A new product idea to shelf

TheYoungApprentice

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Hi everyone,

I am a 17 year old and thought of a very good product idea yesterday and the more I think about it, the more I think I should push for it to work. However, saying that, I have only got £10,000 to try and make this idea a reality.

I really would like some advice on how I go about getting this idea into development and into shop shelves.

The main areas I want help with are:
How do I deliver my idea to be developed/who do I approach to develop a prototype? I know that a disclosure agreement is a good idea when delivering my idea to potential designers since I haven't got a patent yet.

When is the best time to get a patent? After the final design? Also is there any other protection I could use for a design etc.

Once I get the prototype, how do I go about sourcing a manufacturer in China to develop a new product? Do I look for designers in China? If I get the designs and prototypes made in UK, then could I travel to China with the details provided by UK design companies to manufacture some pieces?

Also what are the costs involved in each of the processes, e.g. designing etc.

These are the main questions I have so far.

All advice will be appreciated.
 
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To get answers about when to patent you may like to talk to a patent attorney.
But of course they have a service to sell.

Still if it is a new product it may well be worth patenting earlier rather than later. I think you just need to file and for 12 months you do not have to take it further but do have protection. After that you need to decide whether to go ahead with the patent (and associated costs) or ditch it as something that won't take off. Use this year to promote it to potential customers.

There are places which will make prototypes for you to test, test market , and use to promote your product. However be very careful not to tell anyone too much until you have the patent aspect covered. You can also have an NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) between you and manufacturers.

However do some research yourself first to be sure that someone else has not also had your idea.

Hope this helps.
 
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TurricanII

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Beware exposing your idea to Chinese manufacturers/designers. I have seen a few examples on business forums of the idea being stolen and sold in competition with the originals.

It is probably impossible (and certainly expensive) to take legal action against a Chinese firm selling into the UK, even if you have patents.

Some advice has been to have the Chinese make the individual components but go with a UK or European firm for assembly/design, so you have some legal protection.
 
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Spearmint

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Hi everyone,

I am a 17 year old and thought of a very good product idea yesterday and the more I think about it, the more I think I should push for it to work. However, saying that, I have only got £10,000 to try and make this idea a reality.

I really would like some advice on how I go about getting this idea into development and into shop shelves.

The main areas I want help with are:
How do I deliver my idea to be developed/who do I approach to develop a prototype? I know that a disclosure agreement is a good idea when delivering my idea to potential designers since I haven't got a patent yet.

When is the best time to get a patent? After the final design? Also is there any other protection I could use for a design etc.

Once I get the prototype, how do I go about sourcing a manufacturer in China to develop a new product? Do I look for designers in China? If I get the designs and prototypes made in UK, then could I travel to China with the details provided by UK design companies to manufacture some pieces?

Also what are the costs involved in each of the processes, e.g. designing etc.

These are the main questions I have so far.

All advice will be appreciated.


First of all keep your idea to yourself, which is one of the fundamental requirements of a patent application. You're at the early stages; if you only came up with the idea a couple of days ago, you need to do some research into existing patents to see if the idea already exists. Take a look at the IPO website and do a search on esp@cenet to find out if your product is unique. Before you consider making a prototype you need to ask yourself is your product likely to sell, so get to know your market, will it be popular. Do your research first before you venture down the road of getting a prototype made. Depending on what your product is, and how complicated it is, will effect the cost. On that note, consider also what your potential customers will pay for the product, and what its going to cost you to make.

With regard to a patent, use a Patent Attorney, so you'll have to do your homework there too. You've a long way to go yet, so do your research thoroughly before you take the plunge. A UK patent application could cost you £4K maybe more, and if you apply for other countries the cost go up significantly.

Best of luck

You can pm me if you wish if you need further advice.
 
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TheYoungApprentice

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Dec 23, 2011
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Thanks for the great advice, Christmas got in the way but it was amazing!

I've done a few searches and my product is quite unique I believe since there are no patents which compose the specific feature of my product. Now in order to find out if there is a market for my idea, could I apply for the free 12 months IPO like someone mentioned, while I do some market research to find out the price people would want to pay for my item etc? The patent process seems tedious, and is it nessecary to have both web and paper filing? This would only cost around £230 without using a patent attorney right?

Furthermore, I would also like to apply for a design IPO since my design is innovative as well. However, saying that, since I am looking to get my product designed and manufactured at the lowest price possible, I want to get everything from designing to prototyping done in China. How could I get a design IPO in China and UK? Is there a way I could get a disclosure agreement signed by manufacturers abroad so that all my ideas are dealt in confidentiality?

Where do I look for designers/prototype manufacturers in China?

Also, a final general question about patents; if I emailed my idea to someone and they shared it, would this hinder a patent application?

Thanks again everyone.

P.S Dave, your methodology was very helpful :)
 
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I understand you wanting to do it yourself but getting a patent atourney might be critical. Without knowing your product I cannot say but I would definitely talk to one initially. It could be the biggest decision you make.

I have heard that the person who designed the adjustable workbench really won through by using a professional to write the patent as a lot of people initially tried to copy but the wording was tight.
 
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TheYoungApprentice

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I understand you wanting to do it yourself but getting a patent atourney might be critical. Without knowing your product I cannot say but I would definitely talk to one initially. It could be the biggest decision you make.

I have heard that the person who designed the adjustable workbench really won through by using a professional to write the patent as a lot of people initially tried to copy but the wording was tight.

Do you know any patent attorneys in the south east (UK) who would do a free consultation. Also, when attorneys offer free consultations, is it a good idea to get them to sign a NDA as well? Cause it may be the case that after a free consultation, that attorney may not be the right person.

Oh and is the espacenet search worldwide?
 
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Morraine

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Do you know any patent attorneys in the south east (UK) who would do a free consultation. Also, when attorneys offer free consultations, is it a good idea to get them to sign a NDA as well? Cause it may be the case that after a free consultation, that attorney may not be the right person.

Oh and is the espacenet search worldwide?

If you are in the South East of England and can get into London then i think you best and free port of call is the British library Business and intellectual property center. http://www.bl.uk/bipc/

They will get you on your way with lots of information about patents. They also have the biggest patent database with patents from all over the world in there database. Go to the site and book a free private consultation about you idea with them. There are bound not to tell anyone and they also have patent attorneys who can help. They can also help you with market research to see if your idea will sell with access to massive market research databases on site and to see what your competitors are doing and see if your idea has any market potential.

This place is the best place to get going on your own when you have a low budget and need help. They have lots of free mini courses to tech you all about different aspects of business.
 
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outventor

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You are on the best way to lose all the money and gain some knowledge.

First question you need to answer: How do you know anybody will buy your product?

There is many more that follow. There is so many pitfalls you won't believe until you actually start walking this path.

To secure the IP on your thing itself could take big chunk of 10k from you easily [attorney fees, prior art search]. And that's the money you spend EVEN before you do something useful.

Design & prototype. Depends what your product is about - quite easy in the age of outsourcing. Search "cad outsourcing", "rapid prototyping". I have been there "bought the shirt" as well, so I could probably share some knowledge.

Manufacturing = minefield. What do you know about it?

Etc, etc....
 
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Inquisitive mind

If you use an attorney that is part of the Chartered institute they are bound to confidentiality anyway so a NDA wont be an issue. I am going through similar debates with my own product development, but it seems a little further down the process.

In my opinion, protecting your idea is something you have to get right. if the business really takes off and 4 years down the road you start feeling regret for not spending an extra 2k making a watertight IPO submission (when the business is now a full time project/concern and you are turning over 180k per year...) you will feel slightly silly! If the idea is that good then you can look for funding which will seem much more appealing to an investor/the bank if you have the idea protected.
 
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kessa

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I was just about to make the same point as Inquisitive Mind above. If your idea is truely unique, it's the patent that could potentially hold (and protect) the value of your idea. If this isn't watertight, then all of the time, money and effort you spend in setting up the business, could all count for nout if it's easy for people to bypass.

I'm in the same boat as you (I'm also from the South East too).
I'm just starting out, and had the exact same questions as you a few months back. I've put together some of the info I've learnt so far (some of it I've learnt the hard way already!) which I hope may help:

1) You dont need to get an NDA signed by a Patent Attourney (just make sure they're part of CIPA first ;-) ) as they're governed by certain rules and charters.

However, just for your own peace of mind you may want to just follow up after the meeting via email with something like "Hi John, thanks for the meeting on Friday. I found it really helpful and I'll be in touch again soon", etc etc
- that way at least, you have something to confirm you had a meeting with an employee just in case you ever needed it. (hopefully you never will, but it's better to have something you never need, than need it and not have it ;))

2) Get anyone else you chat to to sign an NDA. There are loads of templates out there so what I ended up doing was reviewing about 10, and then choosing the elements I felt I needed. You can also get them done by a solicitor, but that's obviously going to cost you - you need to decide if it could be false economy not to have a watertight one though.

If you're dealing directly with a non-UK based company, that may be worth the cost.


So, the first thing I would say is have a chat with a patent attorney using their "Free consultations" which they offer - they can help give you an idea of the IP costs for your specific product, and they may also sometimes do a very quick preliminary search to see if anything jumps out right way as being a potential issue.

THEN (before you commission them to do a patent,full patent search, etc for you), I would take the advice offered above and do some initial user research.

There are lots of good online survey tools out there (survey monkey, etc) but all of these tend to either have limits, or charge. I did some digging and found a really good survey company which enabled me to do a free survey which didn't have any limit on the number of questions. (Plus, I needed some help setting up some aspects of the questionare and they were brilliant!)
I dont know if I'm allowed to link to them, but if you Google "Sensor Pro" you should be able to find it.


3) Create an online survey - make sure you don't use "leading" questions which may bias the output. This can be tricky so you really need to spend some time on this.

I trialled this inititally just on some friends and family and got some really interesting results (some of it was contrary to what I was expecting to get!)

After you've trialled this across a small sample (say, about 20-30 people), review the results and see if anything needs tweaking (i.e. how many people didn't complete the survey? did they all understand your questions or did a lot of people choose a generic "dont know" answer - if they did, you may need to retweak those questions)

Once your happpy with it - use the power of social networking to push it out to a wider audience.

Oh, and if you're getting all these people to fill in the questionaire, you may as well take the opportunity to ask them if they're happy for you to email them again in the future (dont make it compulory!!) - for those that do, you're already starting to build up a bit of a potential costumer base!)

4) Other market research - surf, surf and surf the web some more.
I've managed to find a mass of really interesting stats, etc which not only help prove the need for our product (which can help if you need to secure funding), but also, loads of additional information regarding user groups (which helps with building up an even better picture of your market) - and all of it for free - it's just costs your time and effort :)

5) Don't give everyone the full picture too early.
Again, I may have learnt this one the hard way. I tend to trust everyone; it's a bit of a floor of mine.

Long story short, even if you have an NDA in place, only provide people with enough information to help them do whatevery it is you're asking them to do. Try to hold off giving them "the bigger picture" (i.e. specs for additional future product lines, etc) until you've established a really good relationship with them.


6) Product development - Get all costs in writing no matter how much you trust the person you're speaking with - This includes your per unit costs if you have a specific value you need to hit.

I've just very nearly found this one out the hard way!

Oh, and I've heard that China isn't necessarily as cheap as it used to be, so don't be too heavily focused on getting it made in China. Do a global search for companies who will be able to help create what you need, ask for some estimates/quotes (as applicable) and then see what comes out of that. Chances are, it could still be a company in China, but at least you haven't ruled out a potentially cheaper/better supplier purely based on location.

I think that's about it for now, but I hope it helps. Good luck!
 
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I'd rather suggest you consider it and make your idea very mature and then try to design by yourself or the one you trust 100%. You can ask for a Chinese factory to produce but better to sign a serious contract with them...It is costly if you ask a factory design for you and they may have a minimum order quantity required.
 
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