adult websites???

[JustOneUK]

Any clues on the best strategy for an adult site? (probably not porn but thinks like sex toys, dating and perhaps escorts etc) link building for a site like that - is it going to be impossible? also what's a good pay per click revenue stream for an adult site?

tia...
James.

 

[Vision]

I'll link to you for some freebies!

Mark

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Adult sites are difficult to market, PLUS you are going to be up against some black hat tactics). Sex toy sites are not too bad as they are mostly white hat. Dating and escorts especially are difficult as you have entered the dark underworld of prostitution. tread carefully

 

[oldeagleeye]

Word is from my old contacts at the Home Office is that the credit card companies are all liasing with the police as regartds of all adult sites. Give your cc number to a porn site - even white site and you might end up with a knock on the door one day and rightly so where child porn is concerned. Get a real business buddy. One which you can be proud to own.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the sex toy industry, it is 100% legal, it allows people to purchase things they would never in a million years be able to buy from a shop as their personality doesn't allow them to.

There is also nothing wrong with prostitution. here is a funny thing
1. a man pays a woman to have sex with him, he is making a film, he films the sex, he then sells the film on dvd.

2. A man pays a woman to have sex with him, he is not making a film.

The first scemnario is legal, the second is illegal. How the hell can that be? If a person wants to make money from their body then they should be allowed to.

We need to legalise brothels and come down heavy on street prositution IMO. Protect the girls on the street.

 

Word is from my old contacts at the Home Office is that the credit card companies are all liasing with the police as regartds of all adult sites. Give your cc number to a porn site - even white site and you might end up with a knock on the door one day and rightly so where child porn is concerned. Get a real business buddy. One which you can be proud to own.

Well as the purse does not run to the purchase of a Hospital.

Thats going to be a bit hard.

Earl

 

[1-4-me]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the sex toy industry, it is 100% legal, it allows people to purchase things they would never in a million years be able to buy from a shop as their personality doesn't allow them to.

There is also nothing wrong with prostitution. here is a funny thing
1. a man pays a woman to have sex with him, he is making a film, he films the sex, he then sells the film on dvd.

2. A man pays a woman to have sex with him, he is not making a film.

The first scemnario is legal, the second is illegal. How the hell can that be? If a person wants to make money from their body then they should be allowed to.

We need to legalise brothels and come down heavy on street prositution IMO. Protect the girls on the street.

I agree, maybe if prostitution was leagalized it would be a hell of a lot safer for the girls.
Also yes customers buying sex toys on the internet are not as emabarrassed as thay woould be going into a store, they can also make enquries about items that they would never do face to face.

 

[TestAPlug]

There are plenty of sites already out there, google adult directories etc and you will get a huge number. If you make yours unique, then you should gain plenty of revenue. Try to trade links with a larger organisation like ann summers. KEV

 

[Steve2507]

Word is from my old contacts at the Home Office is that the credit card companies are all liasing with the police as regartds of all adult sites. Give your cc number to a porn site - even white site and you might end up with a knock on the door one day and rightly so where child porn is concerned. Get a real business buddy. One which you can be proud to own.

I think you need to differentiate between illegal and legal adult sites.

I run a perfectly legal sex toy site and yet you are saying that people should not enter credit card details on my site. It is a very "real business" with premises, staff, stock, corporation tax etc. YES I AM VERY PROUD TO OWN MY BUSINESS!!!!!

Credit card companies are only giving out details when a site has been proven to have paedophiliac content and then the police need to get court orders etc as it is classed as an invasion of privacy. Your contacts are telling you what the home office "want" to happen, the reality is very different.

To say that someone shouldn't enter their credit card details on an adult site is a load of b******s. As long as that site is legitamate they do not have anything to worry about and that doesn't matter if it is hardcore, dating, sex toys or anything adult related. If someone comes across a site that is questionable then if they contact the police about the site they are in the clear (as long as they go no further once they feel the site is wrong).

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the sex toy industry, it is 100% legal, it allows people to purchase things they would never in a million years be able to buy from a shop as their personality doesn't allow them to.

There is also nothing wrong with prostitution. here is a funny thing
1. a man pays a woman to have sex with him, he is making a film, he films the sex, he then sells the film on dvd.

2. A man pays a woman to have sex with him, he is not making a film.

The first scemnario is legal, the second is illegal. How the hell can that be? If a person wants to make money from their body then they should be allowed to.

We need to legalise brothels and come down heavy on street prositution IMO. Protect the girls on the street.

I agree, but no politician will stand up on the side of the adult industry.

Any clues on the best strategy for an adult site? (probably not porn but thinks like sex toys, dating and perhaps escorts etc) link building for a site like that - is it going to be impossible? also what's a good pay per click revenue stream for an adult site?

Back to the original post.

The best strategy for an adult site is the same as for any other ste, directory submissions, blogs, link exchanges (limited), optimising content etc. It is more difficult but can be done, have a look on some of the adult industry forums like http://www.beerandbollocks.com (may be deleted because of the domain name).

PPC can be very very expensive in this industry as you get a hell of a lot of voyeurs. So loads of your visitors will just want to look at scantily clad women & men and just want to fantasize. So they won't be buying from you regardless of how much effort you put into trying to convert them (and yet you've paid for their visit).

What sort of area to get into?

Don't get me wrong I enjoy what I do, as I said earlier I am very proud of the business I have built up, I know some great people in the industry and I do not regret coming into the industry. However I came into it 6 years ago which was about right. Anyone coming into the sex toy market now is going to find it very difficult. Knowing what I know I personally wouldn't come into the adult toy industry as a retailer at this point in time. If you have a new product or service and come into the industry as a wholesaler then there is still room there (imo).

Escort sites - steer clear, unless you have a good lawyer friend. I am not putting them down or agreeing with them. But my question is if you are making money from an escort site, the escorts are sleeping with clients (which then becomes prostitution) are you therefore living off immorral earnings and so could go to gaol??? I don't know the answer to this, so if you do find it out let us know. If you can't find the answer then don;t get involved.

Dating sites and porn sites are where money can be earned if done correctly, but it is hard work (as all businesses are), you must be careful what content you have on the site and where it is hosted. I don't know much more about these 2 areas but go to some of the dedicated adult forums and you will get loads of help as it is a very friendly community (I often go to them looking for ABC linking).

Hope this helps.

 

[Adamos]

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[oldeagleeye]

Steve I never suggested that toys sites and the like were illegal or that people shouldn't use their credits cards on a toy site in particular but I'll come back to that.
What I did say was that anyone that does might be in for a nasty surprise by being put on a database even if it is only remotely associated with porn and you are quite wrong when you say that the police need to get court orders etc to compile these databases or indeed monitor sites

Even your local council can do that. The local council can also intercept your email and the ordinary post. No court orders are needed. No explanation as to why the local authority need this information. So any youngster on the dole one week and employed by the local authority can launch an investigation into your business and private life.

And finally - back to those credit cards again and indeed Internet banking in general because the public are being conned. Internet banking and using your credit card on-line is not safe. I repeat not safe and that comes not just from little old me but the head of the F.B.I who will no doubt be offering the young man that is just being deported from Britain for hacking into the Pentagon a job.

Now I have no doubt that all our members with shopping carts would disagree will all this but we have to look at the facts. Many of Britain's biggest companies now have call centres processing credit cards In India. One of the most corrupt countries in the world as far as politicians are concerned. Where a £50 quid bribe to a cousin of a cousin of a call centre worker is a years food for the family in the village and your credit card is safe ???. I'll leave you with one other thought. The last year has seen a huge increase in philshing and all the banks have been hit but two in particular. Strange that both provide funding for major supermarkets to run their own banks and are therefore entitled to share databases. I would bin those 'reward' cards then. One just might end up being someone else's credit card with your name on it.

 

[ken_uk]

Steve I never suggested that toys sites and the like were illegal or that people shouldn't use their credits cards on a toy site in particular but I'll come back to that.
What I did say was that anyone that does might be in for a nasty surprise by being put on a database even if it is only remotely associated with porn and you are quite wrong when you say that the police need to get court orders etc to compile these databases or indeed monitor sites

What law/power would they use to get this information - without a court order, and how would they manage to get the information from around the world (as not all sites fall under UK law) , in fact how would they convince a site owner to hand over data without a court order, if the owner of the site said no - what law would they use to force the issue?

Even your local council can do that. The local council can also intercept your email and the ordinary post. No court orders are needed. No explanation as to why the local authority need this information. So any youngster on the dole one week and employed by the local authority can launch an investigation into your business and private life.

Under what regulation or law can they read your emails, and open your post?

Under RIPA they can request details of phone records/email records etc, but they are not allowed to get access to the actual content, just dates/times/who etc as far as I am aware.

And finally - back to those credit cards again and indeed Internet banking in general because the public are being conned. Internet banking and using your credit card on-line is not safe. I repeat not safe and that comes not just from little old me but the head of the F.B.I who will no doubt be offering the young man that is just being deported from Britain for hacking into the Pentagon a job.

Do you have a link to this statement by the head of the FBI?
How are the public being conned? In what way, do you have examples of this con?

 

[oldeagleeye]

Will try to find the statement issued by the Deputy Director of the FBI. Got the other information from Nick Ferrari on LBC who pulled a local councilor spokesman in to confirm. No court oder needed. All can all be done covertly. Suggest you write to your own local authority then if you want further information as to how this nanny state are spying on people and why your at it. Why not another letter to your MP as well asking him or her what their views are on the government allowing muslim men to marry up to 5 women abroad and then bring them to this country where the wives and children can all claim benefit. That is NOT a racist remark. It is a legal qusetion because bigamy is illegal in this country. You won't find any specific law on that one either but the government slipped that little wheeze in last November. You can however check that one out in the Telegraph's archives.
As for the Internet banking scandal. I don't have time to go through newspaper records but surely you cant have missed the headline news of a 17 year old boy hacked into one of our high street banks and transferred a cool £5 million to himself. He actually got away with that too. It was only that he got greedy and tried a second time when he got caught but they never found the first £5 million and there are literally dozens of other examples. My own bankers have introduced no less than 3 new Internet & CC security proceedures over the last 18 months at enormous cost yet each one in turn has been dropped. Tell me Steve - why do you think that is - because those systems were reliable. You really ought to look at your own banking proceedures then and have any monies diverted from an Internet account into one that has no connection whatsoever to the Internet. As for customers. I shop on line for convenience too but I use a debit card and only top it up with the amount I am going to spend before I use it and that quite frankly is the only way to shop safely on-line.

 

[JustOneUK]

What sort of area to get into?

Escort sites - steer clear, unless you have a good lawyer friend. I am not putting them down or agreeing with them. But my question is if you are making money from an escort site, the escorts are sleeping with clients (which then becomes prostitution) are you therefore living off immorral earnings and so could go to gaol??? I don't know the answer to this, so if you do find it out let us know. If you can't find the answer then don;t get involved.

Cheers Steve, I was only thinking about some kind of directory
Is it ilegal even to advertise escort services? (especially those that clearly state 'add-ons') as per THIS page...
escorts-girl-boy.vivastreet.co.uk/escorts-girl-boy-sex-dating

 

[Steve2507]

Cheers Steve, I was only thinking about some kind of directory
Is it ilegal even to advertise escort services? (especially those that clearly state 'add-ons') as per THIS page...
escorts-girl-boy.vivastreet.co.uk/escorts-girl-boy-sex-dating

To be honest I don't know and that is the point. If you can get a definitive answer then go for it, but if the answer is something like "it has never been tested in a court" you have to ask yourself do you want to be the test case?

I looked into escort sites (professionaly) when I first came into the industry and dismissed them because of the immoral earnings arguements.

 

[Steve2507]

Forgot to mention, we've also looked into the sex directory idea and if you have got time to operate it properly there is a hoel in the market there. We've got a few domain names available ready for this when we get chance.

 

[oldeagleeye]

Frankly Justone you sound like a toy boy entering a grown up industry that you know nothing about and you are up against competitors that are out of your league. I think that you also mentioned dating agencies. Most are a con for the public but you can but you can buy a database and set up shop. That is if your out to con people. As for escort agencies. Take a look at Sugardaddy.com. A genuine site dating site I gather where people don't have to pay for an intermediary like you. Get real then bro if you think that you can become as successful as the players already oin this markets start selling Jubbly's as the ultimate after sex experience. That of course and a fag.

I may not always be right but I am never wrong.

 

[oldeagleeye]

Know an Itailian guy I did a mortgage for Steve had a motel just off the M25. Offered B & B at £35 quid a room. Never cooked a breakfast in his life and still doesn't. The excutives start to arrive with their secretary about mid-day and are all gone by 3 pm. Needless to say he was on a nice little earner but I told him he ncrease his profits by offering a shampoo room service. Never took off because those guys and girls never had time but boy did they snap up the pizzas I also suggested as they all rushed back to their offices.

I may not always be right but I am nver wrong.

 

[jamie1183]

Regarding Adult and Escort Directories, its not illegal but be careful where you host, I have just finished developing this site: www.xwork.co.uk, it is Escort directory which seems to be fine and no problems but when adding Porn movie and picture gallery download it hits a black area regarding Hosting, the UK laws state you must have a licence to sell adult material in the UK...

Escort directories and escort websites are fully legal as far as I am aware, we have built 2 or 3 in the last few months and never had a problem.

I think alot register the business abroad through, also if you are taking card payments on the website not many companies will touch it, but if you need some advice, feel free to email me I have a list of CC processors who will work with adult websites. Its a big business that makes money IF marketed correctly, but believe me that is the hard part. Google adwords quickly eat up budget, the funny thing is Xwork found the best response from tabloid advertising such as Friday ads, Sheffield Mercury, or any newspaper that is cheap advertising with an adult section.

J

 

[MartCactus]

There is also nothing wrong with prostitution. here is a funny thing
1. a man pays a woman to have sex with him, he is making a film, he films the sex, he then sells the film on dvd.

2. A man pays a woman to have sex with him, he is not making a film.

The first scemnario is legal, the second is illegal.

Actually this is incorrect. Prostitution has never been illegal under English law, and remains legal to this day. However many activities related to it such as
- soliciting
- kerb crawling
- pimping
- running a brothel
etc are illegal.

 

[JustOneUK]

Frankly Justone you sound like a toy boy entering a grown up industry that you know nothing about and you are up against competitors that are out of your league.

I'm a toy boy?.. Wicked!

I just reg'd 18Directory.com and 18Directory.co.uk so I guess we'll find out how much I know about that league...... eventually

Jamie, thanks for the reply..OK to send you a PM?

regards
James.

 

[oldeagleeye]

Regarding the offence of soliciting. Did a mortgage for a detective constable on the vice task force at Kings Cross many years ago. Had £400,000 as cash deposit on a £500K detached house. Worked a lot of overtime he said with a great big smile on his face.

 

[An Oasis]

Word is from my old contacts at the Home Office is that the credit card companies are all liasing with the police as regartds of all adult sites. Give your cc number to a porn site - even white site and you might end up with a knock on the door one day

It would not surprise me...big brother is here and making a complete cockup. Why these dip sticks in power cannot get the basics right before they jump on the latest fade and make yet another mess, just proves how these idiots need to be made accountable and stop empire building.

...and rightly so where child porn is concerned.

How the hell did this post get to this extreme? I doubt if even 0.5% of society would go that far...

Get a real business buddy. One which you can be proud to own.

You can be a market trader, run a cleaning business... They are all businesses it is just personal choice as to the direction someone goes, nothing wrong with any of them, I fail to see why you have such a blinkered view on life.

 

[oldeagleeye]

If you are referring to me Oasis about having a blinkered view of life you are wrong. I would uphold anyone's right to trade in any legal business they liked. My main point was that I don't personally feel that the Adult white- pink or red sites is a nice business to be in because these databases are being created and even if someone inadvertently clicks on some adult sites they can still end up on a suspect database - and in fact last year the police did reveal one such database which had over 35,000 names and credit card details on it. The police would then have contacted the credit card companies for those people's addresses. Nice - so now your bank knows that you are on a police database and what do you think is going to happen next. I'll tell you. If you were on that database and there is a sexual assault in your area the police might just come knocking on your door because it is the police who are blinkered. In the old days in the Met they used to seize porno videos and they would often get a stripper in too to have a good old jolly up. When it comes to the public however they regard anyone with an adult magazine bought quite openly in a newsagents as a likely pervert.

 

[Steve2507]

I just reg'd 18Directory.com and 18Directory.co.uk so I guess we'll find out how much I know about that league...... eventually

Excellent, good luck with that,I hope it goes well for you.

Regarding the offence of soliciting. Did a mortgage for a detective constable on the vice task force at Kings Cross many years ago. Had £400,000 as cash deposit on a £500K detached house. Worked a lot of overtime he said with a great big smile on his face.

So are you saying you condoned a bent copper and helped with money laundering??

and in fact last year the police did reveal one such database which had over 35,000 names and credit card details on it. The police would then have contacted the credit card companies for those people's addresses.

I can remember the details of what you are talking about and let me put some details to everyone about this.

A site in the USA (I think) was found to be paedophiliac in nature, the FBI promptly (and rightly I may add) closed this down and arrested the owners/operaters. As far as I am aware they face trial this year. As part of that operation they obviously seized the database. As this had on it countless paedophiles or paedophile wannabes they obtained address details from the credit card companies. The credit card companies initially refused and requested court orders which were granted (thankfully). The US and the UK police are still going through that list and are making arrests where needed. I say where needed as unfortunately paedophiles aren't always stupid enough to use their own details and often use cloned or stolen cards. So the police have had to determine if a card has been used fraudulently first.

The point is a court order was required.

 

[oldeagleeye]

Steve. I think you are being just a bit naive when you keep talking about court orders. Certainly in today's world. There was a time for instance that MI5 needed a court order signed by the Home Secretary for very single covert operation. All that changed officially after the IRA bombings in Dockhand in 1996 but covert surveillance went on long before then and was encouraged by Maggie Thatcher. How do I know. Like many businessmen I had several companies at the time. One of them was a specialist electronics company which made covert surveillance kit and we sold it to practically every Security Service in the world. The classic scene in a spy movie where they unscrew the mouthpiece and take the voicebox out to see if there's a bug behind it. We built them inside the voicebox so all that happened was that the jerk put it back in again. We invented the first credit card transmitter which didn't need an ariel and it was used in the biggest drug bust in British history. You have heard of fishing quotas. Well - we invented infra red beepers that unknown government officials could use to tell if a fishing boat sneaked out of harbour during the night. We invented the first electric briefcase which shot 40.000 volts through a mugger if it was snatched out of your hand. All this incidentally was in 1984 and do you think that covert surveillance has gone backwards. Of course not.

As for laws. They are written down in MI5's brief which is commonly known as The Defence of the Realm protocol which basically in effect states.
To defend Britain from subversive and terrorist threats and ensure the economic stability of our country. That word economic can mean all sorts of things. Tax avoidance for one thing and given this nanny government wanting more and more control over people lives- moral issues that might undermine family values as well. I suggest you take out a subscription to Private Eye Steve because all this ain't no secret. I will however give one away - well two.

Those guys you see in the telly. They ain't called Spooks. They are known in the business as Secret Squirrels and 2. You can tell them a mile off.

The FBI. Yes - they do really wear shades even indoors and as for those button down shirts and 3 button single breasted suits. J Edgar Hoover bought a job lot in 1969 from Burtons and the Feds still got a warehouse full of them. The CIA. Same outfit but two sizes too small so their trousers don't reach the top of their Dr Martin boots. Our own MI6 or SIS. Foreign office chaps of course mainly recruited from the army hence the Saville Row suit - Camel overcoat and not black but brown brogue shoes. MI5. Same outfit but Lambeth don't have the same budget as the FO to pay high a salary. Typically £25K a year for an officer so same kit but bought from M & S. Mossad. Smartest of the lot because you simply can't beat an East London bespoke tailor and last but not least Assio. Australian Secret Service. Now these guys have to be seen to be believed. No jacket ; Sweaty and stained shirt and a great big shoulder holster big enough to hold a six pack of Fosters. Needless to say. They are not invited inside at any of the Embassy parties.
Now I think this thread has run it's course - don't you. Yes the adult toy industry is a legitimate one but as with all Internet shopping beware when using a credit card. Rob

 

[sabian1982]

To bring things back to topic.

The key for this sort of 'adult' related project is to generate good link bait essentially. Gaining links through, as a basic example, web directory submissions (unless we're talking a niche adult directory) if you can create good content, you can encourage websites to link to you. It worked rather well for the UKs leading online fetish clothing and sex toy provider, although there were obvious other bits of SEO going on at the same time etc.