawg
What is your detailed view on commerce?
Also if a chap orders a service from you and willing to pay twice the price you accept his offer or you tell him you do it for your usual price?
My detailed view on commerce is basically in accord with classical liberal (N.B. small 'L') economics as first put forward by Adam Smith.
And yes, I would tell him that I would do it for my usual price as this would promote repeat business and encourage positive word of mouth recommendations. I would be doing it to make more money in the medium and long term, not for any charitable or altruistic motives, and possibly because I try not to behave stupidly and take a fiver now when I can have four lots of £3 over 3 weeks..
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If someone calls you and orders a house painting job that usually cost 1000K for 2000K simply cause he got no clue, what you do? You tell him hey I usually get 1000K so just pay me that?
2million to paint a house seems a little steep, are they painting it with gold?
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alexft
2million to paint a house seems a little steep, are they painting it with gold?
Hahahaha, well spotted! That what happens when I reply at night, Figures go wild. Gold painted walls, if some crazy billionaire is reading this thread hey I do it for only meager 2000K
As to voucher whats the code? Maybe post it here so everyone can then decide whether they use it or not?
Fun thread.
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PayVector
I recall reading sometime back that a couple was charged with theft or similar when they figured out a cash machine was dispensing cash but not debiting their actual account. Was a bug/fault in the machine they their were exploiting for their own gain.
The amount they took was only 4 figures but they still were forced to pay it back via the courts. I dont recall the specifics unfortunatly. Just the similarity to the situation the OP found himself in.
I am suprised the OP was allowed to continue to use it even after he told the retailer. I wonder if it was for payment for taking time to set the retailer straight on their error.
The amount they took was only 4 figures but they still were forced to pay it back via the courts. I dont recall the specifics unfortunatly. Just the similarity to the situation the OP found himself in.
I am suprised the OP was allowed to continue to use it even after he told the retailer. I wonder if it was for payment for taking time to set the retailer straight on their error.
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