Surf holidays

[Ali-v-8]

I have had a client who deals with surfing holidays in morocco. After 4 months I have 19 of his 20 terms on page one of google.
I have the last term surf holidays which keeps dancing around page one of .com but wont go on page one of .co.uk.
It has stopped on page 2.

Now i'm getting annoyed with it because i feel i'm missing the obvious. :redface:

Could i borrow a pair of eyes and find out if its the obvious.

click the surf holidays link below and advise please.

 

I have had a client who deals with surfing holidays in morocco. After 4 months I have 19 of his 20 terms on page one of google.
I have the last term surf holidays which keeps dancing around page one of .com but wont go on page one of .co.uk.
It has stopped on page 2.

Now i'm getting annoyed with it because i feel i'm missing the obvious. :redface:

Could i borrow a pair of eyes and find out if its the obvious.

click the surf holidays link below and advise please.

Maybe you might like to look at one of mine for a few tips.

http://www.purevacations.com/

Now ain't I kind.

Earl

 

[newsvend]

Looking over your code, the keyword seems in be in all the right places on the home page. I think you'd benefit from building up the numbers of internal and external links to the page using 'surf holidays' anchor text.

Btw, we own SurfingNews.com, planned for development after the summer.. I'm sure we could help with a story or two

 

[Ali-v-8]

Thank you Sir Earl,
Realised what is up.
Nice positions on your surfing site.
how long did it take for you to get that there.

 

[david64]

I'm just surprised this surf site doesn't have anywhere near as many links as your SEO site.

 

[IainW]

Maybe you might like to look at one of mine for a few tips.

http://www.purevacations.com/

Now ain't I kind.

Earl

I don't know who wrote the content on the home page but i feel the content is stuffed too full with the "surfing" and "surf" keywords.

We all say content is king and that it must be written for the customer not search engines but I found the text very obvious that it was keyword stuffed.

The meta, title, description and so on are fine, but for first page content..hmmm

Iain

 

[Tin]

There's more than one way to play with content from an seo perspective and this is one of those ways. It's not to my taste personally as I like to talk to the visitor in a more subtle way but it's not keyword stuffed if you take the content as being the entire copy throughout the page and not just the first segment of copy. The content keywords that are doing the work are focussed into the prime areas of content rather than spread or diversified through the entire page which gives it an initial appearance of being keyword heavy

But, as long as it works (and it does) what the hell!

 

Thank you Sir Earl,
Realised what is up.
Nice positions on your surfing site.
how long did it take for you to get that there.

Oh a few weeks many years ago,

was No1 for many years.

built on the back of oceanfever.net and a lot of other surf sites we had.

Wes was a radio surf commentator and kept mentioning the bleeding site.

Earl

 

[IainW]

There's more than one way to play with content from an seo perspective and this is one of those ways. It's not to my taste personally as I like to talk to the visitor in a more subtle way but it's not keyword stuffed if you take the content as being the entire copy throughout the page and not just the first segment of copy. The content keywords that are doing the work are focussed into the prime areas of content rather than spread or diversified through the entire page which gives it an initial appearance of being keyword heavy

But, as long as it works (and it does) what the hell!

It may not be keyword stuffed but it's pushing it to "exhausted use of keywords".
The keywords may be in the correct position of the content but as a customer reading the first couple of paragraphs of heavy keyword use I'd be off visiting another site.

You don't know it works Tin, it may get hits but does it convert? Sirearl was only highlighting to me last week that companies hire SEO people to make money not more visitors.
Maybe your answer is because Sirearl was involved in the site and he's too big a fish to fry if anyone else had shown the site as an example you'd all be criticising it.

Iain

 

[calciumtech]

Hi Ali,

I am the developer of Purevacations.com and have been doing SEO since '94 for whats it worth, back when only a few of us about. In short its very difficult with th echanges going on with Google to get it right.

Not sure why my old buddy Sir Earl said its his work... nothing to do with the old geezer, but never less, no hard feelings on that front.

Is your client UK based site, i.e. on a UK server would be ideal and important, this will make the difference with google (UK Version) etc...

I have a lot of tricks of the trade, and I just relaunched the purevacations website on 11th May. It will now undergo a major SEO campaign to regain a lot of its old positioning it lost through me not actually touching it much in 5 years.

If you give me the domain you are having trouble with I will have a quick glance over it for you, I might see something silly, but I am sure it is only something small.

 

[Tin]

Hi Iain

It may not be keyword stuffed but it's pushing it to "exhausted use of keywords".

I can't disagree with you from an 'appearance' point of view but whether it's an "exhausted use of keywords" from a search engines point of view then I'd say that as long as it's got productive and worthwhile rankings then it's not exhausted.

The keywords may be in the correct position of the content but as a customer reading the first couple of paragraphs of heavy keyword use I'd be off visiting another site.

Me too! But not everyone will feel that way and those that do will hang around and maybe do something useful on the site.

You don't know it works Tin, it may get hits but does it convert?

That's two different points (although closely related)...
1] it clearly does work in terms of rankings as it's got them where it matters.... and
2] whether it works in terms of conversion I can't say as it isn't my site. I'm fully aware of the subtleties and 'frailties' involved in the buying chain but have enough of an open mind to accept that there's lots of sites out there that defy all the accepted criteria for successful transactions yet do extremely well.

Maybe your answer is because Sirearl was involved in the site and he's too big a fish to fry if anyone else had shown the site as an example you'd all be criticising it.

Who's talking about 'frying someone'? I'm certainly not! I'm saying it as I see it, simple! This forum's about input/advice/help... not about frying someone.

Earl knows the seo industry extremely well and this is borne out by his results, however, if a lesser experienced member had made the same points as Earl then I'd have replied the same way.

Ray

 

[IainW]

Hi Iain



I can't disagree with you from an 'appearance' point of view but whether it's an "exhausted use of keywords" from a search engines point of view then I'd say that as long as it's got productive and worthwhile rankings then it's not exhausted.



Me too! But not everyone will feel that way and those that do will hang around and maybe do something useful on the site.



That's two different points (although closely related)...
1] it clearly does work in terms of rankings as it's got them where it matters.... and
2] whether it works in terms of conversion I can't say as it isn't my site. I'm fully aware of the subtleties and 'frailties' involved in the buying chain but have enough of an open mind to accept that there's lots of sites out there that defy all the accepted criteria for successful transactions yet do extremely well.



Who's talking about 'frying someone'? I'm certainly not! I'm saying it as I see it, simple! This forum's about input/advice/help... not about frying someone.

Earl knows the seo industry extremely well and this is borne out by his results, however, if a lesser experienced member had made the same points as Earl then I'd have replied the same way.

Ray

Agree with everything you said there Tin.

About frying someone "it's a terminology" and I am fully aware of what a forum is about as I try and help as much as I can on this one, I suppose it makes me laugh that every time sirearl writes a post or a thread whether is correct or not there are a few folk who have to thank him endlessly - i think it's to self promote themselves or get chummy with him.

I know sirearl is supposed to know SEO well and I'm not doubting that.

Iain

 

[calciumtech]

Maybe you might like to look at one of mine for a few tips.

Now ain't I kind.

Earl

Earl, I am rather annoyed that you have said that my work both at PureVacations and with Oceanfever websites etc... was yours, you know damn well it you have had NOTHING to do with any of these other than a few minutes when I was showing you years ago a few tricks of how to do SEO.

Now its only because I hold you a high regard that I will not go super mad at you my old friend, but you have upset me , I worked very hard to get number 1 positions in arge popular searches and that was before 99% of people even knew what optimisation was.

You owe me big time now for this, I know you are super popular on this forum, but the your old master is back in town now , as I am now offering full SEO with my Calcium Technologies now that I have finished developing some software for my other brand Scott Calvin Technologies.

Pop round for a cup of tea and and an apology old man and I might forgive you, hope all the family is ok, but please, please, please DO NOT LIVE OFF MY SUCCESS and WORK, I was rather hurt over this, to claim someone elses work is yours is a cheap shot and I am disappointed. However I hope it was a one off and you did not mean anything.

Some very interesting points on this forum and I look forward to getting engaged in them in due course.

Anyway on another note PureVacations is going up for sale soon as part of another co-operative site that I have built in conjunction. I am not sure if you have seen the present site, but I only relaunched it on 11 May 2009 and its using my very own design and programmed CMS (Content Management System). The reason I have not been about is I have been very busy programming old chap.

Wesley

 

Earl, I am rather annoyed that you have said that my work both at PureVacations and with Oceanfever websites etc... was yours, you know damn well it you have had NOTHING to do with any of these other than a few minutes when I was showing you years ago a few tricks of how to do SEO.



Wesley

Wesley when I said mine I meant I was responsible for the Initial SEO.

How many times did you beg me not to overtake your site in the rankings with one of mine.?

How many times did I advise you on SEO for the site.?

How many times have you asked me to do SEO for you.?

Now lets have the truth laddie.

Bleeding cheek you teach me SEO ,do you want me to mention when you took the wiz kid on who did your SEO and sent you down the drain.



Earl

 

[calciumtech]

Earl,

You are treading on very thin ice.

You never did any initial SEO on my site, the site was live before you even knew about SEO.

Your site at Whitstable Scene was using my old coding and still does that I gave you from Oceanfever, to help the rankings old chap. I asked you to optimize your site better because you were grabbing customers of mine through hidden pages on lower searches, you have never been above me on any SEO and to apply otherwise is a joke.

You have mastered you SEO well I give you credit for that, but you run off the success of an original roject at whitstablescene. Now Pure Vacations web is self sufficient on SEO and always has been, I seem to remember you calling me telling me to help when you dropped on Google and Yahoo and you needed some help to get you back, so I gave you that help.

I asked for you to help repay a favour once when my site came under attack from new systems with SEO in place and more competitors, I just needed your site to build a bit of energy.

The fact is old geezer you and I have taken different routes, but we have now met on the same line again, which is not a bad thing, its a fun thing, but the reality is your involvement has been minimal and never major. That fool that I employed was a twallop that is correct and my head was away with the fairys doing other project work, but I have turned the sites all round single hand and now have software titles programmed I even have a full Content Management System that I designed and that I ran through assistance with Google and is SEF URL's capacity (Search Engine Friendly, in case you are not aware).

I am not having a dig, you do good work, I am saying that its 100% TOTALLY wrong for you to claim a miss-truth, you never even knew about SEO until way into this decade.

Anyway no hard feelings old laddy, I just would like an apology over claiming or at least the wording claiming you developed and SEO's my sites. I canprove it by the way as I have something hidden on the site that you can not see at all, not even cracking into it, and it was on the original site, it makes all the difference on SEO.... but its secret

If you remember I told you last time you came round and mentioned Jeff's death that it was there, that is why I would not really let you fiddle with the South Africa page.

Lets not argue, no point, just please be more receptive in the future I will not have any issue with you, it was upsetting to read your words, that is what had me crazy!

 

Anyway no hard feelings old laddy, I just would like an apology over claiming or at least the wording claiming you developed and SEO's my sites. I canprove it by the way as I have something hidden on the site that you can not see at all, not even cracking into it, and it was on the original site, it makes all the difference on SEO.... but its secret

P1ss off Wesley you knew nothing about SEO and I spent time teaching you.

And did you not ask me not to overtake you in the rankings.?

You ain't got nothing hidden on your site except maybe more bullsh1t.

something which I will admit you are an expert at.

but not as good as the yanks who conned you out of 30k because your ego would not let you see the truth.

Earl

 

[calciumtech]

You have crossed the line... broken through the ice, now I am very disappointed in you. That is a spiteful comment about a business mistake that actually ended up being $117,000 so get your facts right and it was buying into a node for Seen Network Inc at the time. Yellow Pages lost $670,000 and Warner Brothers $900,000 so dont try passing that off.

You are getting too personal, which must mean you are either delusional or I have hit a very big nerve and you know it.

I am in my right to say "how dare you claim to use my websites that are well built" as your promotional tool. That is wrong, and I simply pointed this out. For a fact its a small bit of coding that helps with sitemaps, and its hidden on the server, so go and shove that where the sun don't shine! "of course you know that, because you reckon you did the SEO on the site". Which we know you did not.

I have one thing to say... "A wise man thinks what a wise man says but a wise man says what a wise man thinks!".

I came on this site after someone told me today that some bloke was claiming SEO of the new and old site. That is how I found this forum, when I found it was you, it broke my heart that you would do that to me, I have only ever been kind to you. Now you attack me personally and use language, all I asked for was an apology just to correct the posting and say that you had not done anything to the site other than maybe fiddled with one page a couple years ago, and having some fun chats. I do accept that we had some chats on the phone, but your advice was already what I had, and I had just hoped that you had something more, plus you were my old partner in crime.

I am not going to say anymore, I know the truth, you are good at SEO, and you know I am as well, you know my sites are great and you know I have been online and doing this LONG before you. I know you claim to be the best in the world, and you may well be (but I know what i have achieved and am capable of). You did not need to take it this far, just a "sorry, mate was being cheeky" would have been good enough for me.

Disappointed

 

[Ali-v-8]

thanks for the offer but i have got the information i needed off sirearl.
but if you have any spare time and suggestions please click the link surf holidays and post your thoughts.

 

[SFD]

Hmm, interesting!

 

[calciumtech]

Hi,

Yes know these guys, nice set up, and had noticed they were getting higher on the rankings for sure, so good work.

If you need any help at all, just drop me a note, this is an area that I really know well, as one of my old travel companies was the largest surf travel companies to Morocco, taking 7,000 surfers. It looks like you have done a great job however.

Well done.

 

[calciumtech]

Hmm, interesting!

Glad you enjoyed the friendly banter. All unnecessary of course.

Still glad we made you happy.

 

[Ali-v-8]

Hi,

Yes know these guys, nice set up, and had noticed they were getting higher on the rankings for sure, so good work.

If you need any help at all, just drop me a note, this is an area that I really know well, as one of my old travel companies was the largest surf travel companies to Morocco, taking 7,000 surfers. It looks like you have done a great job however.

Well done.

Thank you.

I would like to point out that "I DID IT ALL" "ME" "NO ONE ELSE"
I'm going to hit page one soon.
Its already been on page one on .com

Although i'm upset that sir earl is not really Morgan Freeman. Who are you really earl
May be your just a meeeeeeeer mortal like elvis presily

 

[calciumtech]

Thank you.

I would like to point out that "I DID IT ALL" "ME" "NO ONE ELSE"
I'm going to hit page one soon.
Its already been on page one on .com

Although i'm upset that sir earl is not really Morgan Freeman. Who are you really earl
May be your just a meeeeeeeer mortal like elvis presily

Sir Earl is a good bloke, just upset me a lot last night.

Glad you also did it yourself, brilliant work, make sure that it stays that way though (tongue in cheek!)

 

[calciumtech]

Remember there is a whole new set of guidelines now for Google... the playing field has changed again, it is now time to take stock, review and gently adjust. I noticed some of our rankings dropped and incresed in other areas, so have been carefully moving things round.

 

[IainW]

Calciumtech - so can you confirm that the website example that sirearl used was not his work? if so this is a fraudulent claim?

Sirearl - can you confirm whether you did the work or not? you give the impression you did the work.

 

[calciumtech]

I can confirm 100% that PureVacations.com and its former sites Purevacations.co.uk and Purevacations.travel and Purevacations.biz had nothing to do with Sir Earl. NEVER!

Sir Earl once asked me for some help and came to my office and i showed him some stuff, we also discussed other matters as well, and he showed me some of his discoveries but at NO TIME did Sir Earl get his hands on my sites in this respect, and yes it is Fraudulent (although that is a heavy word), I would have taken real action had it not been Sir Earl, he is what I thought was a good friend...

I can confirm that I once asked him to give some advice to a former employee as I was too busy with other projects, but they never did meet or discuss stuff, and I can also confirm 100% that he came to my house when I was losing the travel business and losing some rankings, not thinking straight some 20+ months ago, and he had a look and changed some things on teh South Africa page, then 2 weeks later that page dropped lower and I made changed getting it back to above where it was - that is also a fact.

Earl is good at what he does, I am not discrediting him at all, and his advice is first rate in most cases I have read on here last night, but the fact is he had NOTHING to do with PureVacations.com at early start up, or at later stages other than a few chats, and I can also confirm that he was involved in a previous project of mine, freelance type thing in the old dot.com days of the 90's and he helped load a about 20 pages, but that is all, he also took some of my work and placed it on his site, which then helped him.

Another thing he often asked me to help his sites by linking to it etc... and helping get its ranking up because he was have some issues. He knows a lot of stuff, that is not in question, what my issue was he never ever did any such SEO on my sites, I would not let him near them in that respect.

I think his reaction to me says it all. I did nothing other than say "don't claim its your site when you did nothing to it", I was only looking for a kind of apology in any shape or form, I was as shocked as you by his attack on me. How dare he attack someone who has been a friend. I would not claim any of his sites are mine at all, they are not, I would never even think of that.

He can say what he wants in reply, the facts are very simple, the site has been mine from day one, still remains the property of me and is leased to one of my other companies and I just redesigned it, so it can be tested with a new software, which is brilliant that I designed and programmed and now I will be selling it in due course.

 

[calciumtech]

Calciumtech - so can you confirm that the website example that sirearl used was not his work? if so this is a fraudulent claim?

Sirearl - can you confirm whether you did the work or not? you give the impression you did the work.

I had a customer look up some of our work yesterday and then must of done a search and then they found the forum post from Earl on the new google search method and said that we were try to cheat them and they would not work with us, that is how all this came about, I was furious as it was an ongoing job for my staff worth a lot of money.

So that is why I am super angry at Sir Earl he has now cost the business money! and I have a right. Anyway thats the facts.

 

[Ali-v-8]

I had a customer look up some of our work yesterday and then must of done a search and then they found the forum post from Earl on the new google search method and said that we were try to cheat them and they would not work with us, that is how all this came about, I was furious as it was an ongoing job for my staff worth a lot of money.

So that is why I am super angry at Sir Earl he has now cost the business money! and I have a right. Anyway thats the facts.

google is releasing four new changes.
So which one do you refer to.

 

[calciumtech]

google is releasing four new changes.
So which one do you refer to.

Just talking about the multi search option actually, its an interesting challenge to see how you can really deep link the site and to keep it regular, its going to be fun. I would say in many ways that SEO is going to become the most valued area of business for any company - it should be anyway but now it looks destined to be.

What a challenge but fun... Anyway back to the grind.

 

[Ali-v-8]

Just talking about the multi search option actually, its an interesting challenge to see how you can really deep link the site and to keep it regular, its going to be fun. I would say in many ways that SEO is going to become the most valued area of business for any company - it should be anyway but now it looks destined to be.

What a challenge but fun... Anyway back to the grind.

have you just made that up.

 

[Ali-v-8]

just so that you know Kwat's were 2 year ago. The implementation of them by googlies algorithm has only just been done this last quarter.
Hence anchor links in websites being cached and listed.

But how would googles NEW search changes be affected by this

 

[calciumtech]

have you just made that up.

Nope, I am referring to the Show Options area of Google now that totally will change how we have to think of SEO, in many ways.

You may like to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtirDMfcOKE that might show you what I am on about. In your case with Surf Berebere you should be able to accommodate that well actually, as they are very pro-active and I am 100% sure you can tell them to keep constantly aware of the changes.

:redface:

 

[calciumtech]

Web Options have the potential to impact SEO by offering a much wider range of ways to find information. Whether or not they will may have to do with whether or not searchers will take the time to click on the 'show options' link, and explore the many new ways that they can find what they may be looking for. So now you know what to look for, I hope its been of some help, now gotta get on with a job I have to finish on some software I have made.

Yipeeeeeee

 

[Ali-v-8]

Well i have to say this was an interesting thread.

 

[calciumtech]

Yeah was rather and unexpected I am sure.

Anyway, I liked your work, I may give you a job or two actually in due course, I have far too much on and we I have some sites that I need to do some SEO on and just have not got the man power or hours free to do it. I think you would enjoy them as well. I will keep your details on file.

Sorry about hijacking your post, was not meant to happen, just got a little upset, as indeed you would.

 

[Ali-v-8]

Yeah was rather and unexpected I am sure.

Anyway, I liked your work, I may give you a job or two actually in due course, I have far too much on and we I have some sites that I need to do some SEO on and just have not got the man power or hours free to do it. I think you would enjoy them as well. I will keep your details on file.

Sorry about hijacking your post, was not meant to happen, just got a little upset, as indeed you would.

in all fairness you were a bit harsh!!

He didn't really say what his involvement was until you bit him in the A s s.

but yes i do white label our services

 

[IainW]

He didn't really say what his involvement was until you bit him in the A s s.

True, but you did presume it was all of it, as you thanked him and said you had got what you'd needed.

Even you must feel a bit conned.

I questioned the amount of keywords and phrases on the home page which didn't make good reading and possibly not a typical sirearl job - not that we've seen to many.

 

[calciumtech]

in all fairness you were a bit harsh!!

He didn't really say what his involvement was until you bit him in the A s s.

but yes i do white label our services

Well its depends on the scale of it. I lost a contract because of him, and it was a nice one, so I have a member of staff who has lost some commission over it and is not happy. I am now having to speak with the customer later today in the USA and try and sort the issue. Secondly he said it was his site and other factors, so "yes" I might have seen harsh but in reality I was just totally shocked. I mean whats next, I claim your site is done by me, because I have mentioned something... where does it stop Ali. I felt betrayed, then he took it personal, and that was confidential, and now in doing so crossed a line that friends dont cross, ever!!! So not really harsh, I think I have been good not to take it further.

I just wanted an apology, and then I was going to look into a way to clear this mess up, but that did not come. Its over with now, he can get on with what he is doing and me with what I am, water under a bridge.

Just disappointed, I have lost a friend of 10 years and someone I held in high regard also. He even came to my son's christening, thats how much I respected Sir Earl. So it hurt!

 

[IainW]

Just talking about the multi search option actually, its an interesting challenge to see how you can really deep link the site and to keep it regular, its going to be fun. I would say in many ways that SEO is going to become the most valued area of business for any company - it should be anyway but now it looks destined to be.

And it's the customers that contact you that realize this, customers that don't know are missing a trick, how can we get the message over to them?

 

[calciumtech]

And it's the customers that contact you that realize this, customers that don't know are missing a trick, how can we get the message over to them?

Now thats a hard one, I just see the SEO role becoming major, but also having big implications as well with in software long term. When you add the likes of Twitter into the equasion that we are now actively doing work on and other factors it feels like we are entering an era not unlike before the dot.com bubble, when suddenly everyone is realising that live active search is happening now, as a software develop, I am seeing so many opportunities but also so many scary things that need to be thought about, its like brain overload for me at present.

You could rank number 1 in natural old fashion search but in real time you may not even be 10,000! so its about constant live interactive sites, always on the go, always changing, this would mean SEO strategy constantly evolving, CMS systems that integrate with this and so much more... Exciting dont you think?

I was chatting to someone the other day who was slow on the uptake, I just said to this company that if you can't see it then you are in the wrong business (he was an online web design business). The keys for you guys and even me and my outfits is to now look for the platforms that will enable us to move to the next level. Its a new fish full ocean, not like the present ocean where the fish are harder to find. Those fish that get in FIRST, will become FAT AND HUGE FISH and that is my aim and it should be yours also I reckon.

Anyway, thats my passion coming out, now you see it!