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CameronGetBiz

I am working with a company that is in the process of creating an online video for me. The e.g's look good and I have worked with the company before so I know a good job will be done.

I understand moving forward, more and more people shall be using online video to promote there business and I was just wondering what peoples thoughts were on this.

If you interested in seeing the example go to

http://www.amstore-interactive.co.uk/multimedia/videoproduction.html

and please let me know your thoughts.
 

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There are things about this video that annoy me considerably. There are some companies that they need to learn to write their own marketing copy and not just seek "inspiration" off of two or three of their competitors. That is not an allegation, it is just an observation of someone who researches the range of opposition in depth, and recognises occasions when passages of dialog bear a striking resemblance to other companies' copy.

Edit: I am also not a fan of the way the video is put together. Rubbish edits, and I hate blue screen for blue screen's sake. Do you really think this video gives a good reflection of the business?
 
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Considering its only £995 I think it more than does the job. The purpose of it is to be brief and give an interesting insight to the company. I feel it acheives just this. Doesn't every succesful company take inspiration of competition, isn't one of the biggest rules in business to "no the competition" and to be competitive within that market place.

There are things about this video that annoy me considerably. There are some companies that they need to learn to write their own marketing copy and not just seek "inspiration" off of two or three of their competitors. That is not an allegation, it is just an observation of someone who researches the range of opposition in depth, and recognises occasions when passages of dialog bear a striking resemblance to other companies' copy.

Edit: I am also not a fan of the way the video is put together. Rubbish edits, and I hate blue screen for blue screen's sake. Do you really think this video gives a good reflection of the business?
 
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Robert Wheeler

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There is 'inspiration' when someone creates new things fired on but the achievements of others. There is also 'inspiration' of the tongue in cheek kind exhibited in the copy in that video.

This thread slightly pre-empted one I am going to write shortly, but if people really want promo videos like that, and they are happy to pay £995 for it, I am staggered. The presenter is good. That is the only good thing I can say about it.

The challenge Customers face is getting wise to what a quality video production looks lik. Maybe more importantly, they need to spot the tell-tale signs of a production that lacks quality and that will give a poor reflection of their business.

What is more, even if a video is deemed to be cheap (and for what you have been delivered, I do not think that £995 is a good deal, although compared to the market rate for a good product it is a very good deal), what is the point of representing your company with a video that gives a poor reflection and looks shabby up against your other marketing collateral? Everything should be of a similar or better standard than your existing marketing collateral. Wait a minute, I should be careful here, or these very lines may appear in their next video...
 
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Hi,

To be more hassle free in your editing job is by keeping your manual shooting well lighted. In a green screen studio, you must have at least two lights for your background when you shoot. This will ensure an evenly toned background. Please be reminded that your subject must also be lighted so that the subject will be seen clearly. A well toned green screen background is easier to edit than uneven ones.
 
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Hi,

To be more hassle free in your editing job is by keeping your manual shooting well lighted. In a green screen studio, you must have at least two lights for your background when you shoot. This will ensure an evenly toned background. Please be reminded that your subject must also be lighted so that the subject will be seen clearly. A well toned green screen background is easier to edit than uneven ones.

Hmm, now I am curious, is this a spam-bot generated post or a genuine post? It is sort of vaguely on-topic, but the content is strangely written. It is the user's first post, but they do apparently have a full account, seeing as they have a link in their signature. And the link goes to what looks like a kosher site. But is it a backlink generator or something like that?

User - are you human?
 
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What I'm more suspicious about is that Cameron has been promoting amstore in other posts of his.... I guess trying to create leads on behalf of 'get biz'. It doesn't quite seem in the spirit of the forums to me....plus his phone number is suspiciously similar to the Amstore number, only 2 digits away.

Why not just come clean and post on here as Amstore and be honest that you're promoting your own company?
 
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Robert Wheeler

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I needed a supplier for DVD replications services late last year. I had been shopping around for a year or so, and had asked Amstore for a quote early on, and got another quote later on in the process. During that time I must have received about 40 promotional emails, and at least 15 targeted emails asking if I needed any quotes. I also had 5 or 6 phone calls.

Every time I got a quote or a call I asked for them to send me samples and I got a "oh yes, we shall stick that in the post today". It was not until very close to making the decision that I actually got one, and it was a complete joke.

They sent me a deliberately damaged promotional DVD from a previous client. In theory such DVDs are subject to copyright protection, but how much does it take to clear a few DVDs with a client for such a purpose? I wanted to test the quality of how the disc was struck, so it was completely useless. Not only that, it arrived in a really tatty damaged case with an equally tatty inlay. A really terrible example of what they produced (or come to think of it, maybe a good one).

A week or so after I had decided to go with someone else, I get another call from Amstore asking me if I needed any quotes. I said "Well don't you want to chase me up on the quote you gave me last week first?" I was pretty amazed that they were not following up properly. It just seems their campaign was based on brute force rather than quality, and if they have to go to the time and effort of showing their standards they think "we could fit another 10 sales calls in there". Anyway, I think I told them that the standard of their sample they sent me was shocking and I did not need any more quotes from them.
 
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I'm not sure these videos are very good and it seems to be very expensive.

In my experience their robotic, impersonal nature puts people off.

I understand that there should be a market for all types of video production but this is far too much to pay for this type of video.

At 99 Giants for roughly the same price we could make you a bespoke video, involving a days filming on location that reflects your business, gets your point across and people will love. Check out 99 Giants or give me a call.

I hope its not too late and I hope to hear from you soon.

Kind regards,

Christy

Tel: +44(0)208 533 6341
 
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CameronGetBiz

I used to work for Getbiz who are in the Amstore group. I now work for Amstore in the same seat with the same computer and the same telephone number. All I want is to win business and find new clients. I am sure you guys are all the same. I dont think I am doing any harm by offering my services. There are much more pressing issues in this world that people should get stressed about, war in Afgan/Iraq, State of the Economy etc etc etc. So I will say if you are looking for any CD's, DVD's or USB's please feel free to get in contact.

P.S we are specialists in custom USB's, I can send you some fantastic designs!

Cam
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0207 232 5839
 
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I needed a supplier for DVD replications services late last year. I had been shopping around for a year or so, and had asked Amstore for a quote early on, and got another quote later on in the process. During that time I must have received about 40 promotional emails, and at least 15 targeted emails asking if I needed any quotes. I also had 5 or 6 phone calls.

Every time I got a quote or a call I asked for them to send me samples and I got a "oh yes, we shall stick that in the post today". It was not until very close to making the decision that I actually got one, and it was a complete joke.

They sent me a deliberately damaged promotional DVD from a previous client. In theory such DVDs are subject to copyright protection, but how much does it take to clear a few DVDs with a client for such a purpose? I wanted to test the quality of how the disc was struck, so it was completely useless. Not only that, it arrived in a really tatty damaged case with an equally tatty inlay. A really terrible example of what they produced (or come to think of it, maybe a good one).

A week or so after I had decided to go with someone else, I get another call from Amstore asking me if I needed any quotes. I said "Well don't you want to chase me up on the quote you gave me last week first?" I was pretty amazed that they were not following up properly. It just seems their campaign was based on brute force rather than quality, and if they have to go to the time and effort of showing their standards they think "we could fit another 10 sales calls in there". Anyway, I think I told them that the standard of their sample they sent me was shocking and I did not need any more quotes from them.

Hi Robert

I am really sorry to hear about that. We offer top quality of service and yes we put in a few calls, but only to make sure our clients are satisfied.

If we are good enough to be used for companys like Sony, Warner Music and Universal then I know we can do an outstanding job for you!

I would love to work with you again in the future and I offer my sincerest apologies to you. I have had a look at your account and perhaps my colleague (who has now left us) was a bit over zealous in her approach. I can assure you this is not the case anymore.

I really hope to hear from you soon.

Regards

Cam
 
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I used to work for Getbiz who are in the Amstore group. I now work for Amstore in the same seat with the same computer and the same telephone number. All I want is to win business and find new clients. I am sure you guys are all the same. I dont think I am doing any harm by offering my services. There are much more pressing issues in this world that people should get stressed about, war in Afgan/Iraq, State of the Economy etc etc etc. So I will say if you are looking for any CD's, DVD's or USB's please feel free to get in contact.

P.S we are specialists in custom USB's, I can send you some fantastic designs!

Cam
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0207 232 5839

Thanks for coming clean, shame you thinking duping people is the way forward. I wouldn't use your services now purely because of the way you took the forum users for fools, so guessing you treat your clients with the same attitude.
 
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I used to work for Getbiz who are in the Amstore group. I now work for Amstore in the same seat with the same computer and the same telephone number.

A-ha, right, ok.

All I want is to win business and find new clients. I am sure you guys are all the same.

No, I would like to find work, do a good job and feel proud of it afterwards. Hopefully somewhere along the line I will make enough money to eat. But I would rather starve than just "win business and find new clients".

I dont think I am doing any harm by offering my services. There are much more pressing issues in this world that people should get stressed about, war in Afgan/Iraq, State of the Economy etc etc etc. So I will say if you are looking for any CD's, DVD's or USB's please feel free to get in contact.

All I hear is: "Chewbacca was from the planet Kashyyyk, but he lives on Endor. Doesn't that seem strange to you? So I will say if you are looking for any CD's, DVD's or USB's please feel free to get in contact."

If we are good enough to be used for companys like Sony, Warner Music and Universal then I know we can do an outstanding job for you!

Actually, no. One of the things I am aware of is that every now and then those companies end up recalling thousands of units from retailers because there is a replication problem. If that had happened to our first line then it would have been a critical blow to our company.

In my experience with your business, the communication seemed very one way, geared towards selling. The failure to provide samples after many requests made me think that I was not going to have much luck with actually placing my order or after sales. And while you have tried to distance the company from the agent I was dealing with, what you have done in this thread has actually reinforced that impression. I mean, no sooner have you tried to smooth over the sticky situation you found yourself in, you are trying to brashly pitch your wares again!

In a way, its hilarious, but in another, you guys will probably be trouncing me in your uptake of corporate jobs, so it is kind of sickening.
 
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CameronGetBiz

You win some, you lose some. I reckon if you spent more time selling and less time moaning about small problems that make good companies look bad, you may actually grow your business and win some of the opportunities that you are so frustrated about losing to us!

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The difference is that the Amstore group appears to invest its greatest effort into selling and branding its product, a product which in my opinion, is nothing special.

Your original post gave the impression that you were working "with" a company that made corporate video that you were satisfied with, rather than "for" the company, which you clearly were. In that post you gave an endorsement of a video that your own company produced. That isn't very honest. Actually, it is deceitful.

Some business do not depend on a mass marketing and sales campaign with a 1% conversion rate. Some businesses try to develop their client base through honest networking, word of mouth and reputation driven by the quality of their product and services. This forum is one of the places we can do that. What you did on arrival here was try to pervert that and manipulate this very useful platform. Then after you were found out, you came across as cocky and arrogant and effectively laughed and sneered at those of us who actually want our standards of work to be our highest priority.

What do you actually know about video? Do you shoot video? Or are you just a salesman?
 
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CameronGetBiz

Well what I dont know about video just isn't worth knowing. I also have a vast knowledge of CD production, DVD production and my main area of expertise is USB production.

I actually used to work for GetBiz and at that time I was working with Amstore. Not for Amstore. That meant that I was just recomending there service because I used it for one of my clients in helping them to generate leads. The video worked very well and that business generated lots of enquiries from the video Amstore produced. I am sorry you had a bad experience and I want to point you to another comment on this forum of how good our product and service was.

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=964102#post964102
 
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Well what I dont know about video just isn't worth knowing. I also have a vast knowledge of CD production, DVD production and my main area of expertise is USB production.

What does that actually mean? Can you get behind the camera and direct a shoot? Can you produce a shoot? Can you edit a video? You seem to be telling me that you can put a video on a piece of media, but at the start of this thread you were endorsing the quality of your own company's video production. So what do you actually *know* about video? How many productions have you made?

By the way I do not think anybody is buying that "Getbiz is a different company to Amstore" line, bearing mind that you have already stated there are in the same group, and that you now work for them, yet you have not even moved desk or changed you phone number.
 
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CameronGetBiz

I would love to stay here all day chatting to you Robert, but I want to continue growing my business and not waste time arguing. :)

Mr 99

What I mean by USB production is the actual creation of the USB flash drives. We do something quite unique unique with our flash memory sticks whereas we can create a USB flash drive into any shape, design or logo.

We also have dataloading in house so if ever you need movies of any size uploaded to a USB flash drive. We are in the process of creating a customized USB in the shape of a film that is released on DVD in September and we shall be putting the film on there with screen savers and other interesting pieces of information.

If you would like to hear more drop me an email at [email protected]

Regards

Cam
 
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CameronGetBiz

Call it a cop out if you like. I havent got time to tell you all my experience in video production I would be here all day!

Why dont you come and visit us here at Amstore

Amstore
Units 211 & 212
- Block J -

Tower Bridge Business Complex

100 Clements Rd -
London -

SE16 4DG

And I can show you my skills for real.

Good luck in creating new business opportunities. I think you will need it as you seem to spend way to much time on here........
 
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Cop out. You are not someone who knows all there is to know about video like you just claimed then. You are just a man who sells DVD, CD and USB replication.

Robert, it seems as if you are obsessed with down-grading and/or bad mouthing other individuals/companies. I have had a good look at your company, a good look at your business. I sense a little jealousy here.

It's clear that your business is not as successful as you would like it to be and are taking this out on other people on here for simply advertising their business. I have heard of a lot of digital media company’s, like Cameron, that operate in an umbrella fashion – with business’ that work together and work across the business – smaller companies under that umbrella closing down and opening up every day.

One other massive detail that seems to have escaped your mind, we are in a recession, people move from business to business, externally and internally – It’s natural – So if someone has previously advertised themselves under one company and then shortly after a different one, as an ‘accomplished’ business owner – I would expect you to be able to do the maths yourself. If you want to talk about misleading - and lets be detail-obsessed like you have been - on your website you claim that we can call one of your production experts (plural) yet there is a mobile number on there which is clearly yours – making out your company is bigger than it actually is. This gives the customer a false sense of security. Very poor.

Are you a shadow company that simply out sources work as soon as it comes in? You may have the knowledge, believe me I do, but the way you conduct yourself on here is a little embarrassing.
 
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Call it a cop out if you like.
Good luck in creating new business opportunities. I think you will need it as you seem to spend way to much time on here........

You just don't get it do you? You have come here seeing it as place to pitch for business and do not understand that it is a *business forum*, to some extent a community, which thrives on participation!

If you do not want your actual service picked apart, why come and participate in a public forum? Why not restrict your attempts to recruit clients to the cloistered environment of your marketing campaign?

Robert, it seems as if you are obsessed with down-grading and/or bad mouthing other individuals/companies. I have had a good look at your company, a good look at your business. I sense a little jealousy here.

Wow, this is an interesting first post Craig. And it is also and interesting observation. How did you come to the conclusion that I am obsessed with downgrading and bad mouthing other companies? Seeing as you have made a total of 1 posts in this forum, I find it hard to believe you have been tracking my comments for very long. You have not had a good look at my company, and also you have not had a good look at my business otherwise you would not have come up with the complete nonsense you come up with later in your post.

It's clear that your business is not as successful as you would like it to be and are taking this out on other people on here for simply advertising their business.

I would like my business to be more successful, that is rather obvious. What kind of Managing Director would I be if I did not want that? But also I am realistic, and I know that long term success takes a long time. What I do not like is when one of the bigger companies starts hovering about in a forum like this and starts using underhand tactics to try and elevate the status of what they are selling.

I actually respect the people in this forum because many of them have taken the time to offer advice and guidance to me when I have needed it. Therefore I will always take the time to try and respond whenever I can offer a solution or support when somebody comes here looking for guidance. If someone comes here looking for a company to produce a video, I would generally like them to hire me to do it, but failing that I would much prefer them to get someone who is going to do a good job, and I would happily advise on it. That is what you people do not seem to get, the 'community' aspect. It is nothing to do with jealousy.

I have heard of a lot of digital media company’s, like Cameron, that operate in an umbrella fashion – with business’ that work together and work across the business – smaller companies under that umbrella closing down and opening up every day.

Amstore and GetBiz have the same registered address. Cameron confirmed when challenged that he worked for both companies and shifted from one company to another without moving office, desk or phone number. In his original post he made out that Amstore was "a company that is in the process of creating an online video for me." He did not say that he worked under their umbrella, or that he worked in the same office, or that he would be soon moving to join that company (if moving is the right word). Would you not consider that he appeared to portray himself on false pretenses?


One other massive detail that seems to have escaped your mind, we are in a recession, people move from business to business, externally and internally – It’s natural – So if someone has previously advertised themselves under one company and then shortly after a different one, as an ‘accomplished’ business owner – I would expect you to be able to do the maths yourself. If you want to talk about misleading - and lets be detail-obsessed like you have been - on your website you claim that we can call one of your production experts (plural)yet there is a mobile number on there which is clearly yours – making out your company is bigger than it actually is. This gives the customer a false sense of security. Very poor.

Yes it is a mobile number, and yes it is mine. It helps when receiving calls if you own the number you advertise. We are a small and young business. But we do have more than one person who is a production expert. I am not telling fibs there. I take calls in the first instance, but if I am unavailable, I can redirect the number to my business partner who is a Director qualified from the New York Film Academy and trained under Paul Wheeler (no relation to me) the prominent BBC director. Our first commercial retail release "The Angel and Daniel Johnston..." was critically acclaimed, gaining rare five star reviews in Record Collector and Review Pop Moderne, which is more than can be said about most big label releases. Yes, we are production experts.

But have you not figured it out yet? Sneering at me for being in an opening phase of my business is not going to impress many people here, where you will find congregating representatives of independent businesses of all stages, including those who aspire to own and run a business?

Are you a shadow company that simply out sources work as soon as it comes in?
Obviously not. In fact we can do everything in the production of an actual video.

You may have the knowledge, believe me I do, but the way you conduct yourself on here is a little embarrassing.

That is your opinion. I'd like to say something about the way you conduct yourself, but seeing as you have only made one post, there is not enough source material to make a judgment.
 
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Robert, it seems as if you are obsessed with down-grading and/or bad mouthing other individuals/companies. I have had a good look at your company, a good look at your business. I sense a little jealousy here.

It's clear that your business is not as successful as you would like it to be and are taking this out on other people on here for simply advertising their business. I have heard of a lot of digital media company’s, like Cameron, that operate in an umbrella fashion – with business’ that work together and work across the business – smaller companies under that umbrella closing down and opening up every day.

One other massive detail that seems to have escaped your mind, we are in a recession, people move from business to business, externally and internally – It’s natural – So if someone has previously advertised themselves under one company and then shortly after a different one, as an ‘accomplished’ business owner – I would expect you to be able to do the maths yourself. If you want to talk about misleading - and lets be detail-obsessed like you have been - on your website you claim that we can call one of your production experts (plural)yet there is a mobile number on there which is clearly yours – making out your company is bigger than it actually is. This gives the customer a false sense of security. Very poor.

Are you a shadow company that simply out sources work as soon as it comes in? You may have the knowledge, believe me I do, but the way you conduct yourself on here is a little embarrassing.

Congratulations on cheapening your company even further Amstore. I appreciate times are tough, but you'd be better off asking the moderators to delete all your posts and start again posting upfront and honestly as Amstore, rather than continuing with this proposterous charade. Don't forget search engines will be picking up on everything written here. Especially when people search for Amstore.
 
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CameronGetBiz

Congratulations on cheapening your company even further Amstore. I appreciate times are tough, but you'd be better off asking the moderators to delete all your posts and start again posting upfront and honestly as Amstore, rather than continuing with this proposterous charade. Don't forget search engines will be picking up on everything written here. Especially when people search for Amstore.

What are you talking about, I have stopped arguing with this guy.

And I understand about the Search Engines as well though.
 
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Its my personal opinion that this thread is slightly spoiled now, we are meant to be discussing online video production and these posts are really not helping anyone.

I am new to this forum but I'm guessing this isn't what you want to use it for. I have started a new thread called "Things to watch out for when making your web video."

I welcome you all to read it and join in in positive debate.

Sorry if this post is out of line , its just I really wanted to discuss Video issues.

Kind regards,

Christy
 
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Its my personal opinion that this thread is slightly spoiled now, we are meant to be discussing online video production and these posts are really not helping anyone.

I am new to this forum but I'm guessing this isn't what you want to use it for. I have started a new thread called "Things to watch out for when making your web video."

I welcome you all to read it and join in in positive debate.

Sorry if this post is out of line , its just I really wanted to discuss Video issues.

Kind regards,

Christy

Good job Christy!
 
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Robert Wheeler

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What are you talking about, I have stopped arguing with this guy.

And I understand about the Search Engines as well though.

I think he aimed the comment at Amstore in general. Doesn't Craig Davis work for Amstore?

Hang on, let my paste whatever happens to be in my clipboard:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/craig-davies/10/372/728

Hello, what is this? Craig Davis appears to be a sales manager at Amstore!!! Well fancy that!!!
 
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Its my personal opinion that this thread is slightly spoiled now, we are meant to be discussing online video production and these posts are really not helping anyone...

Hi Christy,

I think there is value in your new thread, but you have to appreciate that this thread was started on false pretenses, and it has taken a considerable number of weeks for the penny to drop that the original poster was being a little deceitful in his approach. It would not have been right to continue a serious discussion on corporate video in this thread, especially when I think it is likely to get locked at any moment!

Robert Wheeler
 
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Robert Wheeler

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and your point is robert?!

Well, you came along as if you just wandered in off of the internet, with no vested interest, and then started a rather feeble attempt to slate me and my business, then referred to Cameron's company as if it was a third party, and yet you never declared that you are a sales manager in that very same company. Then after Jon referred to the ongoing "proposterous charade" Amstore was participating in on this forum, Cameron came along and said:

What are you talking about, I have stopped arguing with this guy...

Which seems to suggest he had somehow overlooked the aforementioned debut post which you, his colleague, had written, and had aimed at me.

So what do you think the point is?
 
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