Premises... Where to start?!

sallysqueak

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Hi everyone

Just in the process of writing my business plan for my dog daycare centre (some of you may have read my other posts) and I'm currently just researching what my options are realistically in the way of premises.

My initial idea was to rent a warehouse. This would give me a large indoor dry space for the dogs to play and hopefully the warehouse will have a bit of access to the outdoors too for toileting etc. I would estimate the size I would need would be approx 3000-5000 sq ft if possible, to allow for growth and plenty of dogs!

Another idea was to rent some grazing land hopefully with a shelter on site for the dogs in wet weather, but this would no doubt be a huge pain as sending a load of dogs home wet at the end of the day is not really the idea. Plus in the winter they would all be freezing! An ideal thing would be to be able to rent a riding arena (are they called menages or something?) on wet days and it would be good to have use of it on dry days too, but I'm afraid I can't think of anywhere where there even is one round here, let alone one which would allow me to use it 5 days a week from 7am-6pm.

Another idea I had was asking if a local dog training school would rent me their hall, but alas after emailing them and asking them if they would consider it, they just ignored me. I thought this would be a great idea as it would give them an income from their premises where it is currently empty all day (they only train at night).

The issue I have is that firstly, I need to most cost effective premises at all possible (both to set up and to run once established), but I also need to be able to get sui generis planning permission to run such a set up from it. I will also need to obtain a boarding license from the local council in order to run this, even though the dogs won't be housed overnight.

So, does anyone have any bright ideas for cost effective options for me?

I am very new to commercial property, I read somewhere that you have to have a solicitor involved to get a lease set up, is there not a way of doing something a bit more similar to residential letting as in on a monthly basis initially? Does anyone know the costs to get a lease set up, and do i still have to pay 2 months rent in advance on top of this? :| Confused!

Sorry for all the questions, hope someone can enlighten me a bit!
 
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Why don't you ring the dog training school or visit them in person, which is a better way of getting a response.
Also, before you go too much further, discuss with the council if they are likely to accept an application for a doggy daycare and any restrictions they might impose. (Like the noise of dogs barking. disposal of dog waste and other requirements they will have.)
 
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Lucan Unlordly

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You don't say where you are based but there are plenty of up and coming business estates popping up on farms across the country.

3 years ago I was fortunate to move into a unit where I had some input into the specification and finish. Others around me have chosen London office finish or 'flatten the floor, re-glaze the windows and give me the keys' of a simple barn! A similar arrangement could be good for your very specific business?

I'm on an easy in, easy out rental agreement, am surrounded by fields whilst being just half a mile from civilisation and could see a doggy nursery fitting in quite well.

One other thing............a lot of farmers love dogs!!:cool:
 
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sallysqueak

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Why don't you ring the dog training school or visit them in person, which is a better way of getting a response.
Also, before you go too much further, discuss with the council if they are likely to accept an application for a doggy daycare and any restrictions they might impose. (Like the noise of dogs barking. disposal of dog waste and other requirements they will have.)

I've accounted for the possibility of having to have a sound test done and also biffa to remove the waste, should be about £30/month according to another daycare provider I asked a while back.

I could visit the school, might have to do that, I tend to turn into a gibbering nervous wreck when dealing with people face to face though, I always think I sound like a bit of an idiot! (social phobia!) Fine when talking to customers about dogs (these days), but discussing business face to face i'm quite nervous about :eek:
 
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sallysqueak

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The dog training place might have ignored you as they might be renting the premises themselves. (I don't see why they would buy the building only to use it for a few hours at night)

So maybe you could try and find out who they are renting it from.

I never thought of that! Thanks for the tip! How would I find out who they rent it from though, if this is the case? It is a purpose used building plastered with their business details as opposed to a community centre, so I'm not sure whether this is the case, but worth trying :)
 
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sallysqueak

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You don't say where you are based but there are plenty of up and coming business estates popping up on farms across the country.

3 years ago I was fortunate to move into a unit where I had some input into the specification and finish. Others around me have chosen London office finish or 'flatten the floor, re-glaze the windows and give me the keys' of a simple barn! A similar arrangement could be good for your very specific business?

I'm on an easy in, easy out rental agreement, am surrounded by fields whilst being just half a mile from civilisation and could see a doggy nursery fitting in quite well.

One other thing............a lot of farmers love dogs!!:cool:

That sounds interesting, but where would I find any developments like these? I've been looking for farmland to rent etc but I just can't seem to find anything. Someone must know where to look, otherwise nowhere would have anywhere to stick their horse etc!

I even considered buying a really cheap plot of land or a field, I could quite happily live in a static caravan on it even, although I doubt very much it would be as simple as this. Perhaps I could then get some sort of structure built on the field or a pre-used pre-fab unit of some sort for indoor play, but this all sounds very impossible on a low budget and with UK rules and regulations on planning permission etc. :mad:

If I were to find a farmer with a barn he could rent out to me, how would I do this? Is there a place on the internet to search them out? I literally wouldn't know where to start looking although renting a barn does sound like a good cheap option.

One more thing, I know there is rightmove for residential properties, but there seems to be next to nothing on there in the way of commercial properties. Is there a similar website which commercial landlords tend to use? I'm based in Nottingham btw.

Thanks for your help!
 
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antoine82

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You NEED to get a sollicitor for any commercial leases which are much more complicated then residential leases. It is all about the small prints.

Of course it has a cost (according to the complexity of the lease, your sollicitor ant the place tje shop is located, it may be between £1000 and £5000).

As for the deposit, it is all about negociation. if you a are a newly formed company, they might be more regarding. It also depends if the property has been empty for a long time. If yes the landlord might be desperate to rent it and will agree a huge discount on the rent and give you a nice rent free period (usually between 1 and 9 months).

Rents are usually paid quaterly in advance but again everything is negociable!
 
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Hi Sally
Have you ever worked with dogs before? If not get some experience first by helping out at the dog training centre you mentioned. Each type of dog will need different amounts of exercise & care to deal with the insecurities they picked up from their owners. Dogs, just like humans will hide their insecurities with either bulling other dogs / humans or hiding away.
"Do not spend too much time on creating a business plan as banks will not lend to high risk startups (95% fail) and Angel investors are only interested once the project is proven so any finance comes from family friends or fools" - an ex Dragon
It is natural to feel strange when you do things that you have not done before because by definition they are outside of your comfort zone until you have done them in your head. How would you be if you knew there is no difference in your mind between fear & excitement? Or if you knew the universe was here to support the expansion of the experience of life?
 
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Have you thought of working from home first before you invest heavily?

Might be best to build up a small client base first and once you have some happy clients willing to pay for the service then you can look for a premises.

Keep costs low to keep profits high :)
 
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Lucan Unlordly

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If I were to find a farmer with a barn he could rent out to me, how would I do this? Is there a place on the internet to search them out? I literally wouldn't know where to start looking although renting a barn does sound like a good cheap option.

Phone a Farmer!

Find a number in the directory and ask...

'I wonder if you can help me. I'm looking for some commercial premises on farmland in your area and am struggling to find a letting agent who may be able to point me in the right direction..'

Beware...strange breed farmers. Some are as good as gold. Others are how you say...........blighters.:D...

Phone about 11.30 at night as most of them get a lie in anyway...:D;)
 
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