At last - Clean air!

[Pet Nanny]

Thank goodness common sense has prevailed and I will be able to enjoy a drink or meal without having smoke blown into my face.

Sorry to all you smokers out there, but we have our rights too. (me thinks I have just opened up a can of worms lol)

Nina

 

One or two have differing opinoins...

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=36870

Personally, as a smoker I do not care. We have managed to get the ban implemented in N Ireland and it is working out ok. There will be a pub or two shut as a result, but the others will gain from this and it will balance itself out. Workplaces will be more pleasant and less people can cry about their smoking-related diseases gained by passive smoking.

One thing that has not been ever mentioned. A heck of a lot of the statistics being used about people having smoking-related diseases, yet they did not smoke are a load of baloney. Some of these are caused by Car exhaust fumes, chimneys, factories, etc. Nobody seems to give a stuff about these, but maybe a ban on them might be good to

Nobody is worrying too much that the head of the Health Promotion Agency went onto Panaorama a while ago to express his worries about the WiFi networks being implemented into schools and the radiation it caused. No-one is worried about the overall effects of mobile phones. When it is finally established that prolonged use can harm you, are we going to ask the people who use them most to cough up more for the NHS?

The smoking ban is just and fair - but don't lay all of the countries health problems at the door of the smokers. It is correct that anyone who smokes does not have the right to make others smoke. This is not infringing on a smokers right, more upholding the rights of the non-smoker.

I'm off to have strong black coffee and a cigarette

 

[pash]

I was a smoker and gave up when i was pregnant with my daughter, after she was born i got so big i started again and lost all the weight. Then i got pregnant with my son and gave again but this time i stuck to my guns and i still dont smoke ( been 5 1/2 years now ) but i have gotten sooooooo big, its depressing! Im bigger than i was when i was 9 months pregnant, and i was huge then!
The smoking in the air did put me off taking my children out to eat, but now we can so im happy.

 

[Pet Nanny]

I was also a smoker, and got a terrible cough. I was also wheezing and felt awful. I vowed to give up, and did so 15 years ago. I thank God, as I honestly do not believe that I would be here now.

Of course smokers have a right to smoke if they so wish, but PLEASE think about the people who do not smoke. That is all we ask, and I cannot wait to go and have a nice meal without coughing my heart out.

Nina
p.s. you only put on weight since you are looking for a substitute. I also put on a stone in weight as a result of eating too many sweets. My weight is now back to normal.

 

[Dawg]

Pet Nanny,

I'm totally with you on clean air and smoking. However we could take things a bit further. My article on Dog flatulence will help all those who deal with dogs have a happier, less stressful and less nasally challenged life!

Unashamed plug, (and bad pun!)

 

I agree - I used to have a dog who was banned from all things with chocolate

Funny enough, he didn't smoke either.

 

[Astaroth]

See this is the bit that annoys me.... the majority of people dont smoke. Many none smokers like on here say how great it will be to be able to go to smoke free pubs/ restaurants. If this is actually the case why dont smoke free places exist in their masses already? There claims to be a very large market out there and yet only a tiny number of places that cater for them, and those also tend on the whole to be doing very badly.

So why have you non-smokers required the law to be changed rather than using the normal power of the wallet?

As a smoker I have to say that I am not actually that bothered as I dont like the smell of smoke any more than anyone else, never smoke in the home, used to going outside when working and as I visit scotland frequently used to going out when drinking - it has created a great atmostsphere outside pubs/ clubs and a lot of non-smokers actually go outside now too.

 

[Pet Nanny]

It is not the non smokers that have implemented this law, it is the medical profession.

Nina

 

[Gillie]

See this is the bit that annoys me.... the majority of people dont smoke. Many none smokers like on here say how great it will be to be able to go to smoke free pubs/ restaurants. If this is actually the case why dont smoke free places exist in their masses already? There claims to be a very large market out there and yet only a tiny number of places that cater for them, and those also tend on the whole to be doing very badly.

So why have you non-smokers required the law to be changed rather than using the normal power of the wallet?

As a smoker I have to say that I am not actually that bothered as I dont like the smell of smoke any more than anyone else, never smoke in the home, used to going outside when working and as I visit scotland frequently used to going out when drinking - it has created a great atmostsphere outside pubs/ clubs and a lot of non-smokers actually go outside now too.

Because without legislation you will always have a small group who will ruin it for the others, so by trying to enforce this, and we are told it will be, as has been done in the rest of the UK, then non smoking eating places will be enjoyable once again.

And actually the legislation came into effect due to the lobbying powers of the cancer charities.

 

[Astaroth]

how can they ruin it for others? I have been in several non-smoking pubs and many non-smoking restaurants and people dont smoke in them. The pubs were almost dead all evening though when all the neighboring places were heaving. Seems that contrary to all the postering of none smokers werent wanting to put their money into the great smelling non-smoking pubs either.

 

[Gillie]

Ruin it for others, means, that you will get one smoker who will insist on smoking even with the no smoking signs in place that have been there for quite a while already ... they are the ones that force others to take a stand, as they deem not to notice signs, and deem to flout requests not to. It is their pigheadedness and total ignorance and lack of respect that force non smokers to get on their high horses about being able to enjoy fresh air.

And yes, I do speak from experience ... when there is a sign saying no drinking in public places, ie high streets, I dont!! At least you are allowed to smoke in High Street in town centres still!

Hey that aint fair ... come on all your drinkers ... if they can smoke and moan about infringement of their civil liberties, I am going to moan too ... after all, there is always something to moan and whinge at if you put your mind to it!!

 

[Pet Nanny]

I beg to disagree. The non smoking pubs I attend, are all family pubs and always busy. That is except for week days, but even then, there are still occupied tables.

Nina

 

Thank goodness common sense has prevailed and I will be able to enjoy a drink or meal without having smoke blown into my face.

Quite right to,instead you can have fumes from Alcohol and cars,and have the pleasure of listening to the inane conversation of mobile phone users,not to mention screaming kids.

I'll stick with me fish and chips to go

 

[Astaroth]

I beg to disagree. The non smoking pubs I attend, are all family pubs and always busy. That is except for week days, but even then, there are still occupied tables.

Nina

then the question remains. If you can have successful run non-smoking pubs and there is a demand for them why not have the option to have both and then someone can decide if they want to go into a non-smoking or smoking pub?

 

[KM-Tiger]

then the question remains. If you can have successful run non-smoking pubs and there is a demand for them why not have the option to have both and then someone can decide if they want to go into a non-smoking or smoking pub?

Sorry, but that's much too simple for the neo-fascists that are now prevailing. It involves concepts like tolerance of minorities, and on the other other hand the need to instil the idea of consideration for others in the minority.

Much too difficult, just give way to the lobbyists and ban it.

I wonder what will be banned next?

 

[Gillie]

Well for some strange reason, I think that breathing is way down the line ...

 

[little_stork]

as a smoker myself i think the ban is a good idea. Its been in place in Wales for some time. I did read that a group were taking the ban to the court of human rights and also trying to have smoking pubs allowed. What i disagree with is the way they take it further and are now talking about banning smoking whilst driving.. i mean how are they gonna police that one?? The amount of people i still see driving and talking on a mobile phone makes u wonder doesn't it.

 

[Pet Nanny]

As I said previously. This is for health reasons. I just cannot believe that some people are still saying that this law is infringing civil liberty. What about MY rights as a non smoker?

As part of my job, I have to attend some properties where people smoke. It is disgusting. Yellow slime on ceilings, and paintwork, and the smell is sickening.

Nina

 

We all have the right to smoke - period. We do not have the right to force others to inhale our smoke - why is this an issue for some people? Why do we want to have people breathe in our smoke?

Who smokes in a restaurant anyway - it kills the tastebuds.

 

[JustOneUK]

I will be able to enjoy a drink or meal without having smoke blown into my face.

Yeh, I can't wait until you have to take your drink outside too!
Enjoy YOUR drugs.

James (tea total smoker)

 

[Gillie]

Yeh, I can't wait until you have to take your drink outside too!
Enjoy YOUR drugs.

James (tea total smoker)

Oh dear, is that the best argument you can come up with??

Ok, let me explain this in simple terms ... eating and drinking at the same time = acceptable ... eating and smoking at the same time = unsociable.

And don't forget that it is against the law for a pub/restaurant to serve a drunk so you on the whole don't get issues with it whilst eating, so your argument at best is feeble!!

 

This makes me so angry:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1273124,00.html

The likes of Wales have had the ban in for a few months now, they just get on with it!

Smoking ban breaking human rights

 

[simonswords]

I'm an asthma sufferer and ex-smoker (how about that for stupidity?) and the ban doesn't really fuss me either way. Four things do worry me about this campaign though:

1) The government has once again taken a good idea and ruined it. Yet another mountain of bureaucracy and responsibility has been dropped on to small business from a great height when we're already drowning in red tape.

2) What the hell were those packs that it seems all business owners have received? I work in a building built this year, which has a complete non-smoking policy in place. So why on earth has money been wasted manufacturing a pack and sticker set for me?

3) Yet another "right" has been removed. I'm not about to go on an "I have human rights and you can't do this" rant, but I do feel like freedom of choice and the use of common sense is being restricted to some extent. We all know smoking is bad so how about letting us make an educated decision regarding how we wish to behave? This doesn't just apply to smoking; it applies to other matters too.

4) Finally, from a pure business point of view it seems crazy that the owner of any establishment is forced to ban smoking when this might not be something that the majority of his or her customers want. If I ran a private club and the majority of my members wished to have the freedom to smoke, why can't I take measures to ensure that my customers are provided the environment they desire?

Oh and as a P.S, and this has really pissed me off! Why on God's green earth are prisoners serving time at her majesty's pleasure allowed to smoke?!?! More evidence that people who have broken the law have more rights than we do!

 

Oh dear, is that the best argument you can come up with??

Ok, let me explain this in simple terms ... eating and drinking at the same time = acceptable ... eating and smoking at the same time = unsociable.

And don't forget that it is against the law for a pub/restaurant to serve a drunk quote]

They must have served the person for them to be drunk

 

[Gillie]

Dear dear Earl ... they are only allowed to serve the person until they feel they are approaching the state of drunkenness ... and stop being pedantic ... isnt that one of your favourite things to say ie something about B&Q??

 

Dear dear Earl ... they are only allowed to serve the person until they feel they are approaching the state of drunkenness ... and stop being pedantic ... isnt that one of your favourite things to say ie something about B&Q??

Oh the joys of one more for the road


http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_information/html/healthy_living/lifestyle/alcohol/alcohol3.html

P.S all drinkers should be banned from pubs.

In fact is it not time we got rid of pubs on the proven grounds that they damage our health as does smoking

 

[Gillie]

You don't have to go to a pub just go get drunk ... and of course all drinkers should be banned from pubs ... heck why didn't I think of that one?

Get back to clean air Earl and smoking ... stop trying to deflect the argument. The majority of smokers these days are considerate and dont smoke around children or non smokers and dont smoke in restaurants ... its the minority that ruins it for the rest ... educate them and this ban would never have some in place. But a certain section of smokers seem to think its their right to do whatever, whenever they want ... is this because they can't face up to the fact that they know they should stop but can't? So get all defensive.

Whilst this debate has gone on, a health expert, independent of the government, had stated that this ban will save half a million peoples lives ... so all you die hard, selfish sods .. think on ...!!

 

[Optegris]

Want to know whats getting on my nerves?

All the bloody NON-smokers banging on about the ban

I'm going for a fag and a brew....

 

[Dawg]

Want to know whats getting on my nerves?

There might be a lot of smokers with "nerves" today.. (damp too!)
Here is a Camel ad: that'll help:


And for other smokers with nerves:

 

[Pet Nanny]

Sorry James, I do not understand you post! Enjoy my drink? Very strange. If you mean enjoy my drink, when I am driving I drink diet coke, is that classed as a drug?

Nina

 

Sorry James, I do not understand you post! Enjoy my drink? Very strange. If you mean enjoy my drink, when I am driving I drink diet coke, is that classed as a drug?

Nina

It might well be,have you tried dropping a penny in it ,cleans it like new.

it also has certain contraceptive powers


Earl

P.S it is illegal to drink anything whilst driving .

 

[minibus blog]

I just wanted to say as a smoker that I agree with the ban in restaurants and other places were you can eat because when I go out for a meal I don't feel the need to smoke around people who are trying to eat there food next to me.

Can't people just wait until they get outside, i'm sure an hour or so isn't going to hurt as much as it will hurt the people who don't want to be inhaling my smoke.

If there is such a thing i suppose I am a considerate smoker???

Not sure about banning it in pubs which don't serve food as I do enjoy a drink or 2 and could be a bit of a pain going outside especially if you have paid to get into a club and then can't get back in.

Anyway I can't really moan about it as we all know smoking is VERY bad for you and we shouldn't be doing it to ourselves never mind making others breathe it in.

Maybe its time for me to quit?

Michelle

 

[Pet Nanny]

I Honestly feel so sorry for people who smoke. As I said earlier, it was the hardest thing I have ever done, to give up the dreaded weed. They say that x-smokers are always the worse and now I know that to be true.

Nina

 

[postpack]

Well thanks to whoever brought in the smoking ban - If the government are so interested in our health then why not just ban their sale? If I can't buy them in the first place then I can't smoke can I? And they reckon this is going to save thousands of lives a year. Yeah of course it will because those people were going to live forever weren't they!!!

Just think - all those empty pubs with clean air to run around in - except that with all that ingrained smoke in the furnishings that's built up over the years, these places are going to smell lovely! - And all you non smokers out there will be able to sit inside with the old stale fag smoke smells, enjoying the nicotine stained decor while we smokers are standing outside in the fresh air!! Oh the irony.

 

[Gillie]

Oh pathetic ... there speaks yet another smoker who likes throwing toys out of pram .... get over it!! Its here to stay!!

 

[Dawg]

Dear Postpack

If the government are so interested in our health then why not just ban their sale? If I can't buy them in the first place then I can't smoke can I?

I think you should let the government know about this cunning ruse. Who knows, it might also work when dealing with dope, coke, smack etc.
When the Americans tried it with booze in the 1930s it worked dang fine too!

 

[postpack]

Thanks - nice to be told my comments are irrelavant - Don't forget there are always two sides to every argument and that we supposedly live in a democracy - I fully realise the ban is here to stay and I'm not saying it is a bad thing - I also know smoking is bad for you funily enough! - I'm just pointing out a few ironic points - the sad thing is that there are too many people out there who just accept whatever is implemented on them by a higher authority and roll over when they're told to - What will be banned next? Skin colour on the grounds it is offensive to other races - I'm afraid that it is just double standards and hypocracy - Smoking might be bad for me and others that breathe the smoke however I never smoked a packet of fags and went home and beat my wife and kids - Neither did smoking ever prompt me to have casual sex resulting in an std or unwanted pregnancy - yet it is perfectly ok and socially acceptable for people to go out on a Friday or Saturday night and get blind drunk in a non smoking pub - how many people then suffer as a direct result of that when the drunk person, unable to control their actions either damages property, starts fighting, has casual sex or worse drives home and runs someone over - On that basis shouldn't pubs in general be banned as they affect other peoples health? - is that next on the governments' agenda? - Just remember this- if no one speaks out about anything then before we know it we will have surrendered our rights and liberties and freedom of choice on everything.

 

Now I will NOT be happy if they start banning drink or casual sex

Please, please get off the fact that this ban is some sort of infringement on our human rights. It is an infringement of the rights of non-smokers to have them breathe in our smoke. Get outside and have your ciggy, it will do you good and you will smoke less.

 

[Gillie]

Mark ... well I never!!! You rascal you!!

I really don't see how smokers that are being asked not to smoke around non smokers, somehow see it as the start of the end of everything else!!

It aint as if you are being asked to stop smoking full stop ... just be considerate, as some have always been!!

So climb down off your high horse, and get on with more important things than scare mongering. If there are proven health issues that government are lobbyed about, something will be done eventually!

 

Thanks - nice to be told my comments are irrelavant - Don't forget there are always two sides to every argument and that we supposedly live in a democracy - I fully realise the ban is here to stay and I'm not saying it is a bad thing - I also know smoking is bad for you funily enough! - I'm just pointing out a few ironic points - the sad thing is that there are too many people out there who just accept whatever is implemented on them by a higher authority and roll over when they're told to - What will be banned next? Skin colour on the grounds it is offensive to other races - I'm afraid that it is just double standards and hypocracy - Smoking might be bad for me and others that breathe the smoke however I never smoked a packet of fags and went home and beat my wife and kids - Neither did smoking ever prompt me to have casual sex resulting in an std or unwanted pregnancy - yet it is perfectly ok and socially acceptable for people to go out on a Friday or Saturday night and get blind drunk in a non smoking pub - how many people then suffer as a direct result of that when the drunk person, unable to control their actions either damages property, starts fighting, has casual sex or worse drives home and runs someone over - On that basis shouldn't pubs in general be banned as they affect other peoples health? - is that next on the governments' agenda? - Just remember this- if no one speaks out about anything then before we know it we will have surrendered our rights and liberties and freedom of choice on everything.

Too bloody true cobber,city centre's ar full of raving phycopath's at the weekends ,full of mind altering drugs.

attacking police ,ambulance men,firemen,and anyone who takes there fancy,

when did you last see a smoker in court for violent behaviour.

And your right there are two sides to every argument.

mine and the wrong one