All Malaysian Flight 370 could be still alive and kicking

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  1. Swisaw

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    There is no doubt this flight was hijacked and there was a ship or submarine was waiting for it at the place where landed or crashed in the sea. So either the hijackers and the target, which they were after, came down by parachute to be picked up by the waiting submarine/ship or when the plane crashed to the sea every one picked up by the waiting submarine or ship. This must be the true story.
     
    Posted: Mar 26, 2014 By: Swisaw Member since: Sep 24, 2010
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  2. simon field

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    Why have you ruled out pilot suicide?
     
    Posted: Mar 26, 2014 By: simon field Member since: Feb 4, 2011
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  3. Swisaw

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    Pilot suicide? if so he would have crash it immediately.
     
    Posted: Mar 26, 2014 By: Swisaw Member since: Sep 24, 2010
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  4. simon field

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    Maybe, but maybe not.

    You're making wild guesses, as am I.

    Only difference is I wouldn't say 'that's what must have happened'
     
    Posted: Mar 26, 2014 By: simon field Member since: Feb 4, 2011
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  5. Nuno

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    Who benefits?
     
    Posted: Mar 26, 2014 By: Nuno Member since: Oct 10, 2011
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  6. imutual

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    Absolutely. And it's surely Spectre that's behind it. Or, as Sean Connery might say, Shpectre
     
    Posted: Mar 26, 2014 By: imutual Member since: Nov 17, 2011
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  7. lynxus

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    While I'm only guessing like others. I cant see any valid reason to dump a plane into the ocean as a terrorist operation?

    It could be a simple fact that like others have said, the plane may of lost hull integrity and everyone died. It then flew by itself into the ocean after running out of fuel.

    This said.
    There are some things that make me wonder.

    Why were transponders and communications cut off?
    These things send all kinds of data out of them ( including engine details to the makers in real time )
    So why did this go off?
    Surely if there was enough damage to break, something would been found on the ground?

    I personally believe that it was just a terrible accident.
    We will know for sure over the coming years however it wont be easy due to the location of the debris.
     
    Posted: Mar 26, 2014 By: lynxus Member since: Jul 5, 2011
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  8. Nuno

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    Posted: Mar 26, 2014 By: Nuno Member since: Oct 10, 2011
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  9. Spock

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    Swisaw your hypothesis is about as credible as the plane being sucked up into a mothership and taken to the far side of the galaxy.
     
    Posted: Mar 26, 2014 By: Spock Member since: Apr 24, 2008
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  10. Paul Brooke

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    And what is wrong with that exactly Spock? ... lol
     
    Posted: Mar 26, 2014 By: Paul Brooke Member since: Mar 8, 2011
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  11. MASSEY

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    I could understand it being hijacked and taken if there was expensive cargo on board, below the passengers. But they wouldn't have crashed it into the sea would they? lol.
     
    Posted: Mar 26, 2014 By: MASSEY Member since: Nov 29, 2009
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  12. 123Simples

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    Posted: Mar 26, 2014 By: 123Simples Member since: Jul 10, 2011
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  13. Swisaw

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    1- All communication and ID signals went off, which would have been possible only manually, by human hands.

    2- After communication and ID signals went off, the plane was flying in a manner to avoid detection.

    3- during the last hour of the flight, the plane was autopilot driven.


    These three points prove the plane was under manual control, driven by a pilot, until left to the autopilot. this means the plane was in perfect mechanical order until the moment flew or crashed into the sea. In other words the plane was driven to that area under human controls, but why? Because something like a ship or submarine was waiting for them at the area.This implies that the plane was hijacked and flown to that area because a ship or a submarine was waiting for it.


    But way it was hijacked? I can put two reason for it:


    1- to kidnap a VIP or VIPs. Who were the Iranian passengers? were they ordinary people or nuclear scientists?


    2- Air Piracy. Did the flight carry a big cargo of gold or diamond or hard currency?


    Passenger identity checks, in this case, don't prove anything. Let me to tell you the story of two Israeli spies. The first one was an Israeli penetrated into Egyptian Army as an army officer. He was promoted in the Egyptian Army as a military expert with a license to see all secrets of Egyptian army. He was the eyes of Israeli secret service in the heart of Egyptian Army for years. After 6 days war between Arabs and Israel, he left safe and sound. Another one exactly like this one penetrated into Syrian army. But this one caught after years of spying and executed. So the ID of the passengers don't prove if all passengers were thew same people as identified by their ID of each or known by other people.


    But why the plane put on the autopilot on the last hour? Could this be because the pilots parachuted down to a waiting submarine or ship with their accomplices and the targets, which they were after? Or was it easier to land it on the sea? Were the pilots real Malaysian pilots or could they have been disguised as the two Malaysian pilots?


    So definitely it was a hijack. If the target was a VIP or VIP and the plane autopilot driven to land on the sea, if not all some passengers could have been rescued. If the pilots with their supporters and target/s parachuted down the rest of the passengers would have ended in the sea. If it was air piracy, the same fate would have faced all passengers. Air piracy of this sort is possible when the loot is worthwhile and have technical know how.
     
    Posted: Mar 27, 2014 By: Swisaw Member since: Sep 24, 2010
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  14. Excel Expert

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    Although I would agree that terrorism (state sanctioned or not) is not to be ruled at this stage I think the "James Bond" scenario is totally far fetched.

    A deliberate landing in the sea so a ship could be ready to extract certain people/property is impossible to predict.

    There is as of yet zero indication of an auto pilot being used or not. For autopilot to work it would need to communicate with satellites for its position or they would have to communicate with radio way points. Either way it would give the authorities confirmation of where the plane was as well. The only communication from the plane was from an automatic maintenance system.

    Not sure if these planes still have the gyroscopic mechanical autopilots, if they did then autopilot was possible using that and it wouldn't have given their position away.

    A far more likely terrorist / hijack scenario is the terrorists took the plane over quietly and forced the pilot to fly to height where mobile phones were useless and then gathered up the passengers phones. They then flew down to 5,000 feet got the pilot to put it on autopilot and incapacitated everyone in the cockpit. They then parachuted out with their "target" well before they aircraft crashed.

    It could be that there were no hijackers on the ground and this was a cyber hijacking by hackers. It has been long rumoured that hackers could take control of such a plane.

    Basically at this point it all boils down to guess work. It could be suicide by one of the pilots, it could be a terrorist plot, it could be some catastrophic onboard failure of systems. No one knows, so there is no point in declaring "there is no doubt this was a hijack".
     
    Posted: Mar 27, 2014 By: Excel Expert Member since: Jan 1, 1970
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  15. Swisaw

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    We agree on that. But according to what has been disclosed the plane flew very low after they put off communications and ID signals. According to uk Inmrasat, which found the path of the plane, the plane was flew on the autopilot on the last hour flight. Cyber hijacking is possible with unmanned planes but I am not sure if it is possible with a commercial flighst like flight 370. Before the liberation of Iraq, Iraqis claimed they had forced a US drone to land safe and sound. They shew the picture of the drone. It was obvious they cyber-hijacked it with the use of Old Communist Russia cyber programs. The sharp turn of the plane against flight path indicates there was no technical fault.
     
    Posted: Mar 27, 2014 By: Swisaw Member since: Sep 24, 2010
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  16. Excel Expert

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    I'm not saying they did that though. All I'm saying is if there was terrorist involvement that scenario is far more likely than having a great big ship waiting for an aircraft to crash. They have no control over how a plane crashes, who lives, who dies or if their target sinks to the bottom or not.

    I'm yet to be convinced it was terrorists, cyber hijackers, pilot suicide or some freaky malfunction - there is simply not enough information to pull a conclusion from.

    Inmrasat have not declared when or if the flight was on autopilot at all - they simply did not have that information. Every so often the plane "pinged" the satellite to try to upload its maintenance data. Their subscription to the service had been allowed to expired so the satellite just didn't answer the planes request to hand shake. All Inmrasat have based their findings on is when the plane pinged the satellite and where the satellite was in space at that time (hence the large arc everyone was searching). Further study in the tiny changes of frequency that ping was sent over allowed them to further pin point where the aircraft was.

    They simply didnt have any data from the plane.

    It is impossible to say if and when the plane was on autopilot.
     
    Posted: Mar 27, 2014 By: Excel Expert Member since: Jan 1, 1970
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  17. MASSEY

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    If a ship or submarine was waiting it would most probably have been found on satellite images by now, or detected by military equipment / submarines and ships already in the same area.

    When you look at the estimated route the plane took, it looks as if there was intent to avoid more developed countries like Japan and Australia that would have almost certainly detected it if it continued towards the North Pacific.

    I think terrorism is a strong possibility. But usually these terrorists (primarily muslims with the exception of the IRA) generally kill masses of people and themselves so they can sit with allah munching on 72 grapes.

    You don't kill all those people with the intention of surviving.
     
    Posted: Mar 27, 2014 By: MASSEY Member since: Nov 29, 2009
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  18. Excel Expert

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    There is a more state sanctioned form of terrorism where the object of the exercise is to grab someone or something, rather than blowing things up. So there could have been people on board who forced the craft down to the 5,000 so they could parachute out with someone or something they had grabbed.

    It seems more likely than a suicide lets blow everyone up sort of terrorism as they would have probably gone for a more immediate and more news grabbing action such as nose diving it in to the sea there and then or flying it in to a building or built up area.

    If there was a take over of the plane it was ultra efficient and professional. No radio signals, all the satellite communications turned off and no attempts at mobile phone calls. Sort of indicates if there was terrorists on board they took it over they locked it down with military precision and efficiency. Would terrorists that were planning on just killing everyone for the sake of it put that much effort in to a lock down? Could they be that organised?

    Add to that the route away from prying eyes and it certainly looks deliberate and professionally carried out. That of course still does not mean terrorists, the pilots would know to do this as well.
     
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  19. stockdam

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    Before making wild speculation like this I'd suggest you do some research or talk to somebody who knows something about aircraft.

    A large aircraft cannot ditch into the sea without huge risk. The sea is generally not flat due to waves or swell and the chances of clipping a wing or smashing into a large wave are big. The result is a crash where survival is a lottery.

    Large commercial aircraft are not designed for people to jump out of. If you jump out of the forward door then you risk hitting the wing (you fly "backwards" relative to the plane. If you jump out of the back door then you risk hitting the tailplane.

    How did they smuggle parachutes past security?

    Forget what you see in movies and do some research before coming up with pure speculation.
     
    Posted: Mar 27, 2014 By: stockdam Member since: Jul 3, 2008
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  20. StaffingAgency

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    As Stockdam says, it is extremely hard to parachute out of a commercial aircraft given the location of the doors in relation to wings, tail, and those big engines that will suck you in.

    Not to say it can't be done of course.

    Unconnected, but anyone hear about the Spanish responding to a reported aircraft crash today off the Canary Islands, only for it to end up being a ship? :p
     
    Posted: Mar 27, 2014 By: StaffingAgency Member since: Mar 19, 2014
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