Best online portal to sell a business?

Sherlock Homeless

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Well, after having tried my luck with a large national company, that shall remain nameless, to sell my business I've kicked them into touch and decided to do it myself. I now turn to you and ask, which online portal is the best (ie. in terms of maximum exposure/hits) or what is the best way of marketing a business for sale without the use of an agent?

I've noticed that these folks will tell you whatever it is you wish to hear, value a business at nowhere near what can be obtained via a mortgage, take your money and then put your business on their website and that's it :mad:

A good business for them but not good business for me, so what do you say?
 
Daltons? There's one other that's worthwhile, but I can't remember the name! At the top of a Google search will come a load of rubbish, but if you search for "business for sale" you will find Daltons and t'other one.

Pretend you were a BUYER and find the site that gave you as BUYER the best experience - that's the one to be a seller on.
 
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My advice would be to simply choose the right agent to sell your business not all agents are like this national company - RTA?

The problem you have is that you will not be advertising your business in any other place than an agent would advertise, but you will be paying 100 times more for that advertising than the agent does.

Alternatively, if you are interested we have a PAYG service, no commission which might be of interest to you.

We will advertise your business having marketed it professionally and it will cost you less than it would for you to advertise it yourself on these websites.
 
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businessesforsale.com is by far the best online portal for selling your business. Daltons Business has nowhere near the visitor numbers.

You will find that most "agents" will take a lot of money for sticking your business on businessesforsale.com and get exactly the same outcome from the same enquirers.

One word of advice; have a barrier in between your business and the enquirer to filter out dreamers. We've used an NDA to be signed and returned, or some scanned proof of ID... you'll find that the majority of wishful thinkers will not bother with the effort.
 
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Well, after having tried my luck with a large national company, that shall remain nameless, to sell my business I've kicked them into touch and decided to do it myself. I now turn to you and ask, which online portal is the best (ie. in terms of maximum exposure/hits) or what is the best way of marketing a business for sale without the use of an agent?

I've noticed that these folks will tell you whatever it is you wish to hear, value a business at nowhere near what can be obtained via a mortgage, take your money and then put your business on their website and that's it :mad:

A good business for them but not good business for me, so what do you say?

After having a similar experience to you when selling my business, I decided to sell it myself.
1.I put together a PDF giving an overview of the business with some basic financials in it, name of accountant and my contact details.
2. Placed a small advert- cost £120+Vat - in the Sunday Times, initial contact details were my accountants email address.
3. Placed a similare advert - cost £99+Vat- on businessforsale.com and I was able to upload the sale/info PDF up to the site so that potential purchasers could download it.
4.Put together a sales pack listing everything that was for sale,accounts and a set of management accounts - more info than the 'sale PDF'

Once the enquires came through the accountant I would call the potential purchasers and qualify them i.e. 'do you have the funds to buy the company?' 'do you have the liquid funds or do need to raise finance?', 'what is your current business?'.

The potential purchasers that came through businessforsale.com went through the same process as above.

This process got rid of the 'tyre kickers'. Those that had liquid funds went in one pile and those that needed to raise finance, went into another pile.Both however got the same level of attention.

After the potential purchasers had received the second info pack an appointment would be set up for them to visit the offices and they could view the actual documentation, meet me and the staff.At this stage I would then qualify them again re their funds.

At no time did I take the business of the market.The only way I would have done so would have been if a potential purchaser had put down a non-refundable deposit=10%.One eventually did, and did the deal but this whole process took eight months and saved me thousands by not using an agent.
 
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At no time did I take the business of the market.The only way I would have done so would have been if a potential purchaser had put down a non-refundable deposit=10%.One eventually did, and did the deal but this whole process took eight months and saved me thousands by not using an agent.

That's a great post and it's good to hear from someone else who has gone through the process.

The most striking point is the time it took; there is a direct correlation between the asking price of the business and length of time needed to complete a sale.
 
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That's a great post and it's good to hear from someone else who has gone through the process.

The most striking point is the time it took; there is a direct correlation between the asking price of the business and length of time needed to complete a sale.

Thanks Dave and I agree about the correlation between price and the time it takes to sell a business.

In my case there was a two month gap whilst the eventual buyer went into hospital and he used this to 'chip' on the price:)

The initial price I used was one arrived at by the agent I had engaged but the actual final sale price was much lower, and I didn't sell the entity that was the LTD but some of the assets.

I never used an NDA as I didn't see much use for them, and I still don't.
As with most businesses there is certain sensitive information that has to be divulged at some stage, but if divulged too early could enable a potential purchaser to stop being a potential purchaser and to set up in competition.

When I knew the potential purchasers were serious I would get an MOU signed and witnessed by their solicitor, and then the sensitive information could be divulged.Signing the MOU also endorsed the potential purchasers commitment to the deal.

The Sunday Times ad ran for three weeks and was also ran in the business for sale section in Tuesdays edition of the Times.

If an agent had sold the business it would have cost me £13k+ in commission to an agent. It cost me circa £2K, adverts, accountant and solicitors fee's.

After doing all this I often thought of helping people sell their business using the above method for a set fee, but with a few more 'business for sale' marketing tactics added.I would put in place all the adverts, pdf's etc and act as a gatekeeper so the seller can concentrate on running their business until the sale.
 
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Thanks for the advice folks cheers, I'd looked at Daltons but they didn't seem to be as great as they used to be back in the days given this new online assault by raging upstarts like bfs etc..

@Psi - Great work detective, that's exactly what I was looking for and along the lines that I was thinking. What made you go with the Sunday Times?

See, my situation is fairly unique in the sense that I set up something that looks like a retail operation but was used for an entirely different purpose and as such has been grossly underdeveloped in terms of it's fiscal potential. It makes pricing it a bit of a doozy as the banks only seem to lend based on balance sheets.

In the mean time, I've had a bricks and mortar valuation done and I'll be basing my sale price on that and not the guff the agent was spouting.
 
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I assume you did not undersell the business!

As you stated there is a direct relationship between price and time to sell normally if you sell something for less than it is worth it is easy to sell. You are not selling it though you are giving it away.

I have no doubt that you would tell the world that you sold it for the optimum price, my guess is that you dont want to admit that you "saved" £10k on agents fees only to knock that and more off the selling price. You under sold it by how much £20k?

Within your analysis you also ignored the time it took you put together the sales pack, organise the advertising, your time with the accountant, vetting the interested parties, interview the interested parties, negotiate etc

There was probably also additional solicitors fees as they probably had a lot more questions about the sale than they would have done if a professional agent had prepared the head terms.

What was your effective hourly rate? £80 an hour perhaps, add this to the cost of selling your business to work out the true cost to you of selling.

In fact you probably dont want to admit that you could have made more money by selling it via an agent. No doubt you will tell me that I am wrong, however if you had used a good agent, they would have covered their cost times two and made you significantly more money.
 
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Thanks for the advice folks cheers, I'd looked at Daltons but they didn't seem to be as great as they used to be back in the days given this new online assault by raging upstarts like bfs etc..

@Psi - Great work detective, that's exactly what I was looking for and along the lines that I was thinking. What made you go with the Sunday Times?

See, my situation is fairly unique in the sense that I set up something that looks like a retail operation but was used for an entirely different purpose and as such has been grossly underdeveloped in terms of it's fiscal potential. It makes pricing it a bit of a doozy as the banks only seem to lend based on balance sheets.

In the mean time, I've had a bricks and mortar valuation done and I'll be basing my sale price on that and not the guff the agent was spouting.

I chose the ST purely because I read it and the quality and majority of enquiries were from serious people, straight talkers and no B/S.
Businessforsael.com generated a good few enquires form foreign business people but a lot of UK 'tyre-kickers' but still worth it.

To me banks are there to process the revenue from my business and nothing else, so I don't put much faith in what they say or their valuations of anything outside of the cost of banking.

Good move getting your own valuation done:)

Have you done any projections for the business if you were to keep it, say one,two and three years? That will help you arrive at a starting sales price.It should also help with the sales negotiations as well.
 
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Well, after having tried my luck with a large national company, that shall remain nameless, to sell my business I've kicked them into touch and decided to do it myself. I now turn to you and ask, which online portal is the best (ie. in terms of maximum exposure/hits) or what is the best way of marketing a business for sale without the use of an agent?

I've noticed that these folks will tell you whatever it is you wish to hear, value a business at nowhere near what can be obtained via a mortgage, take your money and then put your business on their website and that's it :mad:

A good business for them but not good business for me, so what do you say?

Interesting thread. If you want to PM me or call I'm happy to give you the benefit of my experience, FOC and no obligation.

Another website to try is rightbiz.

Avoid the national listings agencies, they're clueless and ineffective
 
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I assume you did not undersell the business!

As you stated there is a direct relationship between price and time to sell normally if you sell something for less than it is worth it is easy to sell. You are not selling it though you are giving it away.

I have no doubt that you would tell the world that you sold it for the optimum price, my guess is that you dont want to admit that you "saved" £10k on agents fees only to knock that and more off the selling price. You under sold it by how much £20k?

Within your analysis you also ignored the time it took you put together the sales pack, organise the advertising, your time with the accountant, vetting the interested parties, interview the interested parties, negotiate etc

There was probably also additional solicitors fees as they probably had a lot more questions about the sale than they would have done if a professional agent had prepared the head terms.

What was your effective hourly rate? £80 an hour perhaps, add this to the cost of selling your business to work out the true cost to you of selling.

In fact you probably dont want to admit that you could have made more money by selling it via an agent. No doubt you will tell me that I am wrong, however if you had used a good agent, they would have covered their cost times two and made you significantly more money.

You make some good points there from an agents point of view!

I sold the assets of the business for 10x's more than entity originally cost me, and I had taken healthy dividends out of the business over a number of years. So to me it was a good deal and it was a good deal for the buyer, that is the important thing.

The discount on the sale price didn't bother me as I knew I would make a tidy profit if I sold at a certain price, which I achieved.

The time it took to prepare the packs, meetings etc was never really factored into the initial costs because most of these costs was covered by the return on my investment, as far as I was concerned.
And it didn't take that long putting together a sales pdf - an hour and a half.
Placing the ads - half an hour.
Meetings with potential purchasers - couple of hours at a time = 10 hours. Time spent on the phone = 36 hours. All this over a couple of months, so it didn't impact on the running of the business.
MOU = £250, plus a further £400 for my solicitor to look over the sale contracts when the buyer had their solicitor draw them up, based on the MOU.
Cost of having the initial contact emails sent to the accountant then sent to me = nil.
Cost of management accounts = £100.
ST advert = £360+Vat.
BFS advert = £99+ Vat.

The price achieved from selling the business via an agent may well have been a higher price than I achieved, but then it would have been as the agents commission is directly linked to the sale price- agents commission=%of sale price.

This paragraph is typical of agents;
There was probably also additional solicitors fees as they probably had a lot more questions about the sale than they would have done if a professional agent had prepared the head terms.
There wasn't in my case, and how many more questions can be asked if all the information is laid out to the buyer at the MOU stage and prior to solicitors getting involved?

In my opinion there is no one better to placed to answer questions on the business that is for sale than the business owner and the person that runs it day-to-day.An agent certainly cannot answer all the questions that are asked because they simply do not know the answers.

My experience of agents is based on these facts;
1. Agent 1:"We have 300+ business buyers on our books actively looking for businesses to buy."
Me:"Ok then why in six months did I not get one interested party based on your guide selling price and marketing efforts?" The answer I got was nonsense.
2. Agent 2: "We advertise your business in all the broad sheets and on our websites."
Me:"OK, you put my business in with hundreds of others? Can I have my own dedicated advert?"
Agent 2:"Yes but it will cost you x!"

I am not hear to bash agents because I do believe that they provide a service for business sellers that don't want to or can't sell their businesses themselves.

Did I undersell the business? No I sold the assets in a deal that suited both me and the buyer, and at a price that I was prepared to sell at, and a price that the buyer was prepared to pay, and that in my book is a good deal.
 
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Well, after having tried my luck with a large national company, that shall remain nameless, to sell my business I've kicked them into touch and decided to do it myself. I now turn to you and ask, which online portal is the best (ie. in terms of maximum exposure/hits) or what is the best way of marketing a business for sale without the use of an agent?

I've noticed that these folks will tell you whatever it is you wish to hear, value a business at nowhere near what can be obtained via a mortgage, take your money and then put your business on their website and that's it :mad:

A good business for them but not good business for me, so what do you say?

Have you also thought about approaching other businesses in your sector that may be interested in buying your business?
 
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Thanks for the advice folks cheers, I'd looked at Daltons but they didn't seem to be as great as they used to be back in the days.

Daltons Business is being visited by more buyers - and producing more enquiries for sellers - than it has ever done in its long history. We listen carefully to all buyer feedback, and we are the UK's largest business for sale marketplace. What gave you the impression that we are not as great as we used to be? We welcome any suggestions you might have on how we could improve.

Please feel free to call us or take a look at some of the statistics on our website for evidence of how we can help you to sell your business.
 
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