online P11D return Warning

[wood1e2]

Hello,

Thought I would let people know, just in case they have been as stupid as me!!

When using HMRC online P11D return, make sure you do not submit until you have completed all your empoyees P11Ds

As the online solution unlike the paper version returns all employees in a 'batch' and the returns once submitted are not editable!!!!

Apparantly this was recently introduced based on customer feedback...when did we all become customers of HMRC??!!!

So whoever suggested that, go get a coffee and don't come back!!!

 

[elaine@cheapaccounting]

Good advice for next year when they are due again before July

 

[wood1e2]

Yes will try harder on that front.

oh and if anyone submits a P11D without it being fully completed, then the asnwer is you have to write a letter to HMRC with a paper P11d.

So I suppose the obvious solution, stick to paper until the HMRC stormtroopers put your thumbs in a vice and force you online!!!

And don't get me started on P35 being editable, and HMRCs website not being updated if you use 3rd party Payroll Software for your annual return!!!!

HMRC really know how to waste money!!!

 

[elaine@cheapaccounting]

HMRC really know how to waste money!!!

HMRC really know how to waste OUR money!!!

 

[Tom McClelland]

And don't get me started on P35 being editable, and HMRCs website not being updated if you use 3rd party Payroll Software for your annual return!!!!

Yes, by what "logic" are those two different systems? So there is no mechanism for easily altering a P35 that was filed using 3rd party software. If the 3rd party filing was visible online that would make it easy for employers to make adjustments if they realise that they made a mistake (eg left someone out, or included a payment that never actually got made)

Nor is there any mechanism for refiling a complete P35/P14 set that had errors in it. HMRC *does* offer a mechanism for amending a P35/P14 set that had errors using 3rd party software, but the specification for doing that is akin to fighting a cornered velociraptor so most software developers (including us, I regret) don't even try.

A few times a year we get clients who file P35/P14 then realise that they made a mistake and they'd like to file again. HMRC always claims in this case that once you've done that it is totally impossible to remove the filed P35/P14 from the back end. I always ponder what would happen if a bureau or agent accidentally filed a one man company using eg the tax office/reference of Tesco (eg by transposing a digit) before Tesco got their own filing in? You've got to assume that in such a case HMRC would suddenly discover that it *is* actually possible to remove an incorrect filing.

 

[Truemanbrown]

Yes, by what "logic" are those two different systems? So there is no mechanism for easily altering a P35 that was filed using 3rd party software. If the 3rd party filing was visible online that would make it easy for employers to make adjustments if they realise that they made a mistake (eg left someone out, or included a payment that never actually got made)

Nor is there any mechanism for refiling a complete P35/P14 set that had errors in it. HMRC *does* offer a mechanism for amending a P35/P14 set that had errors using 3rd party software, but the specification for doing that is akin to fighting a cornered velociraptor so most software developers (including us, I regret) don't even try.

A few times a year we get clients who file P35/P14 then realise that they made a mistake and they'd like to file again. HMRC always claims in this case that once you've done that it is totally impossible to remove the filed P35/P14 from the back end. I always ponder what would happen if a bureau or agent accidentally filed a one man company using eg the tax office/reference of Tesco (eg by transposing a digit) before Tesco got their own filing in? You've got to assume that in such a case HMRC would suddenly discover that it *is* actually possible to remove an incorrect filing.

That happened to a client of mine a couple of years ago. He was notified four months later that he was being fined £400 because they would not accept the original filing with the wrong reference number.

 

[Tom McClelland]

That happened to a client of mine a couple of years ago. He was notified four months later that he was being fined £400 because they would not accept the original filing with the wrong reference number.

And the PAYE reference number used must have been a real one, because their system does validate that the reference exists and hasn't been filed yet. So someone else probably tried to file later, and got told that they'd already filed!