The thread started out about holiday pay. It is both the law and sensible to let staff have holidays so that they are refreshed. It can help motivate and increase productivity.
As for sick pay it depends on what your contract of employment says. Many small businesses cannot afford to be generous so do not pay people who are off sick. Instead they pay Statutory Sick Pay (SSP) which is a lot less, and in any case can be claimed back from HMRC in most circumstances. Other businesses will pay up to 6 months full pay and perhaps a further 6 months at half pay. This is a staff benefit, perhaps negotiated by a union.
In ALL cases a well run business will have factored in the above costs and consider it part of the cost of employing someone.
As for sick pay it depends on what your contract of employment says. Many small businesses cannot afford to be generous so do not pay people who are off sick. Instead they pay Statutory Sick Pay (SSP) which is a lot less, and in any case can be claimed back from HMRC in most circumstances. Other businesses will pay up to 6 months full pay and perhaps a further 6 months at half pay. This is a staff benefit, perhaps negotiated by a union.
In ALL cases a well run business will have factored in the above costs and consider it part of the cost of employing someone.
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Oh sorry, we were discussing it on a UK business forum, how silly of me to think it might be UK you were talking about...
Here yes an employee can still be paid for quite some time, depending on contract it can be wages, part wages or minimum sick pay.
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JpeeL
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Why everytime I have this discussion do people always end up saying ‘you have to let staff have time off’.
At no point in my OP or anywhere in this post have I or anyone else said staff can’t have time off or a holiday.
My whole argument is that I don’t see why I should pay people in full to not be at work if they are choosing to do something else for the day/week.
You want a holiday or a night out be my guest, I’m not gonna stop them, I just don’t want to pay for it. I always ask if they were paying a decorator to do their kitchen every week and he went on holiday half way through would they still pay him for that week? Would they ****.
If people can’t afford to go on holiday or miss a days work without getting full pay for it then maybe they should look at their own way of life rather than expecting employers to bail them out.
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Places I have used decorators I have always agreed a price for the job.
If he takes a couple of days off for a holiday partway through its no extra money - nor does he lose money. Job still gets paid for and job gets done.
Perhaps your experience by employing decorators is different.
You do not have to like the laws of this country. Could always try somewhere with more suitable local laws regarding holiday pay.
Or just buy some slaves. Not being subject to the same employment laws due to being slaves....
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JpeeL
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- #128
The fact that you constantly ignore the points I’m making and instead choose to resort to extreme examples (employ slaves?), or ramble on for 3/4 of your post about decorators when it was clearly just an example, leads me to believe you can’t come up with a decent counter argument other than ‘it’s the law’.
You’ve already revealed yourself to be an employee rather than employer anyway so I don’t expect you would understand.
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You were the one who raised decorators. Then you don't want them used...
Perhaps not a great example you are finding?
And slaves because they aren't subject to the same working conditions as employees.
I have been an employer and have been an employee. Majority of my working life I've been self employed or in a partnership. And been a director 9 years.
So yes I have experience of both sides of the paying someone issue.
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Thousands of people die from the flu, there are many others who can develop problems from secondary infections caused by the flu.
If someone had a flu cure rather than some quack remedy they'd make billions from it. Or get such things as a Nobel prize, civilian awards, knighthood etc.
Perhaps he has both of those and he's slumming on here...?
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billybob99
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Thousands of people die from the flu, there are many others who can develop problems from secondary infections caused by the flu.
If someone had a flu cure rather than some quack remedy they'd make billions from it. Or get such things as a Nobel prize, civilian awards, knighthood etc.
Perhaps he has both of those and he's slumming on here...?
I guess by rambling I meant the above. Your answer is usually a very long winded example or Google search result-esqe answer, in most cases pointing out the obvious.
And to clarify I do not have the cure for the flu, what cure's my flu doesn't mean it works for everyone - but as you're always getting it, a trip to the doctors is probably advised rather than trying to find the cure.
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That wasn't rambling.
It was what we call in the trade 'a post'. Responding to someone else.
What do you think a trip to the doctors will do besides spreading the flu? He won't give me painkillers - I already have them on regular prescription. Tell me to drink plenty of fluids? Yes NHS already say that.
What else is he going to do?
If you go to the GP for the flu and you aren't in need then are you preventing someone else getting an appointment?
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JpeeL
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Your right, that doesn’t mean you can’t discuss the pros and cons of it. Just saying over and over again that ‘it’s a law’ adds nothing to the discussion.
As a reasoned argument in favour of full pay for time off work I’d expect you to list some valid points that would make those against it reconsider their position.
At best your arguments have been pedantic and therefore I conclude deep down you not only can’t justify the law but know it’s heavily biased towards the employee, you just don’t want to admit it.
And the decorator example is something I use as it’s one occasion where the employee becomes the employer and something most employees can relate to.
Yes you will probably have some pedantic reply to that but I can’t say any more, I’ve made my points and seen nothing from the pro side to make me think holiday pay is anything but a way to just keep the masses happy and **** the employer you just have to deal with it, while your at it you can deal with their pension, sick pay and we will throw in 4 VAT bills and a tax bill for good measure, hope you have enough left for electric and gas!
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I'll complain about any law that doesn't suit me at any given time, from a 30 mph speeding limit on a quiet industrial estate on a sunny evening, to not being able to murder certain relatives, slowly, with an axe.
In this case it is the ridiculous requirement to pay people to do nothing, a very apt subject to moan about when your the one paying.
In this case it is the ridiculous requirement to pay people to do nothing, a very apt subject to moan about when your the one paying.
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Slaves are so last century, or was it the century before?
Wise employers are investing in robots. They don't need holidays, breaks or any of the unjust things required when you employ humans. And you can kick them if you feel like it.
But being machines they will require maintenance, so they will throw a sickie every so often. But at least you won't have to pay them for that.
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